QB Situation

[mtgrizrule]

Scholarships are one year contracts, and can be terminated by either party. What I don't know is, when does that 1 year contract start? I would think, it is pretty late in the summer, for either party to terminate it now.

Anyone know when the Montana athletics scholarships start every year? My guess would be Mid June to early July.

 

[Growler1]

I'm holding hope JJ will be our QB because he is the best we've got, however if not coach Rosenbach has stated that there are various sets of the offense both Shay and Trent can run - we may see a dual QB situation based on the scenario to start the season.

There's also talk of a drop-down that is just waiting for the call.

We'll see.

The drop-down thing is for sure. I broke it first on maroonblood days ago.

 

[PlayerRep]

All nice words and further proof you live in a vacuum. But still no injunction, just an open window for a legal challenge. Problem is by the time all the paper work is done counter briefs etc, so will the the season. There is reason for lawyers to be the butt of so many jokes.

So what has been accomplished so far? Some beautiful words for a bunch of lawyers to pound their chests with. JJ is still where he was before the only difference now is that what was once a pretty private situation is now very public. He has been far more victimized by his supporters than the system at this point.


Further legal challenges will have far more involved than a football player. Including the whole "system from from Title IX, the DOJ interpretation DOE interprutation will have to be considered before The U of M's use or misuse can be determined. To even get to JJ a whole bunch of case will have to be won. I'm not sure even you PR even if you had the expertise, would have the time or money to move forward.
Even Christiansen if he were to issue a restraining order against the expulsion would be hesitent to Pupuapossible rapist back in school should they choose to suspend him while the whole process is repeated.

Tro's can be issued quickly. The federal judge ruled in about 2 days on Paoli's request to stop the university hearing in May, I believe. Courts don't decide cases in the order that they are filed. Requests for tro's and preliminary injunctions are reviewed quickly. None of the other Missoula legal stuff needs to be decided or ended prior to a ruling on a tro/preliminary injunction. Again, I'm guessing any new filing goes to state court.

Even for you, TNT, your post had a huge amount of mistakes, untruths and BS--and you've set the standard for that pretty high already.

 

[tnt]

Your smoke screen is pretty thick but easily seen through. You are still looking for TRO to make everthing okay. You have a federal civil rights case and a state torts case. Should be interesting indeed. It certainly should force everyones hand. Whose court do you think they have the best chance of getting to stop action against someone found guilty of sexual assault while waiting to be retried?

 

[PlayerRep]

Your smoke screen is pretty thick but easily seen through. You are still looking for TRO to make everthing okay. You have a federal civil rights case and a state torts case. Should be interesting indeed. It certainly should force everyones hand. Whose court do you think they have the best chance of getting to stop action against someone found guilty of sexual assault while waiting to be retried?

Generally, constitutional cases can be brought in federal or state court, and tort cases can be brought in federal or state court. However, there are certain types of cases that can be brought in only a particular court. I don't understand your last sentence. If a court believes a plaintiff will likely win his case and will be irreparably damaged, and there is jurisdiction, a court will generally grant a tro/preliminary injunction. If those things were true in this situation, the court could order the plaintiff reinstated immediately in all respects, and the university to start over with a fair process using the higher clear and convincing standard. Not saying this will happen, just a fighting or reasonable chance. My view is that the opinion of the federal judge, or parts of it, will be helpful in any future litigation. Any future case will prominently cite the judge's view of the university's bad process.

 

[NzoneGrizFan]

Here's my take for what it's worth.

Kevin McRae recently said that JJ is still enrolled in school and still on the roster. Mr. McRae knows what Due Process and Just Cause are all about. For him to state these things publicly tells me the Commissioner of Higher Ed.'s position on this is to not impact (removing from school and/or football team) the accused (JJ) until there is ample evidence that the University can defend that action.

I also believe why we aren't hearing anything from the University is because they are taking his advice to see how some of these other investigations shake out. Again, this gets back to making sure there is ample evidence. Even if we had a permanent AD in place, we'd still be getting the same thing.

So, all that being said, barring no new evidence, or conclusions from these outside investigations, supporting what the University has already concluded, JJ will be playing this Fall. But, the minute there is any new evidence or support from an outside investigation that the University made the correct decision, JJ will be removed. This could even happen in the middle of the season.

Again, this is just my take on it. The key to all of this perspective is seeing the quote from Kevin McRae.

 

[tnt]

PR if your perfect storm occurs and a TRO is obtained assuming the BOR upholds the expulsion, you have another problem. There will be another honor court hearing. Should JJ lose that one, he most likley would not recieve credit for those fall classes........... The bottom line is the team would technically have played a non enrolled player forfeiting any game in which he played. If you are looking for explanation of "in good standing" you got it.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR if your perfect storm occurs and a TRO is obtained assuming the BOR upholds the expulsion, you have another problem. There will be another honor court hearing. Should JJ lose that one, he most likley would not recieve credit for those fall classes........... The bottom line is the team would technically have played a non enrolled player forfeiting any game in which he played. If you are looking for explanation of "in good standing" you got it.

Wrong again, or should I say wrong still. Eligibility is determined at the start of the term, not the end (unless there are games after grades have come out at the end).

 

[GrizMusician]

PR if your perfect storm occurs and a TRO is obtained assuming the BOR upholds the expulsion, you have another problem. There will be another honor court hearing. Should JJ lose that one, he most likley would not recieve credit for those fall classes........... The bottom line is the team would technically have played a non enrolled player forfeiting any game in which he played. If you are looking for explanation of "in good standing" you got it.

What are you smoking? Maybe its time you took a little break from the ganja bud...

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[tnt]

PR if your perfect storm occurs and a TRO is obtained assuming the BOR upholds the expulsion, you have another problem. There will be another honor court hearing. Should JJ lose that one, he most likley would not recieve credit for those fall classes........... The bottom line is the team would technically have played a non enrolled player forfeiting any game in which he played. If you are looking for explanation of "in good standing" you got it.

Wrong again, or should I say wrong still. Eligibility is determined at the start of the term, not the end (unless there are games after grades have come out at the end).

There would be no grades and start to the term. It would be as if he never existed. You might check some history. Look at Indiana and Virginia. Granted the cases were based on "cheating" but the Honor Boards "disappeared" them anyway. I realize cheating is a more grievous event than sexual assault in the campus world but none the less there is precedent. Do you honestly think there isn't another "plaintiffs attorney (nice euphemism for ambulance chaser BTW) out there who wouldn't challenge the eligibility (especially if kitty cats lose again??) We know the NCAA has come back and penalized teams after the fact. Perhaps the challenge wouldn't stand up....... but perhaps it would.

 

[TDiggs1]

My buddy on the team just told me that JJ is still throwing, working out, and doing drills with the team and this was as of last Friday so apparently they are planning for him to play as of now!

 

[indian-outlaw]

I'm holding hope JJ will be our QB because he is the best we've got, however if not coach Rosenbach has stated that there are various sets of the offense both Shay and Trent can run - we may see a dual QB situation based on the scenario to start the season.

There's also talk of a drop-down that is just waiting for the call.

We'll see.

The drop-down thing is for sure. I broke it first on maroonblood days ago.

Didn't you break the news about Montana transferring from Washington as well? Also you were the guy with the inside scoop about McGee the smurf QB getting hurt last year? I am sure our new QB will be coming transferring in from USC any day now.

 

[Growler1]

I'm holding hope JJ will be our QB because he is the best we've got, however if not coach Rosenbach has stated that there are various sets of the offense both Shay and Trent can run - we may see a dual QB situation based on the scenario to start the season.

There's also talk of a drop-down that is just waiting for the call.

We'll see.

The drop-down thing is for sure. I broke it first on maroonblood days ago.

Didn't you break the news about Montana transferring from Washington as well? Also you were the guy with the inside scoop about McGee the smurf QB getting hurt last year? I am sure our new QB will be coming transferring in from USC any day now.

Not gonna humor you explaining ONCE AGAIN why Nick did not transfer to UM. Come up with something new, or go back to sleep.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR if your perfect storm occurs and a TRO is obtained assuming the BOR upholds the expulsion, you have another problem. There will be another honor court hearing. Should JJ lose that one, he most likley would not recieve credit for those fall classes........... The bottom line is the team would technically have played a non enrolled player forfeiting any game in which he played. If you are looking for explanation of "in good standing" you got it.

Wrong again, or should I say wrong still. Eligibility is determined at the start of the term, not the end (unless there are games after grades have come out at the end).

There would be no grades and start to the term. It would be as if he never existed. You might check some history. Look at Indiana and Virginia. Granted the cases were based on "cheating" but the Honor Boards "disappeared" them anyway. I realize cheating is a more grievous event than sexual assault in the campus world but none the less there is precedent. Do you honestly think there isn't another "plaintiffs attorney (nice euphemism for ambulance chaser BTW) out there who wouldn't challenge the eligibility (especially if kitty cats lose again??) We know the NCAA has come back and penalized teams after the fact. Perhaps the challenge wouldn't stand up....... but perhaps it would.

JJ has sufficient grades/courses to play this fall. If he's kicked out this summer or this summer, then obviously he won't be able to play--unless he is reinstated. I don't understand what you are saying. It makes no sense. Feel free to explain further.

No plaintiffs attorney is going to be able to challenge eligibility if he wins in the court. A win by JJ would mean that the university has lost. The university could appeal, but I don't see who else would have standing to bring a lawsuit. The Bobcats sure wouldn't. If JJ has won in court against the university, I can't see how the ncaa would have standing to challenge this. Feel free to explain who would have standing to challenge, other than some random plaintiffs lawyer.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

In 2010 JJ played in 4 games, was 15-20 for 44 yards. Hardly a seasoned vet when the 2011 season began.

JJ averaged less than 3 yards a pass...yep, agreed...hardly a seasoned vet when he was namerd the starting QB in just his secondyear on the team--just as McKinney maybe...

I really like McKinney btw. He was considered the #1 or #2 QB in the state of Hawaii. The other top QB ended up at Oregon, and looks like he maybe the starter in his red-shirt fr season in 2012 at national power Oregon. McKinney is a player! I like Shay S-Hann too!

Not worried about QB...

 

[tnt]

Once more, if he gets in on a TOR having lost his BOR appeal. It is highly unlikley that a court would (or even could)over turn the process, historically the process has been repeated. In numerous cases when the process is repeated and the same verdict has been reached, the result is that the "guilty" in terms of the registrar wasn't even there no credit, no academic progress, no anything, degrees have been negated. The expulsions went back to the original dates.

Now I realize in some worlds the U of M's S*** doesn't stink. But I assure you someone will question strongly how he could be "eligible for play" if technically he wasn't even enrolled. The number of people with "standing" could be nearly endless.......

I realize you can't hear or understand what you choose not to, but again its unlikley that a judge will appoint a QB. With luck, should the worst happen JJ may be able to continue his academic career at least temporarily and recieve credit for his work should everything work to his advantage.

And who knows maybe should he lose the final appeal, he'll move on not having a big taste for litigation. Should no legal charges follow, someone will give him a second chance. He is a nearly a 4.0 student.

 

[grizindabox]

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

FWIW, this App fan will be disappointed if JJ doesn't play. Our team has some unanswered questions as well, but I'd like to see the real Montana in Boone in September.

Don't worry too much about Montana not being Montana come your game, we have 2 very talented QB's on the roster other than JJ. All dominant programs have more than 1 single great QB on their roster...

Montana had a 2nd yr player QB lead them to the National Semi's last season, and I believe we have another red-shirt fr QB that could do the same or better...Trent McKinney from the Hawaiian Islands. And we have a big gun-slinger as well in Shay S-Hann from in-state.

 

[GrizPDX]

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Greg Hardy on #Griz QB Jordan Johnson: "I just pray for him and hopefully things work out the right way, whichever way that is."

Tweet from Fritz in the last hour, FWIW.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Remember, hardly no-one knew who Denarius McGee was his redshirt yr, and redshirt fr yr until he played. Now he is the Messiah over in bozo. Same with JJ and soon to be Trent McKinney.

McKinney can play... :shock: :clap: Shay too :thumb: