One Woman's View

[wbtfg]

I just noticed that tomorrow is the Annual "Walk a mile in her shoes" day where generally a number of football players have walked a mile in high heels to support the Student Assault Resource Center (SARC).

I would think this would probably be a good PR move for football players to participate in.

It appears no athletes showed up for the event this year.

 

[PlayerRep]

I just noticed that tomorrow is the Annual "Walk a mile in her shoes" day where generally a number of football players have walked a mile in high heels to support the Student Assault Resource Center (SARC).

I would think this would probably be a good PR move for football players to participate in.

It appears no athletes showed up for the event this year.

Why would they, given the witch hunt in Missoula against male athletes?

 

[wbtfg]

I just noticed that tomorrow is the Annual "Walk a mile in her shoes" day where generally a number of football players have walked a mile in high heels to support the Student Assault Resource Center (SARC).

I would think this would probably be a good PR move for football players to participate in.

It appears no athletes showed up for the event this year.

Why would they, given the witch hunt in Missoula against male athletes?

Because they've done it in previous years, and it's advertised on gogriz.com as being one of the many Gris in the Community outreach events that athletes take part in. In fact, I think Bobby Hauck was one of the keynote speakers at this event a few years ago. I think this would have been a good opportunity to reach out to the campus community to let them know that male athletes aren't what is being portrayed in the newspaper.

That said, I certainly understand this year is different from previous years and why they would want to isolate themselves and batten down the hatches to avoid any ambush attempts by women's groups or media outlets in attendance.

I was just curious which direction the Athletic Dept. would choose to go on this one.

P.S. Brint educated me earlier today that it's a lynch mob, not a witch hunt.

 

[greasewood]

In the article the female says she drank so much she blacked out & has no memory of events after the blackout. Does that mean she doesn't remember participating in consensual sex? Or that she was raped? She may have not been a victim, just a horny drunk who has no memory of the act.

Then maybe she woke up, realized what had happened & started feeling guilty. She may be a nice girl, but maybe her drinking is the problem. Maybe they weren't rapes or sexual assaults.

 

[mcg]

In the article the female says she drank so much she blacked out & has no memory of events after the blackout. Does that mean she doesn't remember participating in consensual sex? Or that she was raped? She may have not been a victim, just a horny drunk who has no memory of the act.

Then maybe she woke up, realized what had happened & started feeling guilty. She may be a nice girl, but maybe her drinking is the problem. Maybe they weren't rapes or sexual assaults.

I gotta say, alcohol abuse is the common denominator in nearly all these kind of situations. Something needs to be done, but I don't what that is.

 

[MooUBaby]

Guilt complex???....many guys (and girls) have been with others that are dressed "sexy", or underdressed. They have probably at times taken advantage of the situation, and obviously you would not want to call it rape if you participated.

When I was in Butte, at the dorms, for St Patricks Day one year...a couple guys brought a woman back that was very drunk. Multiple men (I heard 6-8) enjoyed her company for the evening. I would guess that now (and maybe then)it could be classified as rape. She had no clue what was going on, and luckily my roommate brought her back to our room so she could just sleep. In the morning the girl, had no idea where she was or what had happened to her the night before. She wrongly assumed she had come back with one of us. And yes she was underdressed.

Is that rape? Or just a girl that had consumed to much alcohol and to many individuals took advantage of her situation? It can be a fine line, but no father would want his daughter in that situation no matter which line it fell over.

Don't care who you are, that right there is incriminating... :roll: Ooops, might want to tap the breaks before you posts things like that again.

 

[ilovethecats]

ya think?!

hang around this board a little while and you will see just how right you are...

so why are you here??

why shouldn't i be? and what does that have to do with idiot posters from ndsu posting here? geeze, it's a shame "butte tough" has to come with "butte smart". :clap:

Griz Envy, nothing new. Enjoy your stay.

will do. does this mean we'll be having beers in missoula this fall? :thumb:

 

[1976griz]

It could reach the point where unhappy wives and lonely mistresses would embrace the new definition of rape. So guys, watch yourselves, you may be the next man charged with rape!

 

[cclarkblues]

It could reach the point where unhappy wives and lonely mistresses would embrace the new definition of rape. So guys, watch yourselves, you may be the next man charged with rape!

Sheep never talk.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

How about teaching people not to become rapists or child abductors?

How do you teach someone how to not become a rapist or child abductor?

By teaching them morals

 

[snap]

This whole thing has become a witch mob on a lynch hunt.

 

[GrizPony]

No room for that in our NEA liberalized schools. Morals might be too close to religion and other demonic theories.

 

[tnt]

I just noticed that tomorrow is the Annual "Walk a mile in her shoes" day where generally a number of football players have walked a mile in high heels to support the Student Assault Resource Center (SARC).

I would think this would probably be a good PR move for football players to participate in.

Wouldn't it have been but alas not one showed up, nor any other athlete.... According to the interim AD "they were all Busy" even Engstrom found time.

 

[bisonboone11]

In the article the female says she drank so much she blacked out & has no memory of events after the blackout. Does that mean she doesn't remember participating in consensual sex? Or that she was raped? She may have not been a victim, just a horny drunk who has no memory of the act.

Then maybe she woke up, realized what had happened & started feeling guilty. She may be a nice girl, but maybe her drinking is the problem. Maybe they weren't rapes or sexual assaults.

I believe that according to the law, if you are intoxicated, then you can't properly give consent, and it can be considered rape.

 

['68griz]

No room for that in our NEA liberalized schools. Morals might be too close to religion and other demonic theories.

Morals shouldn't/can't be taught in the schools. Teachers are not the people responsible for the morals of the students in their classes; parents are. Proper behavior and morals need to be taught at home, and that's where the failure rate seems to be awfully high these days.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I have a little bit different take on this. I think if you want to teach your kids decency and respect, you can't do it in a lecture format. You can only do it by example. So if you want to teach your sons to respect women, the best way is to try to set an example by demonstrating respect towards their mother.

 

[bisonboone11]

I have a little bit different take on this. I think if you want to teach your kids decency and respect, you can't do it in a lecture format. You can only do it by example. So if you want to teach your sons to respect women, the best way is to try to set an example by demonstrating respect towards their mother.

I completely agree. You can tell them all you want, but if you don't back it up with your actions, they probably won't listen. And that kind of worries me about some of the people in here. If they have children, I hope they aren't acting like what they are saying - that as long as a girl is drunk and/or dressed in certain clothes, you can do whatever you want to her.

 

[griz4life]

This entire campus debate, like so many others taken up by people with few real life situations to fall back on, has become way too driven by ideals. Sure, a drunk person should never be sexually assaulted. But no person should ever get hammered and expect society to be their responsible baby sitter, especially a society of drunken college kids. You wouldn't jump in a car with a drunk, but jumping in the sack with one absolves you of all responsibility of personal risk? Sure, no should always mean no, but it works a lot better before consenting to oral sex, which is considered intercourse by law.
During this entire debate, the issue of personal responsibility by all parties has been buried, which is a shame.

 

[tnt]

....During this entire debate, the issue of personal responsibility by all parties has been buried, which is a shame.

Actually it has been ALL about personal responsibility. The players are told from Day one that they are to have a higher level as they are who represent the university to the public. The Athletic department entrusted to provide the leadership to make that happen.

Despite what some would like to think, most students don't engage in recreational sex, most male students would never get into one of these situations no matter how drunk they were and most students look out for one another to make sure these things don't happen.

"Way too driven by ideals" that is about the sickest thing i have heard yet. Its wonder we have problems.

 

[EastCoastGriz]

....During this entire debate, the issue of personal responsibility by all parties has been buried, which is a shame.

Actually it has been ALL about personal responsibility. The players are told from Day one that they are to have a higher level as they are who represent the university to the public. The Athletic department entrusted to provide the leadership to make that happen.

Despite what some would like to think, most students don't engage in recreational sex, most male students would never get into one of these situations no matter how drunk they were and most students look out for one another to make sure these things don't happen.

"Way too driven by ideals" that is about the sickest thing i have heard yet. Its wonder we have problems.

Most high school students are having recreational sex.