Post Game: Too Little Too Late

[jodcon]

BW touched on it. I think we actually did a pretty good job putting pressure on Shoota. I was actually surprised that he didn't seem as elusive as Johnson.

What game did you watch?

He really didn't do anything on the ground which was a little surprising, 10 rushes for 16 yards and got sacked 3 times, but he did have a couple nice throws on the run along with his 12,000 yards from the pocket.

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

Great write-up, as usual, BW. I'm glad you mentioned the Griz missing Goodwin. I also mentioned it in another thread, but no one else has said anything about his absence -- Adams was throwing over (and beating) Dennard all game long. Also really liked your comments about the coaches wanting this to be a "power-run team"; that simply is never going to happen with RBs the size of ours and an OL that can't open up a hole for a little mouse.

+1000!

As stupid as this sounds, someone needs to get the offensive coordinators to read egriz. It seems everyone in Griz nation knows that this is one of our biggest problems... trying to be a power-run team up the gut with great but small backs when the o-line simply cannot open any holes at all.

Despite this huge glaring problem, they keep calling the same failed plays OVER AND OVER AND OVER OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.

Cmon staff, for the sake of the rest of the season and the remaining games, wake the F up... pleeeeeeeeeeeeease!

Um no, they don't run it north /south,other than a couple times a game. The 2 best runs we had were the Van burst and the Canada Td, both between the tackles. The fail is running slow developing runs that work against what we do best. Our O line is best going downhill, they are not good in space. Kistler is slow footed, in evidence all year as is his running mate Poehls. The early NFL looky loo is bullshit, these guys won't get a sniff at the next level because their footwork is not good and they are slow. So accept that and use a scheme that utilizes what they do best

 

[grzz]

You forgot to say: "The coaches once again forgot that TE was a position commonly used in offensive formations for reasons other than blocking for long stretches of the game."

Other than that, good write up.

 

[mikegriz]

If the Griz would play quarters 1-3 like they play quarter 4, they wouldn't nearly have lost to CalPoly or lost to EWU. This idea of "balance" in the Griz O isn't working. I think that's where the idea of "stubbornness" comes in, this set mentality that the Griz have to be "balanced," regardless of circumstances.

Instead of trying to establish the run to open up the passing game, maybe it should be the reverse. Seems the Griz do far better with more passing and opening up the D. Instead of 50% run & 50% passing, it should be 25% run & 75% passing. Go w/ what's working, not w/ what's not working.

+1

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Our short passing game works well against a prevent defense. :thumb:

 

[bgbigdog]

Brint,

Even if you're right and they do run the table, it will only prolong the Delaney dilemma. You stopped short, but I won't. God bless him for stepping in during the worst of it, for being an honorable man and great person. But a good coach, not so much. Hang this loss on Delaney and Co. Gurns wasn't trying to hide his disgust for what he was seeing, Gregorak was claiming he was embarrassed during his half-time radio interview and reality is that all the heart in the world, which this team has by the truckload, isn't going to make up for bad coaching.

The offensive "tweaks" this year were a result of a lack of confidence in any improvement on the defensive side. Time of possession would help Delaney & Gregorak cover for the fact that they hadn't found an answer for the poor tackling or an inability to cover anyone. Did time of possession help today? You aptly note that things got rolling with the hurry up, which JJ was recruited to run, only in the spread option offense. Keep the 2012 offense and add Ellis, Jamal Jones, Van and JJ with the virtually the same O-line that hung 400 rushing yards on EWU last year, you can hang with anyone in the Big Sky. And let's be honest, this O-Line isn't capable of being the maulers needed to run the pro set offense. It wouldn't have taken more than one hiccup like NAU to figure that out and right now, with all due respect, they're as much a liability as anything else. Yeah, your defense will still be less than you would have liked, but that's because they bring in personnel to upgrade it from 2012. And you certainly didn't upgrade from the thimble full of coaching you got then and are getting now.

Heart with clown-car coaching isn't going to beat anyone who matters in the FCS. And it's only going to cause the process of climbing back up the mountain to be that much longer and harder.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

We have a racehorse hooked to a plow. I say, yes, give us more empty backfield and let Jordy do his thing.

 

[George Ferguson]

EWU didn't go into a true prevent. They were bringing heat on every snap in the fourth quarter, At least two backers. They really only went conservative at 42-17. After the Griz scored twice. Vernon was trying to sling it again. Maybe in their minds they took their foot off the gas, but not by their actions on either side of the ball.

 

[George Ferguson]

No, the offensive changes were not a result of the lack of confidence in the defense. The changes were made because MD wanted to run his offensive system. He's said so many times this season.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

Good post as always Brint. The players of the game for EWU were definitely the wide receivers. They are play makers and I am not saying Vernon Adams is not a great QB but his receivers go get the ball and some of Adams passes were not on target but the wr go get the ball. There were several passes where the defense had good coverage and even could have made a play on the ball but the wr went up and did their thing.

I agree with the play calling and how the Griz are not suited for power running. The kicking game is what it is. I wonder if Worst could have had more reps in prior games rather than having the coaches go for it all the time if the experience could have helped him and boosted his confidence. On the other hand, maybe the Griz just don't have a quality kicker that can step up when needed. Time will tell but i like what I see from Worst more than the other.

This loss hurts but it could have been much worse. I am honestly more upset with the fan support than the play of the Griz. The crowd bailing out was about as disappointing as the predictable play calling. The formations and players in for different packages sort of tips the hat at what play is coming. The biggest surprise of the coaching staff that I was happy about was how they pretended that Van wasn't going to play yet he did.

Are you f***[*] kidding ME? We now need the crowd to win? Jesoos Marimba, we need a coach to pull his head out of his ass and actually call a winner of a game.

f*** dude.

:lol: I had to laugh when I read your response. I never said the Griz need the crowd to win. I agree with you 110% about the coach :thumb:

All I am saying is a large number of the crowd that even bothered to show up for the second half left when the score was 42-17. The players feed of the energy of the crowd so it does help them at times along with giving the defense an edge at times. EWU only had one false start that I can remember and that was late in the game so obviously they have experience playing in front of big crowds. The home field advantage of UM is second to none in FCS but no the Griz do not need the crowd to win. They need better play calling and/or preparation along with better execution in all three phases of the game.

My apologies. I am just bitter like many on this board and very willing to jump on anything I don't like, even if I haven't been thorough in reading through.

Thanks for cutting me some slack brother. :thumb:

No problem buddy. I know what you mean because I am guilty of doing the same and jump on comments I don't agree with. There are times I am way off while other times I am also like are you f***ing kidding me. Have a good one :thumb:

 

[Eriul]

Thanks for always bringing class and knowledge to the forums brint. I honestly vote someone gets our coaches the write up because I honestly believe the o coords just don't see it. There is no way they can be so bad and not see it...

 

[tnt]

Several of the things Gregorak said post game have been nagging at me. Particularly when he mentioned they are still in pads later in the week (most teams aren"t) working on basics. Especially on tackling. We did see a lot of high school stuff yesterday on both side of the ball and a lot of basic mistales that cost us including some penalties from frustration that cost us big time.

 

[Chester Cheetah]

The proof is in the pudding with this: under his watch at UM, the defense has had its worst years in program history.

:shock: Really?

Strange, I thought we were #1 in Scoring Defense and Total Defense coming in...

You evidently have been buying into playa's hype and deception, I am not sure about before the game but after the game you are 9th in Total Defense and 7th in Scoring Defense.

 

[GoGriz14]

Our short passing game works well against a prevent defense. :thumb:

This is exactly what people don't understand. The hurry-up offense has been successful when the other defense stops playing to win and starts playing not to lose. The coaches are so hell bent on establishing the running game because unless the defense drops 7 or 8 into coverage every play, the O-line cannot give JJ enough time to do anything without play-action.

Well then we just need to use the short passing game to open up the run then right? Except, we can't do that either. Try to think about how many times there has been a completion on a quick ball over the middle. Now try to think about how many ball have been swatted right back into JJ's face. The line is too big/can't open up any passing lanes for the quick passing game to be consistent.

The O-line (along with secondary - again...) has proven itself to be the weak link this year. Unless something miraculous happens in a hurry, these next four weeks will most likely be a bit rough.

I really with that I was as optimistic as some and believe that we will hit our stride and win out carrying a truck-load of momentum into the playoffs, but I see the opposite. We will be fortunate to win 3 of them. We will beat Weber at home, but Sac St and So Dak have played tough against quality opponents so far this year and could easily both be losses. I do think we win at least one of these though. If nothing changes from today, November 23 is going to be a long day for anyone wearing maroon. This team will be rolled in Bozeman and limp into the playoffs at 8-4 with the minimum 7 D-I wins if they can take one from Sac St or So Dak.

 

[get'em_griz]

Our short passing game works well against a prevent defense. :thumb:

This is exactly what people don't understand. The hurry-up offense has been successful when the other defense stops playing to win and starts playing not to lose. The coaches are so hell bent on establishing the running game because unless the defense drops 7 or 8 into coverage every play, the O-line cannot give JJ enough time to do anything without play-action.

Well then we just need to use the short passing game to open up the run then right? Except, we can't do that either. Try to think about how many times there has been a completion on a quick ball over the middle. Now try to think about how many ball have been swatted right back into JJ's face. The line is too big/can't open up any passing lanes for the quick passing game to be consistent.

The O-line (along with secondary - again...) has proven itself to be the weak link this year. Unless something miraculous happens in a hurry, these next four weeks will most likely be a bit rough.

I really with that I was as optimistic as some and believe that we will hit our stride and win out carrying a truck-load of momentum into the playoffs, but I see the opposite. We will be fortunate to win 3 of them. We will beat Weber at home, but Sac St and So Dak have played tough against quality opponents so far this year and could easily both be losses. I do think we win at least one of these though. If nothing changes from today, November 23 is going to be a long day for anyone wearing maroon. This team will be rolled in Bozeman and limp into the playoffs at 8-4 with the minimum 7 D-I wins if they can take one from Sac St or So Dak.

Seriously? There are so many Negative Nancies that it's embarrassing. :roll:

 

[Bear Spray]

Our short passing game works well against a prevent defense. :thumb:

This is exactly what people don't understand. The hurry-up offense has been successful when the other defense stops playing to win and starts playing not to lose. The coaches are so hell bent on establishing the running game because unless the defense drops 7 or 8 into coverage every play, the O-line cannot give JJ enough time to do anything without play-action.

Well then we just need to use the short passing game to open up the run then right? Except, we can't do that either. Try to think about how many times there has been a completion on a quick ball over the middle. Now try to think about how many ball have been swatted right back into JJ's face. The line is too big/can't open up any passing lanes for the quick passing game to be consistent.

The O-line (along with secondary - again...) has proven itself to be the weak link this year. Unless something miraculous happens in a hurry, these next four weeks will most likely be a bit rough.

I really with that I was as optimistic as some and believe that we will hit our stride and win out carrying a truck-load of momentum into the playoffs, but I see the opposite. We will be fortunate to win 3 of them. We will beat Weber at home, but Sac St and So Dak have played tough against quality opponents so far this year and could easily both be losses. I do think we win at least one of these though. If nothing changes from today, November 23 is going to be a long day for anyone wearing maroon. This team will be rolled in Bozeman and limp into the playoffs at 8-4 with the minimum 7 D-I wins if they can take one from Sac St or So Dak.

Spot on. I watched the game twice yesterday, and it's glaring how predictable the Griz O is.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Our short passing game works well against a prevent defense. :thumb:

This is exactly what people don't understand. The hurry-up offense has been successful when the other defense stops playing to win and starts playing not to lose. The coaches are so hell bent on establishing the running game because unless the defense drops 7 or 8 into coverage every play, the O-line cannot give JJ enough time to do anything without play-action.

Well then we just need to use the short passing game to open up the run then right? Except, we can't do that either. Try to think about how many times there has been a completion on a quick ball over the middle. Now try to think about how many ball have been swatted right back into JJ's face. The line is too big/can't open up any passing lanes for the quick passing game to be consistent.

The O-line (along with secondary - again...) has proven itself to be the weak link this year. Unless something miraculous happens in a hurry, these next four weeks will most likely be a bit rough.

I really with that I was as optimistic as some and believe that we will hit our stride and win out carrying a truck-load of momentum into the playoffs, but I see the opposite. We will be fortunate to win 3 of them. We will beat Weber at home, but Sac St and So Dak have played tough against quality opponents so far this year and could easily both be losses. I do think we win at least one of these though. If nothing changes from today, November 23 is going to be a long day for anyone wearing maroon. This team will be rolled in Bozeman and limp into the playoffs at 8-4 with the minimum 7 D-I wins if they can take one from Sac St or So Dak.

How have we managed to win six games this year against only 2 losses? I mean, we're obviously the worst team in the entire country.

 

[get'em_griz]

Our short passing game works well against a prevent defense. :thumb:

This is exactly what people don't understand. The hurry-up offense has been successful when the other defense stops playing to win and starts playing not to lose. The coaches are so hell bent on establishing the running game because unless the defense drops 7 or 8 into coverage every play, the O-line cannot give JJ enough time to do anything without play-action.

Well then we just need to use the short passing game to open up the run then right? Except, we can't do that either. Try to think about how many times there has been a completion on a quick ball over the middle. Now try to think about how many ball have been swatted right back into JJ's face. The line is too big/can't open up any passing lanes for the quick passing game to be consistent.

The O-line (along with secondary - again...) has proven itself to be the weak link this year. Unless something miraculous happens in a hurry, these next four weeks will most likely be a bit rough.

I really with that I was as optimistic as some and believe that we will hit our stride and win out carrying a truck-load of momentum into the playoffs, but I see the opposite. We will be fortunate to win 3 of them. We will beat Weber at home, but Sac St and So Dak have played tough against quality opponents so far this year and could easily both be losses. I do think we win at least one of these though. If nothing changes from today, November 23 is going to be a long day for anyone wearing maroon. This team will be rolled in Bozeman and limp into the playoffs at 8-4 with the minimum 7 D-I wins if they can take one from Sac St or So Dak.

How have we managed to win six games this year against only 2 losses? I mean, we're obviously the worst team in the entire country.

It's kinda hard for people to figure than one out apparently.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Or, another way to put it in a way that complainers might understand:

The pass play didn't work eighteen times yesterday. Yet, we kept trying it OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[B_Kross]

Our short passing game works well against a prevent defense. :thumb:

This is exactly what people don't understand. The hurry-up offense has been successful when the other defense stops playing to win and starts playing not to lose. The coaches are so hell bent on establishing the running game because unless the defense drops 7 or 8 into coverage every play, the O-line cannot give JJ enough time to do anything without play-action.

Well then we just need to use the short passing game to open up the run then right? Except, we can't do that either. Try to think about how many times there has been a completion on a quick ball over the middle. Now try to think about how many ball have been swatted right back into JJ's face. The line is too big/can't open up any passing lanes for the quick passing game to be consistent.

The O-line (along with secondary - again...) has proven itself to be the weak link this year. Unless something miraculous happens in a hurry, these next four weeks will most likely be a bit rough.

I really with that I was as optimistic as some and believe that we will hit our stride and win out carrying a truck-load of momentum into the playoffs, but I see the opposite. We will be fortunate to win 3 of them. We will beat Weber at home, but Sac St and So Dak have played tough against quality opponents so far this year and could easily both be losses. I do think we win at least one of these though. If nothing changes from today, November 23 is going to be a long day for anyone wearing maroon. This team will be rolled in Bozeman and limp into the playoffs at 8-4 with the minimum 7 D-I wins if they can take one from Sac St or So Dak.

How have we managed to win six games this year against only 2 losses? I mean, we're obviously the worst team in the entire country.

It's kinda hard for people to figure than one out apparently.

But don't you get it, those wins don't count because they weren't "Anyone of note". :lol: :roll: