Patrick LeCorre

[getgrizzy]

Did he de-commit without informing the coaching staff? Could have, but since he's a walk on he wasn't obligated to. I don't think Ash's comment was about walk ons. It was about players who verbally commit to a scholarship, then de-commit without informing the coaches. It isn't asking a lot and it's a reasonable request. If a player wants to continue to shop himself around he should inform the school he verbally committed to, so that team can continue to offer that scholarship to other players. On the other hand coaches shouldn't offer a ride to a player and then pull it to give to someone else. If a school wants to shop that scholarship around it should inform the player immediately. I don't know how often it happens, but it seems to be happening more than it used to or else the media is just finding out about it more often. Everyone just needs to make good choices and do the right thing. I think they teach that in kindergarten.

At least you can agree that Coach Ron Ash is full of shit, though, right? Or are you just the most obvious Cat troll in history?

No. Ash is spot on in his explanation of what's happening. You either don't know what he said or don't want to know. Ash, like most coaches doesn't like to lose players that verbally commit, but understands that they can change their minds. He's asking that they inform the team that they've re-opened their recruitment so the team can pursue other players instead of thinking that scholarship is tied up.

If you secure a date to the prom and your date then accepts another date and doesn't tell you until weeks later and just days before the prom and you have several other girls you could've asked and who would've gone with you, but you turned them all down because someone had already accepted your offer you can't tell me you wouldn't be a tad pissed. It's the same thing only in this case thousands of dollars are at stake. Coaches need to reciprocate that in kind. It's called common courtesy or the golden rule. If you know what that is.

The fact that I can easily understand what he's clearly saying doesn't make me a troll.

Didn't Montana get a new coach, who then offered said player a scholarship, who then informed the Cat coaches he was going to accept the other scholarship, then informed Griz coaches he would accept the scholarship? Refresh my memory on the Ash recruiting of Brekke? Didn't Brekke commit to UM, then after talking to Ash switch his commitment in late December? Please compare and contrast in from a purely "objective" viewpoint.Explain how Ash/Brekke followed the golden rule, but Stitt/Daum did not.

Ash didnt say which player or players he was talking about this past year. Brekke did inform Delaney that he was re-opening his recruitment. He didn't commit to MSU until several weeks after de-committing from us.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

He was talking about Austin Webb.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Yes, where's the outrage from Coach Ron Ash??!??!

Did he de-commit without informing the coaching staff? Could have, but since he's a walk on he wasn't obligated to. I don't think Ash's comment was about walk ons. It was about players who verbally commit to a scholarship, then de-commit without informing the coaches. It isn't asking a lot and it's a reasonable request. If a player wants to continue to shop himself around he should inform the school he verbally committed to, so that team can continue to offer that scholarship to other players. On the other hand coaches shouldn't offer a ride to a player and then pull it to give to someone else. If a school wants to shop that scholarship around it should inform the player immediately. I don't know how often it happens, but it seems to be happening more than it used to or else the media is just finding out about it more often. Everyone just needs to make good choices and do the right thing. I think they teach that in kindergarten.

At least you can agree that Coach Ron Ash is full of shit, though, right? Or are you just the most obvious Cat troll in history?

No. Ash is spot on in his explanation of what's happening. You either don't know what he said or don't want to know. Ash, like most coaches doesn't like to lose players that verbally commit, but understands that they can change their minds. He's asking that they inform the team that they've re-opened their recruitment so the team can pursue other players instead of thinking that scholarship is tied up.

If you secure a date to the prom and your date then accepts another date and doesn't tell you until weeks later and just days before the prom and you have several other girls you could've asked and who would've gone with you, but you turned them all down because someone had already accepted your offer you can't tell me you wouldn't be a tad pissed. It's the same thing only in this case thousands of dollars are at stake. Coaches need to reciprocate that in kind. It's called common courtesy or the golden rule. If you know what that is.

The fact that I can easily understand what he's clearly saying doesn't make me a troll.

So, the most obvious Cat troll in history. Got it. :thumb:

 

[statler & waldorf]

Rechecked some sources. A lot of you know this, so bear with me. Last year, UI signed a four year contract with the Sun Belt for a four year deal starting 7-1-14, with a provisión to extend or terminate the contract after two years. UI AD Spear stated success in football is crucial for continuing at FBS level. Fullerton stated he expect, and desired Idaho back in the BSC "in the near future." He said that last year. Sun Belt has membership problems, mentioning several REGIONAL FCS schools as replacements(JMU & Liberty being highly regarded)citing long distance travél costs, and the importance of regional rivalries as important criteria for membership. Idaho, who won one game last year, was not mentioned. The importance of FBS income was key to Idaho's desire to continúe FBS football. This year, USC and Auburn will put a total of $2,100,000 in UIs bank account. Next year, they are scheduled to play Washington and Washington State(for less money). I wonder what the Sun Belt's marginal utility is for keeping Idaho as a football only member.

 

[getgrizzy]

He was talking about Austin Webb.

A quick google search shows Webb (Scout 2-star) switched from MSU to Hawaii two days before signing day. That's probably what irked Ash.

 

[garizzalies]

switched from MSU to Hawaii

Anyone who complains about a kid's decision to make that switch is obviously a douche of epic proportions

 

[CDAGRIZ]

He was talking about Austin Webb.

A quick google search shows Webb (Scout 2-star) switched from MSU to Hawaii two days before signing day. That's probably what irked Ash.

Kid permissibly changed his mind, so Ron Ash does his usual whining. I've honestly never heard of a less player-oriented coach. Kids decommit all the time. It's part of recruiting. It's almost like Ron Ash doesn't know how to be a DI coach.

 

[HookedonGriz]

He knows all about de-commitment! Just ask the UNDSU Buffs-Bison in dat der Fargo . It's funny when it benefits him and his team he has no problem with commitment

 

[bgbigdog]

He was talking about Austin Webb.

A quick google search shows Webb (Scout 2-star) switched from MSU to Hawaii two days before signing day. That's probably what irked Ash.

It's almost like Ron Ash doesn't know how to be a DI coach.

Almost?

 

[Bear Axed]

Ron Ash wins almost any cry baby contest.......It's about the only thing he's ever been consistent at winning


we'll except in November........he has a hard time winning anything in november

 

[getgrizzy]

He was talking about Austin Webb.

A quick google search shows Webb (Scout 2-star) switched from MSU to Hawaii two days before signing day. That's probably what irked Ash.

Kid permissibly changed his mind, so Ron Ash does his usual whining. I've honestly never heard of a less player-oriented coach. Kids decommit all the time. It's part of recruiting. It's almost like Ron Ash doesn't know how to be a DI coach.

The player didn't de-commit. He committed to another school without informing the school he originally committed to that he was still shopping himself to other schools. It wouldn't be difficult to correct.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

He was talking about Austin Webb.

A quick google search shows Webb (Scout 2-star) switched from MSU to Hawaii two days before signing day. That's probably what irked Ash.

Kid permissibly changed his mind, so Ron Ash does his usual whining. I've honestly never heard of a less player-oriented coach. Kids decommit all the time. It's part of recruiting. It's almost like Ron Ash doesn't know how to be a DI coach.

The player didn't de-commit. He committed to another school without informing the school he originally committed to that he was still shopping himself to other schools. It wouldn't be difficult to correct.

You know he was actively shopping himself? You know the Hawaii coach didn't decide to finally offer him something after he committed to MSU? Kids leverage verbals this way all the time the same way grad students apply to schools they have intention to attend: to get something from the school they actually want to attend.

It's not hard to understand, and it's part of the game at this level. Especially for borderline FCS/FBS players. Ron just needs to grow up and adapt.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

It is a part of the game. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be changes.

The best part of the proposal though, at least in my eyes, is twofold; it clears the muddy water for the kids as to whether they actually have an offer or not, and also for the coaching staffs on whether a guy is actually committed.

“It would cut all the (crap) out of it. All those people who think they have offers would find out that they really don’t have offers. You know, if somebody walked in your school and said ‘You have an offer,’ the kid could say ‘OK, where is it? I’m ready to sign it.’ This would stop all this foolishness. “

“It would work the same way with the kids saying ‘Yeah, coach, I’m committed.’ The college says ‘OK, here’s your scholarship. Sign it.’ The kid says ‘Well, I don’t want to sign right now.’ Well then that kid is not committed. If a kid didn’t want to sign, they wouldn’t sign. And if he did sign, it’s binding. It would stop all this ‘He’s a soft commit.’ It’s not a commit, it’s a reservation.’”

http://footballscoop.com/news/growing-number-coaches-want-away-signing-day-altogether/

 

[getgrizzy]

A quick google search shows Webb (Scout 2-star) switched from MSU to Hawaii two days before signing day. That's probably what irked Ash.

Kid permissibly changed his mind, so Ron Ash does his usual whining. I've honestly never heard of a less player-oriented coach. Kids decommit all the time. It's part of recruiting. It's almost like Ron Ash doesn't know how to be a DI coach.

The player didn't de-commit. He committed to another school without informing the school he originally committed to that he was still shopping himself to other schools. It wouldn't be difficult to correct.

You know he was actively shopping himself? You know the Hawaii coach didn't decide to finally offer him something after he committed to MSU? Kids leverage verbals this way all the time the same way grad students apply to schools they have intention to attend: to get something from the school they actually want to attend.

It's not hard to understand, and it's part of the game at this level. Especially for borderline FCS/FBS players. Ron just needs to grow up and adapt.

Players tell coaches all the time that they're still hoping to get another offer. It's called a soft verbal. That allows coaches to continue to shop that scholarship to other players. What you describe happens rarely, but often enough to bother coaches. Almost every coach that has gone through this doesn't like it. Understandably.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I don't disagree with the above two posts.
Funny how most coaches who hate this process are able to refrain from calling THE KID out about it. getgrizzy, you can at least admit that wasnt a classy move by your coaching staff, right?

 

[getgrizzy]

I don't disagree with the above two posts.
Funny how most coaches who hate this process are able to refrain from calling THE KID out about it. getgrizzy, you can at least admit that wasnt a classy move by your coaching staff, right?

He's not my coach. He didn't call the kid out. It seems fairly obvious that Webb is one of the players he's talking about. I'm sure there have been others and I'm also sure hes talked to other coaches that have experienced the same thing.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

“I want to get on my soap box for a minute since I have the stage and talk about the word commitment,” Ash said. “The recruiting process is brutal. It’s excruciating and very challenging for the recruits and the coaches alike. The decisions are very difficult and life-changing for both parties, but in the end, when scholarships are involved, once we get to Signing Day, we have to have a scholarship for each player we’ve promised one to. The only way we can do that is we have to make a commitment to them. We will have money for them on signing day. This can’t just be a one-way street. We can’t have a system in place where recruits can commit to schools in order to save themselves a scholarship an then continue to shop themselves around to other schools looking for a better offer. As coaches and educators of the youth of America, we need to teach these young men that a commitment is a commitment. They need to stick to their commitment if they make one or they need to be honest and declare that they are still open for recruitment. On our side of the deal, we need to honor commitments as coaches when they are made by recruits to other schools so that we can move on to other players and let them be committed. Without honor, our profession and our sport will become tarnished. We are passing on the wrong lessons to the men we are about to bring under our guidance. I intend to pursue this message in all my future professional gatherings, business meetings, national meetings, conventions and so forth. I am going to ask for the support of my coaching colleagues from around the country that we are sending the wrong message and that error needs to be corrected. That commitment is a commitment.”

 

[getgrizzy]

“I want to get on my soap box for a minute since I have the stage and talk about the word commitment,” Ash said. “The recruiting process is brutal. It’s excruciating and very challenging for the recruits and the coaches alike. The decisions are very difficult and life-changing for both parties, but in the end, when scholarships are involved, once we get to Signing Day, we have to have a scholarship for each player we’ve promised one to. The only way we can do that is we have to make a commitment to them. We will have money for them on signing day. This can’t just be a one-way street. We can’t have a system in place where recruits can commit to schools in order to save themselves a scholarship an then continue to shop themselves around to other schools looking for a better offer. As coaches and educators of the youth of America, we need to teach these young men that a commitment is a commitment. They need to stick to their commitment if they make one or they need to be honest and declare that they are still open for recruitment. On our side of the deal, we need to honor commitments as coaches when they are made by recruits to other schools so that we can move on to other players and let them be committed. Without honor, our profession and our sport will become tarnished. We are passing on the wrong lessons to the men we are about to bring under our guidance. I intend to pursue this message in all my future professional gatherings, business meetings, national meetings, conventions and so forth. I am going to ask for the support of my coaching colleagues from around the country that we are sending the wrong message and that error needs to be corrected. That commitment is a commitment.”

My main reason for backing Ash isn't because I like his idea, but it's to try to curtail all the posts about the cats that invade nearly every thread.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I don't disagree with the above two posts.
Funny how most coaches who hate this process are able to refrain from calling THE KID out about it. getgrizzy, you can at least admit that wasnt a classy move by your coaching staff, right?

He's not my coach. He didn't call the kid out. It seems fairly obvious that Webb is one of the players he's talking about. I'm sure there have been others and I'm also sure hes talked to other coaches that have experienced the same thing.

Mmmmmkay . . .

 

[CDAGRIZ]

“I want to get on my soap box for a minute since I have the stage and talk about the word commitment,” Ash said. “The recruiting process is brutal. It’s excruciating and very challenging for the recruits and the coaches alike. The decisions are very difficult and life-changing for both parties, but in the end, when scholarships are involved, once we get to Signing Day, we have to have a scholarship for each player we’ve promised one to. The only way we can do that is we have to make a commitment to them. We will have money for them on signing day. This can’t just be a one-way street. We can’t have a system in place where recruits can commit to schools in order to save themselves a scholarship an then continue to shop themselves around to other schools looking for a better offer. As coaches and educators of the youth of America, we need to teach these young men that a commitment is a commitment. They need to stick to their commitment if they make one or they need to be honest and declare that they are still open for recruitment. On our side of the deal, we need to honor commitments as coaches when they are made by recruits to other schools so that we can move on to other players and let them be committed. Without honor, our profession and our sport will become tarnished. We are passing on the wrong lessons to the men we are about to bring under our guidance. I intend to pursue this message in all my future professional gatherings, business meetings, national meetings, conventions and so forth. I am going to ask for the support of my coaching colleagues from around the country that we are sending the wrong message and that error needs to be corrected. That commitment is a commitment.”

My main reason for backing Ash isn't because I like his idea, but it's to try to curtail all the posts about the cats that invade nearly every thread.

Maybe stop fucking posting about the Cats then? Just a thought. Oh, wait, you won't. That's right. Because anti-UM posts or pro-MSU posts are pretty much all you do. So fucking obvious.