Rachac tweets Jordan Johnson is expelled

[billings_poke]

I doubt it. The only assholes on this board are the ones who would rather destroy our bill of rights.

so the right to stay in college or belong to an organization, regardless of their codes of conduct, is written in the bill of rights in the US constitution?

good to know

 

[Tokyogriz]

Please cite the reason for Jordan Johnson to be expelled from the University of Montana due to its written student code of conduct.

Oh you cant can you?

 

[grizpaws]

Actually, he does have a constitutional right to due process. The University is a state institution and can't simply take away his scholarship or boot him without providing him due process. The U is not a private institution.

 

[grizindabox]

Please site the reason for Jordan Johnson to be expelled from the University of Montana due to its written student code of conduct.

Oh you cant can you?

Tokyo, where is your evidence that JJ did nothing that would be grounds for expulsion from the University? I would be fairly confident that the University would not kick him out without probable cause and the facts to back it up.

 

[Tokyogriz]

Oh good point. I forgot the actual case here is any man accused of rape at the university of montana is in fact guilty until PROVEN innocent and will be dealt with by our university accordingly.

 

[grizindabox]

Oh good point. I forgot the actual case here is any man accused of rape at the university of montana is in fact guilty until PROVEN innocent and will be dealt with by our university accordingly.

Now you are making the assumption as to why JJ is being expelled. I also think you should look as the Code of Student Conduct...it uses the word alleged quite a few times.

Little excerpt for you:
"Generally, The University of Montana jurisdiction is limited to conduct occurring on University premises or at University-sponsored activities. In exceptional circumstances, University jurisdiction may be asserted when a student or University employee complains of off-campus acts of a student that allegedly constitute a criminal offense under Montana or Federal criminal law and which directly and seriously threaten the health and safety of members of the campus community."

 

[mtgrizrule]

Granted lying is not a criminal offense (when not in a court setting), but out of curiosity, how do they constitute and address someone if they are lying about an alleged crime? I have no idea how many of the accused are guilty, or not, but am confident, not every one of them raped someone. Seriously, what are the repercussions if someone is found to be lying about a crime?

Something needs to be constituted to cover that. If for anything to reduce the number of cases that costs time, money, effort, and resources. As is, there is no reason for a jaded woman to not mess with a guy that burns/hurts her emotionally. Let's say a guy breaks up with a girl, or fools around with another girl, 1 or both girls, are hurt, and to get even they play the rape or some kind of sexual related card, and makes up a lie. There is has to be some protection to help minimize the number of cases being brought up.

 

[Sportin' Life]

Kaimin has tweeted that Johnson is out.


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[FCS Go!]

mtgrizrule,

Making a false statement to the police is illegal everywhere. Whether someone gets prosecuted for it probably comes down to the local prosecutor and what they think is a valuable use of their time- just like for any other crime.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Lady Fan is right on, and this thread needs her level-headed perspective. Nonetheless, Engstrom and the Board of Regents may face a tough dilemma here in reviewing any proposed expulsion. If JJ refused to talk based on his right against self-incrimination and the fact he may face criminal charges, then it would not be fair to expel him until the criminal process runs its course. This is very serious for all involved, and we need to take a deep breath.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

**mod edit**

No, I'm not going to let this post fly.

Sincerely,
MrT

Of course and you have to protect the ambulance chaser. Please let me know the FIRST time you ever edit one of his attack posts......I would love to be there when history happens.

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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I doubt it. The only assholes on this board are the ones who would rather destroy our bill of rights.

so the right to stay in college or belong to an organization, regardless of their codes of conduct, is written in the bill of rights in the US constitution?

good to know

Jokyo cant separate the difference.......and I am pretty sure Engstrom is to blame for jokyos ignorance.

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[moose/squirrel]

I know it will never happen but we could field wrestling, baseball and hockey and be competitive at the highest levels of collegiate athletics in all three within a few short year

Not sure why this stuff hasn't happened yet.. they would be terrific UM sports. Baseball would be dicey since the weather in the spring sucks here, but the other two would be very successful.

Agree to an extent, mostly about wrestling, we had a program and have had a lot of great wrestlers over the years go out of state and be successful. Forget D1 baseball, lots of dollars to spend 2/3rds of a season playing in Arizona and Cali. Hockey not so much either at least at the D1 level. There aren't that many D1 hockey programs and I think Denver and Colorado College are the only 2 west of Grand Forks, ND.

As a youth hockey player in Minnnesota decades ago I love that it is growing here, it's a great sport. Too bad we are 30 years behind even North Dakota high school wise. Even now ND produces few D1 players, UND in the past was stocked pretty exclusively by Canadians though more guys from the midwest are now on the roster. The Missoula kids on the Maulers would have a hard time even making a top Minnesota high school squad. Baby steps for sure, maybe in 30 years...

 

[mtgrizrule]

mtgrizrule,

Making a false statement to the police is illegal everywhere. Whether someone gets prosecuted for it probably comes down to the local prosecutor and what they think is a valuable use of their time- just like for any other crime.

Let me rephrase that, making a false statement to whoever this board is, that determines the penalty. Sorry, I should have thought that one out better. :thumb:

 

[Herd]

You all should read the code of conduct and the level of proof required. The "court" is nothing of the sort. It is all stacked in favor of the accuser and not the accussed. There is no due process for any student alleged to have committed an off campus sexual offense. The standard of proof is the lowest legal standard allowed. Rules of evidence do not apply. So this means nothing in terms of the merits against any student as to whether that student actually legally committed the alleged offense. People ought to be talking about the injustice of being expelled over an alleged offense you will never be charged with because there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, much less proof by clear and convincing evidence. Nope, all the "court" as some may call it, considers in an off campus sexual offense is proof by a preponderance of the evidence. This in an injustice for all students and I am ashamed that in our system of justice, administrative rules tied to financing are allowed to ruin students lives who are viewed under the Constitution as innocent. This goes beyond football and while you all are on e-Griz day and night you are slowly losing all of your rights. That is the real story here. I hope the news is not true, but if it is it means nothing in terms of truth.

Need I remind you that being afforded the opportunity to play college football on a full ride scholarship for the simple requirement to work hard and be a descent citizen is not too much to ask for any student athlete. The mere allogations of improprienty should be enough to remove this player from any athletic endeavor at UM. The fact that some of you think a conviction is needed before a kid could be removed from a sports team or even the university is propsterous. Some of you really need to be examining your moral compass. The "standard of proof"? Wow

 

[JBS]

You all should read the code of conduct and the level of proof required. The "court" is nothing of the sort. It is all stacked in favor of the accuser and not the accussed. There is no due process for any student alleged to have committed an off campus sexual offense. The standard of proof is the lowest legal standard allowed. Rules of evidence do not apply. So this means nothing in terms of the merits against any student as to whether that student actually legally committed the alleged offense. People ought to be talking about the injustice of being expelled over an alleged offense you will never be charged with because there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, much less proof by clear and convincing evidence. Nope, all the "court" as some may call it, considers in an off campus sexual offense is proof by a preponderance of the evidence. This in an injustice for all students and I am ashamed that in our system of justice, administrative rules tied to financing are allowed to ruin students lives who are viewed under the Constitution as innocent. This goes beyond football and while you all are on e-Griz day and night you are slowly losing all of your rights. That is the real story here. I hope the news is not true, but if it is it means nothing in terms of truth.

Need I remind you that being afforded the opportunity to play college football on a full ride scholarship for the simple requirement to work hard and be a descent citizen is not too much to ask for any student athlete. The mere allogations of improprienty should be enough to remove this player from any athletic endeavor at UM. The fact that some of you think a conviction is needed before a kid could be removed from a sports team or even the university is propsterous. Some of you really need to be examining your moral compass. The "standard of proof"? Wow

If this is the case, I,m going to start work on inventing entire new offensive and defensive schemes, both of them called the "blanket accusation formation". Accuse all players of rape, all are removed from the team, and I win by forfeit every week. Sound stupid to you? No stupider than what you wrote.

 

[tnt]

I would think that if a player (or any man) neve put himself in position where the accusations could be made, it wouldn't be a problem even if the false ones came, there would be little question of his innocence. I realize the cocept of "high moral character" not including casual or party sex is a bit out of style, but it seems those who abide by it don't have many problems with accusations real or false. . .

 

[GrizPony]

So straight to class, practice and home every night. Sounds like a reasonable college experience. Similar to yours?

 

[Cats2506]

So straight to class, practice and home every night. Sounds like a reasonable college experience. Similar to yours?

You forgot putting in a little time for Bible Study :shock:

 

[MTOutsider]

There was an earlier thread that said JJ and 6 or 7 others gone, the JJ parts seems to be true. When is the bleeding going to stop?