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Portal and Roster Limits

HelenaHandBasket said:
So if the Griz win 10 games next season, how does that play with the overall trajectory? What about 9? This is why using a small, 1 year change, doesn't really give a clear picture of overall trajectory.
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As I said, it’s not just wins and losses. There is important content that will be needed to make that judgement. How did they win those games. Did they play down to bad teams? Were they a bunch of 3-7 point victories that came down to the fourth quarter? Did they lose any games they were absolutely supposed to win. Did they recruit High School and the portal well enough to put together competent roster the following year that can win?

There is lots of things that go into this other the scores the games.
 
Da Boyz Mom said:
This year's results combined with the current roster does not give much optimism for next year. That could change with transfers, but that can go either way. We've seen very impactful transfers in the past, but this year they were mostly duds. In the current FCS landscape, Montana should be in the semi-finals every year. 9-5 is unacceptable, especially considering the recent success happening down the road.
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But how good was this overall roster really?
 
GrizRealist said:
As I said, it’s not just wins and losses. There is important content that will be needed to make that judgement. How did they win those games. Did they play down to bad teams? Were they a bunch of 3-7 point victories that came down to the fourth quarter? Did they lose any games they were absolutely supposed to win. Did they recruit High School and the portal well enough to put together competent roster the following year that can win?

There is lots of things that go into this other the scores the games.
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So unless things are exactly how you envision them, then things are not right? You are making assumptions and complaining about not winning by enough. You maybe right, and they could suck balls next year, but you might just be wrong. So how do you feel if they win 9 games next season?
 
Da Boyz Mom said:
I think you're making my point for me. It wasn't good. And the quality of player has seemed to have gone down significantly over the past two to three years.
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But many of those same players went to a Championship the year prior. I am not sure the quality was necessarily worse, but many regressed and the lack of execution on the field was incredible.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
So you want to use the time prior to 2010 to base a successful season? Not sure using a benchmark from 15+ years ago is an accurate gauge. What you can agree is that Hauck has been successful based on the 6 season between 1.0 and 2.0. People continue to think that the Griz program is elite, but that hasn't been the case in 15 years...think about that. 11 wins isn't the norm. 10 wins isn't the norm. I get people want more, but the lack of reality of where this program currently is perched and the expectations that winning is easy really cloud fans.
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It’s seems like your argument is “the past 6 years have been better than the 6 before that so what’s everyone complaining about out”

Yes. The goal is and should be some form of what happened in the 1.0 era. I’m aware the landscape has changed, but you can clearly still be a very dominant FCS team with the right support and mindset. There are about 5 schools that are setup to consistently win championships at the FCS level, UM being one of them, and frankly it just does not seem like we are putting in the kind of effort the DSU’s and the like are. I’m aware Hauck has not been an abject failure in the 2.0 era, but it’s been nowhere close to a home run either. Since his return he has been average, at best, in comparison to the top of the FCS outside of one season in which the ball bounced our way a number of times.
 
GrizRealist said:
Program trajectory can absolutely be deduced on a season by season basis. Do I need to draw a graph for you? We lost most games than last year. Downward. Our roster is much worse than last year. Downward. Next years roster looks to we worse than this one. Downward.

You can theorize and sunshine pump all you want. Doesn’t change what is actually occurring.
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Then I pick last season and trajectory is up. Say what you want. You don’t understand football or the Griz. Your last 2 sentences aren’t right and the one is still a work in progress.
 
GrizRealist said:
It’s seems like your argument is “the past 6 years have been better than the 6 before that so what’s everyone complaining about out”

Yes. The goal is and should be some form of what happened in the 1.0 era. I’m aware the landscape has changed, but you can clearly still be a very dominant FCS team with the right support and mindset. There are about 5 schools that are setup to consistently win championships at the FCS level, UM being one of them, and frankly it just does not seem like we are putting in the kind of effort the DSU’s and the like are. I’m aware Hauck has not been an abject failure in the 2.0 era, but it’s been nowhere close to a home run either. Since his return he has been average, at best, in comparison to the top of the FCS outside of one season in which the ball bounced our way a number of times.
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Follow up, if winning is so easy, and UM is setup to consistently win championships, then why has it been 15 years of what is essentially 9 win seasons? I don't think the answer is as easy as you and many others make it out to be.
 
I will also add that I am meh on Hauck and wasn't really that excited when he came back. It just seems weird how much people try to distort what the Montana program has become, into some elite program, and it has been far from that. Hauck has work to do to meet the expectations of the fanbase, but maybe the fanbase needs to take a real look at what the program currently is, and not what it was over 15 years ago.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
So unless things are exactly how you envision them, then things are not right? You are making assumptions and complaining about not winning by enough. You maybe right, and they could suck balls next year, but you might just be wrong. So how do you feel if they win 9 games next season?
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Again, I guess it would depend who we beat and who we lost to. Were we dominant? Did we sneak by a bunch of teams we should have handled?

This is a fairly common way of determining how good a team actually is. Look at Miami. They won 10 games this year, their best season in a while by a long shot. But they nearly lost to a couple very bad teams, did lose to two teams they were heavily favored to beat, missed the playoffs, and overall played in a weak conference. Their fans would tell you the season was a failure.

Asking me if I’m happy about hypothetical 9-3 season with zero added content is dumb because that’s not how it would actually be in real life.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
I will also add that I am meh on Hauck and wasn't really that excited when he came back. It just seems weird how much people try to distort what the Montana program has become, into some elite program, and it has been far from that. Hauck has work to do to meet the expectations of the fanbase, but maybe the fanbase needs to take a real look at what the program currently is, and not what it was over 15 years ago.
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Watching the cats become elite over the last 5 years certainly colors people's perceptions in a way that, perhaps justifiably, makes everything look worse than it may really be.
 
GrizRealist said:
Again, I guess it would depend who we beat and who we lost to. Were we dominant? Did we sneak by a bunch of teams we should have handled?

This is a fairly common way of determining how good a team actually is. Look at Miami. They won 10 games this year, their best season in a while by a long shot. But they nearly lost to a couple very bad teams, did lose to two teams they were heavily favored to beat, missed the playoffs, and overall played in a weak conference. Their fans would tell you the season was a failure.

Asking me if I’m happy about hypothetical 9-3 season with zero added content is dumb because that’s not how it would actually be in real life.
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So you could be all pissy about an 11 win season then...just because. Sounds like a shitty way to go through life. Seems you want to bitch just to bitch.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Then I pick last season and trajectory is up. Say what you want. You don’t understand football or the Griz. Your last 2 sentences aren’t right and the one is still a work in progress.
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I know plenty hoops. Played football much more recently than you and been involved in it basically my whole life. I don’t need anyone else telling me what I do and don’t know, but especially you. Mr “I played the game 50 years ago so I’m the only one with a football opinion that matters.”

Hauck is clearly your buddy, or at least he lets you think he is, so you’re not going to say a disparaging word about him, and good on you for being a supportive friend, but your judgement is clearly pretty biased. I’m sure you’ll say it’s not, but it’s pretty obvious to me and everyone here.

Have the day you deserve pal.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
So you could be all pissy about an 11 win season then...just because. Sounds like a shitty way to go through life. Seems you want to bitch just to bitch.
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A polish turd is still a turd. Lucking our way to 11 wins is a lot different than dominating our way to 11 wins, because one teams wins the title and one’s luck runs out when it finally faces an elite team. I’d prefer to be the one dominating opponents.
 
GrizRealist said:
A polish turd is still a turd. Lucking our way to 11 wins is a lot different than dominating our way to 11 wins, because one teams wins the title and one’s luck runs out when it finally faces an elite team. I’d prefer to be the one dominating opponents.
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Like I said, you look for fault just so you can complain. I am sure that even if the Griz win a Championship, you would find something to bitch about, it has become obvious.
 
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