Potentail ambush game....

[SoldierGriz]

We are going to win this game by at least 20. Ferris is very good for Division 2. We are very good for the FCS. Its a different class of athletes and coaches, and not nearly as close as some folks here are making it sound. And Ferris is no ND State from 2003, in my opinion.

Edit -- We give out 63 scholarships, plus pay for food and some housing (I assume) for players to stay in the summer. They give out 36 and cannot pay for players to stick around to train and practice in the off season. That means that at least half of their backups are not even offered a scholarship.

Their head coach makes $30,000 a year. If he was a top tier coach, he would have left for any job paying six figures (or more) by now. Don't forget, Stitt was a DII legend to some people. We pay more than that to the every coach on our staff.

They aren't in our class/tier of football programs. This will be a beat down.

I know your shtick is rainbows and unicorns, but in no universe does their Head Football Coach make 30,000. None. Every or nearly every head HS football coach in Texas clears 100,000 for crying out loud.

This Ferris Team WILL repeat as DII champs this year. They have put more players in the NFL than the Griz in the recent past.

Many of their starters would land in the two-deep on the Griz roster. Some would start. They would beat every team in the bottom half of the BSC.

The Griz better be prepared to compete when they come to town.

 

[Triwest]

We are going to win this game by at least 20. Ferris is very good for Division 2. We are very good for the FCS. Its a different class of athletes and coaches, and not nearly as close as some folks here are making it sound. And Ferris is no ND State from 2003, in my opinion.

Edit -- We give out 63 scholarships, plus pay for food and some housing (I assume) for players to stay in the summer. They give out 36 and cannot pay for players to stick around to train and practice in the off season. That means that at least half of their backups are not even offered a scholarship.

Their head coach makes $30,000 a year. If he was a top tier coach, he would have left for any job paying six figures (or more) by now. Don't forget, Stitt was a DII legend to some people. We pay more than that to the every coach on our staff.

They aren't in our class/tier of football programs. This will be a beat down.

I know your shtick is rainbows and unicorns, but in no universe does their Head Football Coach make 30,000. None. Every or nearly every head HS football coach in Texas clears 100,000 for crying out loud.

This Ferris Team WILL repeat as DII champs this year. They have put more players in the NFL than the Griz in the recent past.

Many of their starters would land in the two-deep on the Griz roster. Some would start. They would beat every team in the bottom half of the BSC.

The Griz better be prepared to compete when they come to town.

Anthony Annese in 2018 was employed at University Of Ferris State and had an annual salary of $128,854 according to public records. This salary is 69 percent higher than average and 100 percent higher than median salary in University Of Ferris State. He is still the head coach.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

We are going to win this game by at least 20. Ferris is very good for Division 2. We are very good for the FCS. Its a different class of athletes and coaches, and not nearly as close as some folks here are making it sound. And Ferris is no ND State from 2003, in my opinion.

Edit -- We give out 63 scholarships, plus pay for food and some housing (I assume) for players to stay in the summer. They give out 36 and cannot pay for players to stick around to train and practice in the off season. That means that at least half of their backups are not even offered a scholarship.

Their head coach makes $30,000 a year. If he was a top tier coach, he would have left for any job paying six figures (or more) by now. Don't forget, Stitt was a DII legend to some people. We pay more than that to the every coach on our staff.

They aren't in our class/tier of football programs. This will be a beat down.

I know your shtick is rainbows and unicorns, but in no universe does their Head Football Coach make 30,000. None. Every or nearly every head HS football coach in Texas clears 100,000 for crying out loud.

$130,000 in 2018.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

We are going to win this game by at least 20. Ferris is very good for Division 2. We are very good for the FCS. Its a different class of athletes and coaches, and not nearly as close as some folks here are making it sound. And Ferris is no ND State from 2003, in my opinion.

Edit -- We give out 63 scholarships, plus pay for food and some housing (I assume) for players to stay in the summer. They give out 36 and cannot pay for players to stick around to train and practice in the off season. That means that at least half of their backups are not even offered a scholarship.

Their head coach makes $30,000 a year. If he was a top tier coach, he would have left for any job paying six figures (or more) by now. Don't forget, Stitt was a DII legend to some people. We pay more than that to the every coach on our staff.

They aren't in our class/tier of football programs. This will be a beat down.

I know your shtick is rainbows and unicorns, but in no universe does their Head Football Coach make 30,000. None. Every or nearly every head HS football coach in Texas clears 100,000 for crying out loud.

This Ferris Team WILL repeat as DII champs this year. They have put more players in the NFL than the Griz in the recent past.

Many of their starters would land in the two-deep on the Griz roster. Some would start. They would beat every team in the bottom half of the BSC.

The Griz better be prepared to compete when they come to town.

Wow. So, I guess it'll be a great win for our team if we can somehow pull it off.

 

[uofmman1122]

I know your shtick is rainbows and unicorns, but in no universe does their Head Football Coach make 30,000. None. Every or nearly every head HS football coach in Texas clears 100,000 for crying out loud.

This Ferris Team WILL repeat as DII champs this year. They have put more players in the NFL than the Griz in the recent past.

Many of their starters would land in the two-deep on the Griz roster. Some would start. They would beat every team in the bottom half of the BSC.

The Griz better be prepared to compete when they come to town.

Wow. So, I guess it'll be a great win for our team if we can somehow pull it off.

No, you just don't get how this works. These guys would be a top-15 FCS team, but losing to them would be worse than losing to Drake. Or UNC.

Beating them means nothing, but they're extremely good and would probably make the FCS playoffs right now, so we'd better be prepared for a game.

But don't be too happy if we win, because we should always win this game because D2 teams are never good.

In short, they're an amazing team we should be worried about before the game starts, but after the game, they suck and either outcome is awful for us.

Hope this helps. :thumb:

 

[AZDoc]

If they are healthy and the Griz are not...it will be a loss. I have seen a lot of D2 football, and starters are legit at that level. Frequently may be a little undersized at some positions, but the skill is there. Again, depth is the key here. Make no mistake, this game is absolutely the most difficult non conference game.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

If they are healthy and the Griz are not...it will be a loss. I have seen a lot of D2 football, and starters are legit at that level. Frequently may be a little undersized at some positions, but the skill is there. Again, depth is the key here. Make no mistake, this game is absolutely the most difficult non conference game.

The elevation of Big Rapids Michigan is 925 feet. In the heat of the summer and early fall the elevation of Missoula will take its toll.
We will see their backups in the game and we should be playing our backups by mid 3rd. Just ask SEMO what its like when you're gassed and the Griz train is gaining speed.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Wow. So, I guess it'll be a great win for our team if we can somehow pull it off.

No, you just don't get how this works. These guys would be a top-15 FCS team, but losing to them would be worse than losing to Drake. Or UNC.

Beating them means nothing, but they're extremely good and would probably make the FCS playoffs right now, so we'd better be prepared for a game.

But don't be too happy if we win, because we should always win this game because D2 teams are never good.

In short, they're an amazing team we should be worried about before the game starts, but after the game, they suck and either outcome is awful for us.

Hope this helps. :thumb:

Thanks. I think I'm getting it. Is there any truth to the rumors that their roster has P5 talent that chose to play DII in rural Michigan for the glitz and glamour?

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I went and looked through a couple, I don't know what you are wanting me to look for? Yes, they write in there that many of their players were "highly recruited" or "top prospect in x state" or whatever else. They can write anything they want there. I did go do that for ya, but I didn't see anything that knocked my socks off. If you want me to go check something out in particular, I'm happy to look at whatever one you send me.

I'm not trying to just write them off. Maybe my opinion is wrong. I'm open to other information.

They have several players from Florida on their roster. I believe those athletes are accustomed to playing a good level of football, maybe even as good as Montana high school football? I would also mention that at least two of their players are members of the National Honor Society which would seem to question the view expressed on this forum that they are academically inferior.

I'm not questioning the quality of Florida football. That area of the country is absolutely top notch. But if they were amazing football players and also have great grades, they would have gone to somewhere with a higher football pedigree. That's just generally how it works, barring extreme exceptions.

I'm sure they have some kids with talent. I'm not saying that. But the overall level of player and coach at the FCS is significantly higher than at Division II. That is why those coaches and players are at their respective divisions. I don't know of the Griz or the state school losing recruits to Division II teams. I don't know of us losing portal players to those teams. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that it isn't the norm in my experience.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Wow. So, I guess it'll be a great win for our team if we can somehow pull it off.

No, you just don't get how this works. These guys would be a top-15 FCS team, but losing to them would be worse than losing to Drake. Or UNC.

Beating them means nothing, but they're extremely good and would probably make the FCS playoffs right now, so we'd better be prepared for a game.

But don't be too happy if we win, because we should always win this game because D2 teams are never good.

In short, they're an amazing team we should be worried about before the game starts, but after the game, they suck and either outcome is awful for us.

Hope this helps. :thumb:

I don't know who said any of those things. All I ever said is there is no upside to scheduling this game. Griz win - they should. Griz lose - oh crap.

No upside and no help for playoff formula.

They are good. Griz will get tested.

 

[mthoopsfan]

No, you just don't get how this works. These guys would be a top-15 FCS team, but losing to them would be worse than losing to Drake. Or UNC.

Beating them means nothing, but they're extremely good and would probably make the FCS playoffs right now, so we'd better be prepared for a game.

But don't be too happy if we win, because we should always win this game because D2 teams are never good.

In short, they're an amazing team we should be worried about before the game starts, but after the game, they suck and either outcome is awful for us.

Hope this helps. :thumb:

I don't know who said any of those things. All I ever said is there is no upside to scheduling this game. Griz win - they should. Griz lose - oh crap.

No upside and no help for playoff formula.

They are good. Griz will get tested.

There is upside. A win improves the team record. Reasonable but not killer competition is good prep for the conference season. The athletic department makes very good money off the game. Even if ticket prices are not high, the fee paid is lower and there's little travel cost to be covered for them.

A loss to any team, whether FCS or D-II, is, of course, a downside. A loss to a weak D-II is a bigger negative.

 

[SoldierGriz]

No, you just don't get how this works. These guys would be a top-15 FCS team, but losing to them would be worse than losing to Drake. Or UNC.

Beating them means nothing, but they're extremely good and would probably make the FCS playoffs right now, so we'd better be prepared for a game.

But don't be too happy if we win, because we should always win this game because D2 teams are never good.

In short, they're an amazing team we should be worried about before the game starts, but after the game, they suck and either outcome is awful for us.

Hope this helps. :thumb:

Thanks. I think I'm getting it. Is there any truth to the rumors that their roster has P5 talent that chose to play DII in rural Michigan for the glitz and glamour?

...said no one...where do you guys get this kind of nonsense?

Ferris dudes do play to get into the NFL...at a better clip the Griz dudes lately.

Ferris, NW Missouri State, Pittsburgh State, and Grand Valley would ALL have winning records in the FCS regardless of conference...right now.

Ferris is a top 25 FCS team immediately.

The difference in talent is not as big as some of you think between these elite DII schools and many or even most FCS teams.

And, whoever said DII players don't stick around for summer workouts ought to take a drive by one of the 4 above campuses some morning...

We better pack Wa Griz for this game...the toughest non-con game of the season.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I don't know who said any of those things. All I ever said is there is no upside to scheduling this game. Griz win - they should. Griz lose - oh crap.

No upside and no help for playoff formula.

They are good. Griz will get tested.

There is upside. A win improves the team record. Reasonable but not killer competition is good prep for the conference season. The athletic department makes very good money off the game. Even if ticket prices are not high, the fee paid is lower and there's little travel cost to be covered for them.

A loss to any team, whether FCS or D-II, is, of course, a downside. A loss to a weak D-II is a bigger negative.

Good points ref the $ and prep heading into conf season.

Disagree a win here helps with playoffs in any way.

 

[Spanky2]

They have several players from Florida on their roster. I believe those athletes are accustomed to playing a good level of football, maybe even as good as Montana high school football? I would also mention that at least two of their players are members of the National Honor Society which would seem to question the view expressed on this forum that they are academically inferior.

I'm not questioning the quality of Florida football. That area of the country is absolutely top notch. But if they were amazing football players and also have great grades, they would have gone to somewhere with a higher football pedigree. That's just generally how it works, barring extreme exceptions.

I'm sure they have some kids with talent. I'm not saying that. But the overall level of player and coach at the FCS is significantly higher than at Division II. That is why those coaches and players are at their respective divisions. I don't know of the Griz or the state school losing recruits to Division II teams. I don't know of us losing portal players to those teams. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that it isn't the norm in my experience.

I would suggest to you that Division 2 football isn’t that far removed from the FCS level. With some exceptions truly talented athletes play at the FBS level….not FCS. Be reminded, I stated with some exceptions.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I'm not questioning the quality of Florida football. That area of the country is absolutely top notch. But if they were amazing football players and also have great grades, they would have gone to somewhere with a higher football pedigree. That's just generally how it works, barring extreme exceptions.

I'm sure they have some kids with talent. I'm not saying that. But the overall level of player and coach at the FCS is significantly higher than at Division II. That is why those coaches and players are at their respective divisions. I don't know of the Griz or the state school losing recruits to Division II teams. I don't know of us losing portal players to those teams. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that it isn't the norm in my experience.

I would suggest to you that Division 2 football isn’t that far removed from the FCS level. With some exceptions truly talented athletes play at the FBS level….not FCS. Be reminded, I stated with some exceptions.

Absolutely, and clearly we have just come to a point where we disagree on our opinions. That's okay. We could probably argue a bunch, and both produce random numbers and go back and forth. But no need for that. We will find out in a couple of months whether there is a big gap or not.

Either way, I hope for the best and thanks for a post with a good subject to talk about!

 

[Griz Addict]

Ferris might make it look like a game for the 1st quarter, then start to deteriorate in 2nd and then griz destroy them. That's how this gonna go.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

We are going to win this game by at least 20. Ferris is very good for Division 2. We are very good for the FCS. Its a different class of athletes and coaches, and not nearly as close as some folks here are making it sound. And Ferris is no ND State from 2003, in my opinion.

Edit -- We give out 63 scholarships, plus pay for food and some housing (I assume) for players to stay in the summer. They give out 36 and cannot pay for players to stick around to train and practice in the off season. That means that at least half of their backups are not even offered a scholarship.

Their head coach makes $30,000 a year. If he was a top tier coach, he would have left for any job paying six figures (or more) by now. Don't forget, Stitt was a DII legend to some people. We pay more than that to the every coach on our staff.

They aren't in our class/tier of football programs. This will be a beat down.

I know your shtick is rainbows and unicorns, but in no universe does their Head Football Coach make 30,000. None. Every or nearly every head HS football coach in Texas clears 100,000 for crying out loud.

This Ferris Team WILL repeat as DII champs this year. They have put more players in the NFL than the Griz in the recent past.

Many of their starters would land in the two-deep on the Griz roster. Some would start. They would beat every team in the bottom half of the BSC.

The Griz better be prepared to compete when they come to town.

Many made this point about the salary, and I will again admit I was wrong. I googled, and it was wrong. I should have looked for a better source. I went with confirmation bias. That was my bad. 100%. Their coach makes WAY more than I had said. No excuses. I was just flat wrong.

I will say, though, you are cherry picking with Texas coaches salary. There are NAIA coaches in Montana not making six figures. Texas is a special beast of football coaching. You can't compare that to anywhere other than the deep southeast in terms of competition, and even that is a stress. There is a reason that they make movies and TV shows about "Texas Football."

You're right that they have starters that would be on our two deep. I don't disagree. I believe, though, that our two deep would start at nearly every position for them.

I'm sure they will repeat as DII champs. Good for them. All power to them. And they will put players in the NFL. DII players can do that. But sometimes great NFL players are not the same as great college players, for a lot of reasons. Heck, the greatest Griz QB of all time never did it in the NFL, and I wouldn't trade him and his MT career for anyone.

As for the rest of that, don't put me on a schtick. I can admit plenty of faults, just not the ones some folks throw out that don't make sense.

 

[AZDoc]

If they are healthy and the Griz are not...it will be a loss. I have seen a lot of D2 football, and starters are legit at that level. Frequently may be a little undersized at some positions, but the skill is there. Again, depth is the key here. Make no mistake, this game is absolutely the most difficult non conference game.

The elevation of Big Rapids Michigan is 925 feet. In the heat of the summer and early fall the elevation of Missoula will take its toll.
We will see their backups in the game and we should be playing our backups by mid 3rd. Just ask SEMO what its like when you're gassed and the Griz train is gaining speed.

Yes this is also my hope! SEMO again.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I know your shtick is rainbows and unicorns, but in no universe does their Head Football Coach make 30,000. None. Every or nearly every head HS football coach in Texas clears 100,000 for crying out loud.

This Ferris Team WILL repeat as DII champs this year. They have put more players in the NFL than the Griz in the recent past.

Many of their starters would land in the two-deep on the Griz roster. Some would start. They would beat every team in the bottom half of the BSC.

The Griz better be prepared to compete when they come to town.

Many made this point about the salary, and I will again admit I was wrong. I googled, and it was wrong. I should have looked for a better source. I went with confirmation bias. That was my bad. 100%. Their coach makes WAY more than I had said. No excuses. I was just flat wrong.

I will say, though, you are cherry picking with Texas coaches salary. There are NAIA coaches in Montana not making six figures. Texas is a special beast of football coaching. You can't compare that to anywhere other than the deep southeast in terms of competition, and even that is a stress. There is a reason that they make movies and TV shows about "Texas Football."

You're right that they have starters that would be on our two deep. I don't disagree. I believe, though, that our two deep would start at nearly every position for them.

I'm sure they will repeat as DII champs. Good for them. All power to them. And they will put players in the NFL. DII players can do that. But sometimes great NFL players are not the same as great college players, for a lot of reasons. Heck, the greatest Griz QB of all time never did it in the NFL, and I wouldn't trade him and his MT career for anyone.

As for the rest of that, don't put me on a schtick. I can admit plenty of faults, just not the ones some folks throw out that don't make sense.

Every HS football coach in Montana also makes over 30,000...as does every NAIA head football coach in America. I didn't mean to dwell on it. I honestly thought it had to be a typo.

I doubt Vegas will put a 20 pt spread on this game...but we'll see.

 

[Spanky2]

Ferris might make it look like a game for the 1st quarter, then start to deteriorate in 2nd and then griz destroy them. That's how this gonna go.

That’s what the Washington fans said when we played them. Remember that game?