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Wolf777 said:
Can we stop bringing up a school that was loaded with 4 and 5 star talent at every position as the example?

I enjoy the chaos of the 3-3-5 and when we had the right pieces at NT, CB, DE and S with a solid LB crew it was fun to watch especially with Bradfords tweaks to Baers chaos. It destroyed lesser teams but always had problems against the few elite programs. Unfortunately the speed and execution is much less in ‘24 and ‘25 than what it was previously.

The biggest problem against big valley teams or MSU is that you have so much pressure on the second level that it is easy to get creased with good OL moving up to the second level and it always seems to have an issue with backside contain due to how you have to flow. It happens over and over again and the stats in those games against the elites prove that.

We get better dudes than most other programs we compete against, so let’s let them be dudes, cover gaps and force teams to beat the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s.

If the stubbornness to stick with the 3-3-5 remains then we need some athletic beef along the defensive line. I’m tired of watching 245 lb DE and 260-280 lb tackles get moved 2-3 yards off the ball when we need a stop. Watch that final drive from the brawl 1.0 this year over and over. If you can stomach that for 60 minutes at a time you don’t know what you’re watching.
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I mean, we could stop bringing them up, but I'd still say they are a fair example. ;) Yes, they had major studs, but their coaches still deemed that their best chance to win and the 3-3-5 was notably built for teams that DIDN'T always have the best recruits.

Even if we knock them out, though, ISU just utilized it to do everything needed to get a win. In the recent history of the Griz, the 3-3-5 has definitely shut down a Touchdown Tommy led MSU and NDSU and SDSU in the playoffs. If every team running the 3-3-5 was failing, I would agree with you. But 2 of the top 3 teams in the FCS this year ran the 3-3-5. So it actually is a defensed used by the "elite" and to beat the "elite." ISU knocked off the vaunted NDSU team ranked #1, don't forget.

With that said, I would agree with you in your second part. Either way, the Griz need more strength up front. I agree with that, and they could use just more overall size to them, too. But I don't think that has anything to do with a 3 or 4 man front.

Either way, hope you are well buddy.
 
Wolf777 said:
I don’t think we even try to get guys up front when I see several better D lines just looking around the Big Sky.
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Our best defensive lineman this season was a first year transfer from NAIA. What does that say about the Griz strength program and development of players on the defensive line?
 
5280Griz said:
Our best defensive lineman this season was a first year transfer from NAIA. What does that say about the Griz strength program and development of players on the defensive
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Just add that to the list of things Hauck isn't good at or refuses to change. I know for a fact the precident placed on weight is drastically out of line with other programs.

I've been there done that.
 
MartyParty said:
Just add that to the list of things Hauck isn't good at or refuses to change. I know for a fact the precident placed on weight is drastically out of line with other programs.

I've been there done that.
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I think it is pretty clear that we need more weight up front to be a championship program. I was hearing the same thing from Bob Stitt 10 years ago when he was explaining why NDSU beat UM so badly in the playoffs. UM simply couldn’t matchup in the trenches.
 
DayLaw said:
It says they transferred out.
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How many defensive lineman have transferred out the last 3 seasons? I don’t know and that could be a good explanation. If that is the case, is there a reason why they are transferring out? What about the guys who spend a year or 2 as depth players? Are those guys transferring out or not playing because someone new transfers in and starts over them? I don’t know the answers to these but it would be good to know.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
I mean, we could stop bringing them up, but I'd still say they are a fair example. ;) Yes, they had major studs, but their coaches still deemed that their best chance to win and the 3-3-5 was notably built for teams that DIDN'T always have the best recruits.

Even if we knock them out, though, ISU just utilized it to do everything needed to get a win. In the recent history of the Griz, the 3-3-5 has definitely shut down a Touchdown Tommy led MSU and NDSU and SDSU in the playoffs. If every team running the 3-3-5 was failing, I would agree with you. But 2 of the top 3 teams in the FCS this year ran the 3-3-5. So it actually is a defensed used by the "elite" and to beat the "elite." ISU knocked off the vaunted NDSU team ranked #1, don't forget.

With that said, I would agree with you in your second part. Either way, the Griz need more strength up front. I agree with that, and they could use just more overall size to them, too. But I don't think that has anything to do with a 3 or 4 man front.

Either way, hope you are well buddy.
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You too. It’s going to be a long damn offseason.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I can.
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Oh really?

What is Bobby's record against the cats since his return?

How many championship games have the Griz been to since Bobby's return?

How many big sky championships have they won since Bobby's return?

How many national championships has Bobby won since his return?

The best predictor of future behavior/success is past performance, and it ain't looking so good.

But keep on being happy with the status quo.

And before you start throwing all kinds of other "facts" at me, please keep in mind that we are ONLY discussing whether the Griz will be good enough to beat the cats on a regular basis and win championships. That's it.
 
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Da Boyz Mom said:
Oh really?

What is Bobby's record against the cats since his return?

How many championship games have the Griz been to since Bobby's return?

How many big sky championships have they won since Bobby's return?

How many national championships has Bobby won since his return?

The best predictor of future behavior/success is past performance, and it ain't looking so good.

But keep on being happy with the status quo.

And before you start throwing all kinds of other "facts" at me, please keep in mind that we are ONLY discussing whether the Griz will be good enough to beat the cats on a regular basis and win championships. That's it.
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Mom…just be ready for him to hoops to argue that Bobby has returned the program to dominance. I keep asking what the Griz are dominating and he keeps hiding.
 
AnotherGrizFan said:
Mom…just be ready for him to hoops to argue that Bobby has returned the program to dominance. I keep asking what the Griz are dominating and he keeps hiding.
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Hauck has returned UM to dominance, pretty close to where it was when he was at UM last time. UM will likely be the no. 3 ranked team in the nation for this season. Beat SDSU, who beat the Cats this season, and beat 4 MV teams. Dominance doesn't mean winning the championship ever year. NDSU came close to that. UM has never done that, so that's not what RTD means. I don't hide from anything and never have. But I know more about football and Griz football than you do. You are clueless. Almost everyone on egriz knows that.
 
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