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Portal and Roster Limits

uofmman1122 said:
If you truly think that recruiting has been a weak point for us, I think it's perfectly reasonable to direct criticism at the only guy who's been our recruiting coordinator for the last 12 seasons.
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Why? The recruiting coordinator doesn’t make the substantive calls.
 
horribilisfan8184 said:
Looks like legalized open field chicanery. Booster $ doing all the talking. We're back to the good 'ol days of free cars and broads. Just ask Tommy, how is that Ford truck is running these days? (Yes, I know, it's an Explorer!!!)
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Good Herder article. I would ask what’s legal downside of FCS schools not opting into the settlement? Would they not have to pay for the settlement costs? Would the plaintiffs still keep suing the FCS schools? It would seem they weren’t the culprits in not allowing money to be paid to players? Weren’t they just following ncaa rules and had no control over the ncaa? Point finger at ncaa and fbs schools. Wouldn’t plaintiffs be likely to just settle out easy. If the case was just against FCS schools, it would seem the case is much weaker and much smaller.

I suppose the ncaa hoops tourney and money is in the background. Aren’t the big schools goi g to do their own tourney sooner than later?

Can’t FCS schools with money just do most of what they want with NIL money? In future and now. Just can’t have direct NIL money control. Wink wink.

Money is ruining the competitive aspect of college moneysports.

Terrific article by Herder.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Why? The recruiting coordinator doesn’t make the substantive calls.
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True, Bobby ultimately makes the decisions on who we offer and how much, but Justin is the guy that gets us from the thousands of recruits our coaches look at to the ones that Hauck is deciding on offering. He's played a big part in shaping every class we've had since 2012.

I'm also not saying I necessarily agree with those criticisms, just that if someone were to think our recruiting has been poor, I'm surprised they've so far been reserving any criticism his direction.
 
uofmman1122 said:
True, Bobby ultimately makes the decisions on who we offer and how much, but Justin is the guy that gets us from the thousands of recruits our coaches look at to the ones that Hauck is deciding on offering. He's played a big part in shaping every class we've had since 2012.

I'm also not saying I necessarily agree with those criticisms, just that if someone were to think our recruiting has been poor, I'm surprised they've so far been reserving any criticism his direction.
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It's been strange to me, too. OC coordinates the offense and gets criticized when the offense is subpar. DC coordinates the defense and gets criticized when the defense is subpar. RC (presumably) coordinates recruiting, but people who think recruiting is subpar don't criticize him.
 
mthoopsfan said:
No team wins every recruiting battles. So is it your view that last year the Cats were losing out in recruiting and had bad coaching? UM had a better season this year than Cats did last year.

What you are missing is knowledge of the game of football and knowledge of the Griz football program.
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Of course they don’t. I’m just not going to take everything everybody says as gospel. Just because they say they aren’t losing the recruiting battles doesn’t mean they aren’t.

Yes, MSU has lost many recruiting battles and their defensive coaching was quite poor last year. You can see quite a difference between the guy before and Daly, and it’s all roughly the same players (actually if I recall correctly, they lost their best DT). So yes, much better coaching this year, and probably better player buy in.

I don’t see how you can 2024 UM had a better season than 2023 MSU. They both had their seasons end at the same point.
 
PTGrizzly said:
Of course they don’t. I’m just not going to take everything everybody says as gospel. Just because they say they aren’t losing the recruiting battles doesn’t mean they aren’t.

Yes, MSU has lost many recruiting battles and their defensive coaching was quite poor last year. You can see quite a difference between the guy before and Daly, and it’s all roughly the same players (actually if I recall correctly, they lost their best DT). So yes, much better coaching this year, and probably better player buy in.

I don’t see how you can 2024 UM had a better season than 2023 MSU. They both had their seasons end at the same point.
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UM's 2024 season was better than Cat 2024 season because Griz won a playoff game, and Cats didn't win a playoff game. And Griz had 9 wins and Cats had 8 wins. That's why. Cats were 0-1 in playoffs and Griz were 1-1. It doesn't surprise me that you can't see the difference, for reasons previously expressed.
 
mthoopsfan said:
UM's 2024 season was better than Cat 2024 season because Griz won a playoff game, and Cats didn't win a playoff game. And Griz had 9 wins and Cats had 8 wins. That's why. Cats were 0-1 in playoffs and Griz were 1-1. It doesn't surprise me that you can't see the difference, for reasons previously expressed.
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And if they had an opening round playoff game they probably win. Let’s be honest, the first round is weak competition. 2024 UM and 2023 MSU exited the playoffs in the same round. They’re equivalent seasons. UM had one more win and one more loss. Talking playoff wins without the context of a bye week just isn’t good method, but you know that.
 
PTGrizzly said:
And if they had an opening round playoff game they probably win. Let’s be honest, the first round is weak competition. 2024 UM and 2023 MSU exited the playoffs in the same round. They’re equivalent seasons. UM had one more win and one more loss. Talking playoff wins without the context of a bye week just isn’t good method, but you know that.
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Nope. A playoff win is always better than a playoff loss. A home playoff loss is bad too. The fact that you don’t know that shows your lack of football knowledge, in my view.
 
mthoopsfan said:
UM's 2024 season was better than Cat 2024 season because Griz won a playoff game, and Cats didn't win a playoff game. And Griz had 9 wins and Cats had 8 wins. That's why. Cats were 0-1 in playoffs and Griz were 1-1. It doesn't surprise me that you can't see the difference, for reasons previously expressed.
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They still had a pretty clear upward trajectory even following a first-round exit. It was pretty easy to look ahead after that loss and already know they'd open the season top 5 and be a NC contender. Thats the difference here, I think. While I'm glad UM won a playoff game and lost in the second round to the potential Champion, no one is looking at next year's Griz team the way people were looking at this year's Cat team after their playoff loss. UM is on a downward trajectory, and anyone not wearing maroon colored glasses can see that.

Also, I know you are going to twist this like a pretzel trying to refute it and saying its false, but I'm here to tell you that you're one of the few who think thinks are all fine and dandy right now.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Nope. A playoff win is always better than a playoff loss. A home playoff loss is bad too. The fact that you don’t know that shows your lack of football knowledge, in my view.
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Going to 4 of the last 5 semifinals shows you don't understand successful programs. The Griz are losing players to NAIA schools.
 
Griz Addict said:
He's the recruiting coordinator and the Griz are getting out recruited by MSU, USD, UC Davis, NDSU, SDSU, and a couple others. Griz should be pulling in a lot more talent. Who is to blame? The last time the griz truly had great all around talent was 2011. Something needs to change with the recruiting that much is obvious.
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Pretty negative slam at a program that was in the NC game but 11 months ago.
 
kemajic said:
Pretty negative slam at a program that was in the NC game but 11 months ago.
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A team in the championship 11 months ago should not be having the kind of roster issues UM is having in all fairness. When teams wind up in the title game only to go back underperforming the standard it means the stars aligned in many ways, but mostly from a personnel standpoint, during the title run. The personnel this season was inadequate and looks to be even worse next year.
 
kemajic said:
Pretty negative slam at a program that was in the NC game but 11 months ago.
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5, 4, 3, 5, 2, 5.

Those are the losses in each year since Hauck has been back.

T6, T3, T3, 6, 1, 5.

Conference finishing place since Hauck has been back.

With the context of this year, it’s beginning to look like 2023 was an aberration, especially considering how many juniors and seniors were on the 2024 team. Depth isn’t looking great. It’s a good thing 2025 is the easiest schedule in recent memory.
 
GrizRealist said:
A team in the championship 11 months ago should not be having the kind of roster issues UM is having in all fairness. When teams wind up in the title game only to go back underperforming the standard it means the stars aligned in many ways, but mostly from a personnel standpoint, during the title run. The personnel this season was inadequate and looks to be even worse next year.
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First, last season and this season are 2 completely independent things. Second, are they really underperforming based on the last 15 years or was last season the exception?
 
I don’t think it changes much. I was discussing this with a friend and he made the comment that “The Griz don’t need walk ons at Nebraska. They need the kids the Utah State and Boise State are also recruiting”. I think he was probably right.
 
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