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billingsgriz said:
If there no appeals, legal decisions can be implimented quickly. If there are appeals, the final decision can take almost forever. When was the last death-row inmate executed within thirty days of being sentenced to death ?
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Are you not aware that most of the recent changes in eligibility have come from preliminary injunctions (and this would almost certainly follow the same pattern in this case) before any appeals or do you not know what that means?

For example, the Juco lawsuit has been appealed by the NCAA, but the injunction granting another year of eligibility is still being upheld.
 
And do you not know that decisions can be stayed pending appeal and normally are and the probability of a civil stay increases with the monetary value and/or burden to one of the parties ?,
 
billingsgriz said:
And do you not know that decisions can be stayed pending appeal and normally are and the probability of a civil stay increases with the monetary value and/or burden to one of the parties ?,
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None of the injunctions against the NCAA regarding transfers, NIL, or eligibility have been stayed, why do think this one suddenly would be? They will cave like they have on every other issue that's been just like this because, as I stated above, they have no legal ground to stand on holding student athletes to a different standard than other students.
 
Yes the NCAA does have legal grounds since they are fhe governing body of collegiate sports and unlike normal students who in the overwhelming majority have to take out student loans to pay for their school, student athletes have some or all of their tuition paid for by member NCAA schools. The NCAA is unlikely to lose this case but if they do .unexpectedly lose, they will in all likelihood request the court to stay the decision pending appeal because this case involves much more $ than the JUCO case.
 
HookedonGriz said:
The Dakota schools (all of them…NDSU, UND, SDSU and USD) offer full cost of attendance to their football players. So on top of their scholarship for tuition, room and board, they get an extra $$ amount each month for living costs (rent for some, food, groceries,etc). This is around $1000/month is my understanding.

We are way behind on this. And I truly believe it’s not a coincidence that in NDSU or SDSU has won the majority of titles recently. This plays into that.
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That’s an excessive estimate. Previous reports wer $3400 per year for UND and NDSU which has shifted closer $4000 per year or about $3-350 per month.

I agree we are behind, and that adds up quickly to cover all scholarship athletes. Looking at the recent signings this year, we are closing that gap a little with NIL, but it’s definitely a tool that has helped the Dakotas elevate their programs.
 
billingsgriz said:
Yes the NCAA does have legal grounds since they are fhe governing body of collegiate sports and unlike normal students who in the overwhelming majority have to take out student loans to pay for their school, student athletes have some or all of their tuition paid for by member NCAA schools. The NCAA is unlikely to lose this case but if they do .unexpectedly lose, they will in all likelihood request the court to stay the decision pending appeal because this case involves much more $ than the JUCO case.
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You know there are academic scholarships, right?

It seems like you're just not going accept this, so it's fine.

They've lost on literally every other case, but I'm sure this is the one they'll finally win.
 
Wolf777 said:
That’s an excessive estimate. Previous reports wer $3400 per year for UND and NDSU which has shifted closer $4000 per year or about $3-350 per month.

I agree we are behind, and that adds up quickly to cover all scholarship athletes. Looking at the recent signings this year, we are closing that gap a little with NIL, but it’s definitely a tool that has helped the Dakotas elevate their programs.
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My understanding was $4000 per semester….not year. I could be wrong.
 
billingsgriz said:
And do you not know that decisions can be stayed pending appeal and normally are and the probability of a civil stay increases with the monetary value and/or burden to one of the parties ?,
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A stay pending appeal is unusual. It depends on many factors, including whether the relief at issue is legal (such as damages) or equitable (such as an injunction). The amount at issue is not typically a significant factor, except regarding the bond required for security.
 
HookedonGriz said:
My understanding was $4000 per semester….not year. I could be wrong.
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You definitely weren’t wrong about the total, just the source and referring to all of it as cost of attendance.

Here’s a pretty good breakdown from the homer on FCOA from earlier this year, which is $3-4k per year. However, he does go onto explain Alston payments for academic success that comes partially from the AD and partially from a strategic fund (at least at UND) which can total $3-6k per year. So between the two a UND athlete could be making up to $10k a year from the school.

herosports.com

FCS Daily Dose: UND & NDSU Now Have 3 Ways To "Pay" Athletes

The two FCS teams in North Dakota are showing their continued commitment and investment in athletics success.
herosports.com herosports.com
 
While we will never have the NIL money to compete with the Ohio State's, Oregon's, and Alabama's of the world, hopefully we can build up enough $ to compete with the mid-lower level Non-Power 5 FBS schools and we can start soon offering the cost of attendance and Alston fees to be more competitive with the Dakota schools !!!

The last time a Big Sky school won the NC--EWU in 2010, Barack Obama was President, Obama Bin Laden was alive and hiding in Pakistan, Queen Elizabeth was Great Britain's monarch, and the portal and NIL had not yet been developed/invented !!!
 
Correction: Osama Bin Laden--whatever your politics, Pres. Obama deserves a lot of credit for ordering the bold raid to kill the evil bastard hiding in our 'ally" Pakistan, just a few miles from Pakistan's version of West Point.
 
Sport said:
It’s hard to have any sympathy for the bobcats since they’ve pretty much owned us of late. But if you look at the number of football players who’ve entered the transfer portal it could have significant effect on next years performance. From a Griz supporter can’t say I feel all that bad for them.
But more importantly look at it from a different perspectives, which is to say that the cats took a chance on walk ons, one and 2 star recruits, invested in developing their skill levels to the point where FBS teams poached them with enticement of big dollars. Can you blame the players, many come from less than perfect home situations.
There needs to be, there has to be some form of compensation to the teams that lose the players they’ve invested time and effort in. I can only see that not to far in the future it will make FCS a farm system for the FBS.
The Griz have two players that fit into this very situation, and probably more. Gillman in football and Money Williams in basketball. Both of these players are/were pretty raw coming into the programs. If they had gone FBS out of high school they most likely would have ridden the bench the first couple of years and not been exposed to game time situations.
I don’t have to go any further, you all understand the issues. The million dollar question, how to make the system more fair and equitable to this so-called farm system we’ve become a part of?
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Pretty much owned us as of late? Can you elaborate? Aren’t we 2-2 the last 4 years, each with runner up finishes in the national championship?
 
Fight the legal battles, debate the issues, complain about the inequities, cry a river. The only hope is to band together, by together I mean the non power-five schools, all 300 of them, and bolt or threaten to bolt the antiquated and out of touch NCAA. Which use to be called the NC double A but somewhere along the way changed their name to the NCAA which by my calculations is still the NC double A.
If things don’t change college football will lose it’s support because it’s strength lies in the fans that trudge out to Mike Tillman field in -10 in Havre, Montana watch the Northern Lights take on the Carroll College Saints.
Not that I’m a left leaning liberal, I’m definitely not, but taking a page out of old Uncle Joe Biden’s script “income redistribution” is not such a bad idea.
If you poach my Junior running back for half a mil then you owe me half a mil to go and find another diamond in the rough. Fair is fair.
 
bigsky33 said:
That could be a mess and expensive with lawyers and such involved. It seems like the NCAA is on a fast track to ruining college sports.
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No one outside of the BIG and SEC will be able to compete financially and they will ultimately choose who gets in. The NCAA will die (I won't shed tears except March Madness will also die). The rest may reorganize and accept voluntary limitations on scholarships and benefits. Schmidt was talking about unions on Nuanez but most schools just can't afford what big boys will do in that regard. My feeling is competing with an NFL model is not wise ultimately. In some ways it may be better for lower tiers like UM and MW and MAC types to admit to themselves they can't play the same game and figure out a system they can afford that still provides the benefits of athletic competition.
 
Sport said:
Fight the legal battles, debate the issues, complain about the inequities, cry a river. The only hope is to band together, by together I mean the non power-five schools, all 300 of them, and bolt or threaten to bolt the antiquated and out of touch NCAA. Which use to be called the NC double A but somewhere along the way changed their name to the NCAA which by my calculations is still the NC double A.
If things don’t change college football will lose it’s support because it’s strength lies in the fans that trudge out to Mike Tillman field in -10 in Havre, Montana watch the Northern Lights take on the Carroll College Saints.
Not that I’m a left leaning liberal, I’m definitely not, but taking a page out of old Uncle Joe Biden’s script “income redistribution” is not such a bad idea.
If you poach my Junior running back for half a mil then you owe me half a mil to go and find another diamond in the rough. Fair is fair.
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The NCAA is a dead man walking now. I agree with you that whoever is left when the big dogs kick out the rest (that will be all save for 30 or 40 who can play the money game) a new body should emerge with more realistic expectations. You know the BIG and SEC are going to jigger the CFB playoff for next year, they have the leverage. They should bolt, paying 3 mill a year as a conference to atone for the sins of the big boys is insane given the NCAA is the lamest of ducks. Unfortunately the Boise State's still think they can get a fair shake in what is coming. They can't and won't. Far bigger names are in the same boat. It is lifeboat on the Titanic time but many won't admit they have already hit the iceberg.
 
Hoops watcher said:
No one outside of the BIG and SEC will be able to compete financially and they will ultimately choose who gets in. The NCAA will die (I won't shed tears except March Madness will also die). The rest may reorganize and accept voluntary limitations on scholarships and benefits. Schmidt was talking about unions on Nuanez but most schools just can't afford what big boys will do in that regard. My feeling is competing with an NFL model is not wise ultimately. In some ways it may be better for lower tiers like UM and MW and MAC types to admit to themselves they can't play the same game and figure out a system they can afford that still provides the benefits of athletic competition.
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Hold up. Are you telling me that, outside of a few Cinderella stories every so often, the same programs that have dominated CFB for 50+ years will continue to dominate CFB?
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Hold up. Are you telling me that, outside of a few Cinderella stories every so often, the same programs that have dominated CFB for 50+ years will continue to dominate CFB?
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