Pflu

[EverettGriz]

Obviously moregooder is crocked to call Robin (see what I did there??! :thumb: ) the worst coach in UM's history.

That said, I will admit that I do not understand the interest by many on this board to suddenly consider him a veritable deity. Yes, he took a team to the semis. But his two year record wasn't particularly sparkling by UM standards. And like it or not, agree with it or not, he presided over a program that incurred NCAA violations. And while I agree that many players who played for him loved him, I know of more than a handful who did not. Now, I don't think that's at all unsual; players don't (and perhaps shouldn't) always get along with their head coach.

But all things considered, I just don't understand why his firing suddenly turned him into a guy whose bust should be placed in the Hall of Champions in the eyes of many on this board.

Pflu was the haed coach during the ncaa "violations". He did not "preside" over the program. He was not head of compliance. Jean Gee was the compliance director. Engstrom was the president. I hope you don't think that the head football coach should have been overseeing "boosters" whom he had never met, for in-home meals? Do you think the head coach should monitor how players pay for legal representation or get bailed out? If anyone should, isn't that the athletic department's job?

OFFS.

I can't believe I'm even wading into an argument this ridiculously stupid (but then what argument with you isn't?). But if you've never heard the term "presiding over a program" in reference to a head coach, then you truly have never played the game. Or watched it. Or spoken to anyone who has.

Yes, it was Pflu's program. It's Engstrom's university. It was O'Day's athletic department. It was Pflu's football program. Did he cause the violations? No. Did he know about them? Evidence would suggest yes. But none of that matters because at the time he presided over the program.

 

[PlayerRep]

Obviously moregooder is crocked to call Robin (see what I did there??! :thumb: ) the worst coach in UM's history.

That said, I will admit that I do not understand the interest by many on this board to suddenly consider him a veritable deity. Yes, he took a team to the semis. But his two year record wasn't particularly sparkling by UM standards. And like it or not, agree with it or not, he presided over a program that incurred NCAA violations. And while I agree that many players who played for him loved him, I know of more than a handful who did not. Now, I don't think that's at all unsual; players don't (and perhaps shouldn't) always get along with their head coach.

But all things considered, I just don't understand why his firing suddenly turned him into a guy whose bust should be placed in the Hall of Champions in the eyes of many on this board.

Pflu was the haed coach during the ncaa "violations". He did not "preside" over the program. He was not head of compliance. Jean Gee was the compliance director. Engstrom was the president. I hope you don't think that the head football coach should have been overseeing "boosters" whom he had never met, for in-home meals? Do you think the head coach should monitor how players pay for legal representation or get bailed out? If anyone should, isn't that the athletic department's job?

OFFS.

I can't believe I'm even wading into an argument this ridiculously stupid (but then what argument with you isn't?). But if you've never heard the term "presiding over a program" in reference to a head coach, then you truly have never played the game. Or watched it. Or spoken to anyone who has.

Yes, it was Pflu's program. It's Engstrom's university. It was O'Day's athletic department. It was Pflu's football program. Did he cause the violations? No. Did he know about them? Evidence would suggest yes. But none of that matters because at the time he presided over the program.

No, it was not Pfu's football "program". He was the head coach of the team. Football coaches are not in charge of compliance. You truly don't understand college football. I know you never played the game, and at times I wonder if you even attended college.

 

[EverettGriz]

iiiieeee yiiiii yiiii....

If you Bing "coach presiding over program" here's what you get:

54,800,000 results

 

[getgrizzy]

the three worst seasons since 1986 are a direct connection to pflu. he couldn't lead a team that had gone to back to back national championships into the playoffs. then his lack of knowledge of the rules led to a 5-6 record and vacating five wins. in three seasons we went 18-13 with no playoff recognition. one year after he leaves we go 10-3. yeah, awesome f'n coach!

and we're on probation for 2014, 2015, and 2016. i'll hang that on him too.

 

[PlayerRep]

the three worst seasons since 1986 are a direct connection to pflu. he couldn't lead a team that had gone to back to back national championships into the playoffs. then his lack of knowledge of the rules led to a 5-6 record and vacating five wins. in three seasons we went 18-13 with no playoff recognition. one year after he leaves we go 10-3. yeah, awesome f'n coach!

and we're on probation for 2014, 2015, and 2016. i'll hang that on him too.

What rules did he lack knowledge on, as opposed to the compliance department?

 

[AZGrizFan]

the three worst seasons since 1986 are a direct connection to pflu. he couldn't lead a team that had gone to back to back national championships into the playoffs. then his lack of knowledge of the rules led to a 5-6 record and vacating five wins. in three seasons we went 18-13 with no playoff recognition. one year after he leaves we go 10-3. yeah, awesome f'n coach!

1986: 6-4
1987: 6-5
1990: 7-4
1991: 7-4
1992: 6-5

2010: 7-4
2011: 11-3
2012: 5-6
2013: 10-3

Not even close to a true statement.

And going 5-6 had WAAAAY more to do with not having HIS QB that HE recruited running the offense than it did any "not knowing the rules".

 

[TheBud]

I just hope that Pflugrad lands a good position that he can get his reputation back. I liked him. I liked his coaching.

 

[PlayerRep]

the three worst seasons since 1986 are a direct connection to pflu. he couldn't lead a team that had gone to back to back national championships into the playoffs. then his lack of knowledge of the rules led to a 5-6 record and vacating five wins. in three seasons we went 18-13 with no playoff recognition. one year after he leaves we go 10-3. yeah, awesome f'n coach!

1986: 6-4
1987: 6-5
1990: 7-4
1991: 7-4
1992: 6-5

2010: 7-4
2011: 11-3
2012: 5-6
2013: 10-3

Not even close to a true statement.

And going 5-6 had WAAAAY more to do with not having HIS QB that HE recruited running the offense than it did any "not knowing the rules".

Terrific post. Thanks for doing the homework.

 

[George Ferguson]

AZ, getgrizzy's calculations are actually correct. It's in the books, Montana did NOT go 11-3 in 2011. Look at ANYTHING official inside the UM offices, the Hall of Champions and anywhere else on campus. The archived schedule on Gogriz.com even now shows the vacated games. Unofficially, yes, we all know what the Griz' record that year is, but I'm guessing getgrizzy was referring to what's official, and whether fans like it or not, it's part of the Griz' overall record now, and forever will be. I will say, that for getgrizzy to associate those vacated wins with Pflu being a bad coach on the field is pretty stupid. The Griz did win those games and lit it up in most of them, and that was a direct result of Pflu's coaching ability.

As for the rest, I won't get into that debate anymore. It's totally over. Whatever side of the fence you're on in that debate, just like Don Read is NEVER coming back, Pflu is NEVER coming back so why dwell on it anymore.

 

[PlayerRep]

AZ, getgrizzy's calculations are actually correct. It's in the books, Montana did NOT go 11-3 in 2011. Look at ANYTHING official inside the UM offices, the Hall of Champions and anywhere else on campus. The archived schedule on Gogriz.com even now shows the vacated games. Unofficially, yes, we all know what the Griz' record that year is, but I'm guessing getgrizzy was referring to what's official, and whether fans like it or not, it's part of the Griz' overall record now, and forever will be. I will say, that for getgrizzy to associate those vacated wins with Pflu being a bad coach on the field is pretty stupid. The Griz did win those games and lit it up in most of them, and that was a direct result of Pflu's coaching ability.

As for the rest, I won't get into that debate anymore. It's totally over. Whatever side of the fence you're on in that debate, just like Don Read is NEVER coming back, Pflu is NEVER coming back so why dwell on it anymore.

Sorry, I can't agree with some of what you said. It actually will be forever in the minds of Griz fans that UM went to the semifinals in 2011. Not one person posting or watching egriz believes or agrees with the "official" revised record in 2011. 2011 was a terrific season. Neither the ncaa or getgrizzy can make that season anything other than terrific. And it's not about Pflu coming back; it's about Engstrom being gone.

 

[George Ferguson]

Player, I never said any Griz fan will ever like or agree with it. What I did say was, IT'S OFFICIAL according to the University of Montana's record books, according to the Big Sky Conference and according to the NCAA. I didn't say you had to like it or accept it, but OFFICIALLY, that's how it is. And it always will be. I never said anything about how Griz fans feel about it or don't feel about. In fact, I said "Unofficially, yes, we all know what the Griz' record that year is" and I also said: "The Griz did win those games and lit it up in most of them, and that was a direct result of Pflu's coaching ability." If you don't believe Montana OFFICIALLY vacated those wins in 2011, call Kent and ask him.

 

[PlayerRep]

Player, I never said any Griz fan will ever like or agree with it. What I did say was, IT'S OFFICIAL according to the University of Montana's record books, according to the Big Sky Conference and according to the NCAA. I didn't say you had to like it or accept it, but OFFICIALLY, that's how it is. And it always will be. I never said anything about how Griz fans feel about it or don't feel about. In fact, I said "Unofficially, yes, we all know what the Griz' record that year is" and I also said: "The Griz did win those games and lit it up in most of them, and that was a direct result of Pflu's coaching ability." If you don't believe Montana OFFICIALLY vacated those wins in 2011, call Kent and ask him.

Nope. Can't agree with you. gg said UM had its "worst" 3 seasons as a result of Pflu. That statement is incorrect, in my view. Then you essentially endorsed or supported the statement. If you are going to endorse/support statements made by idiots, then you are may hear from some of us who actually support Griz football. If you don't want to get jumped, think before you post.

 

[George Ferguson]

smh, Nope can't agree with you. The only part of gg's statement I "endorsed" was him referring to the Grizzlies' OFFICIAL record in 2011, which you seem to be in quite the denial about. I later went on to SAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY "for getgrizzy to associate those vacated wins with Pflu being a bad coach on the field is pretty stupid."

I'm sorry, but that was it. I did NOT endorse anything else getgrizzy said, but I will point out that Montana DID in fact vacate five wins in 2011. IT IS A HISTORICAL FACT! And while I don't like it and was miserable for a long time about it, it doesn't change that it is indeed a now historical fact according to the University of Montana, the Big Sky Conference and the NCAA, of which the University of Montana plays football under.

And I also never said I didn't like getting jumped about something I post. I have never been afraid of "getting jumped" on here, as I think my posting history will show.

 

[PlayerRep]

smh, Nope can't agree with you. The only part of gg's statement I "endorsed" was him referring to the Grizzlies' OFFICIAL record in 2011, which you seem to be in quite the denial about. I later went on to SAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY "for getgrizzy to associate those vacated wins with Pflu being a bad coach on the field is pretty stupid."

I'm sorry, but that was it. I did NOT endorse anything else getgrizzy said, but I will point out that Montana DID in fact vacate five wins in 2011. IT IS A HISTORICAL FACT! And while I don't like it and was miserable for a long time about it, it doesn't change that it is indeed a now historical fact according to the University of Montana, the Big Sky Conference and the NCAA, of which the University of Montana plays football under.

And I also never said I didn't like getting jumped about something I post. I have never been afraid of "getting jumped" on here, as I think my posting history will show.

I see your post has now grown from "smh". Change of heart?

It's true, I don't accept that UM's record in 2011 was anything another than 11-3 and a narrow loss at SHS. If you want to endorse and accept the ncaa and it's actions, go for it. The ncaa is a corrupt and illegitimate organization in my view. It is actually "historical fact" that UM was 11-3 in 2011. I don't agree with the usage of your terms "historical" or "fact". In my view, it is actually a historical fact that UM was 11-3 in 2011.

Yes, you did endorse/support gg. Don't insult us with your nonsense.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I guess it's a historical fact that there was no BCS Championship in 2005. Strange because I feel like I remember watching it.

 

[PlayerRep]

Hav, I'll make this easy and simple. Two questions.

Do you think 2011 was one of the "worst" UM seasons since 1986, or whatever year gg picked?

Do you think 2011 was the "worst" UM season since 1986?

 

[George Ferguson]

NOPE I don't think either of those things, and you can go back and reread, our little tiff here, because I never said either. you reading something else into what i DID say is not my problem. The ONLY thing I SAID about getgrizzy's post was that Montana had five games taken away by the NCAA and that the record books show that. I Said, nothing else about getgrizzy's post, well, except the part where i DID call him stupid for saying Robin was a bad coach.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The only thing I can surmise from this thread is that Pflu stole getgrizzly's girl in high school. Dude has a hard spot for Pflu like nobody I've ever seen. He's been gone for two years now...probably could use some closure.

 

[GrizPony]

If the sanctions were to be reduced or revisited and changed, would you hear a tree fall in the woods? :?

 

[PlayerRep]

NOPE I don't think either of those things, and you can go back and reread, our little tiff here, because I never said either. you reading something else into what i DID say is not my problem. The ONLY thing I SAID about getgrizzy's post was that Montana had five games taken away by the NCAA and that the record books show that. I Said, nothing else about getgrizzy's post, well, except the part where i DID call him stupid for saying Robin was a bad coach.

Okay, I'm good on this. You're still one of the best posters on egriz, and I appreciate all of your posts. Merry Xmas.