OK Tinkle lovers. Justify his existence please.

[robomomo]

UM mens athletics will never be the same until the school stops hiring unqualified cronies (Nauck, O'Day, Tinkle) to fill its key positions. None of them would be seriously considered by other schools for the jobs they were hired for at UM. We suffer because of this.

Never be the same as what?? You completely negate any credibility you may have when you include Hauck as an example of failure. Winning the Big Sky every year, undefeated regular seasons, etc. are not what most people would define as the result of an "unqualified" hire. It is amazing how spoiled Griz football fans are. :twocents:

agree wholeheartedly. Hauck reminds me more of Roy Williams when he was at Kansas. Good coach with great talent but could not win the big game. Tinkle reminds me of corky from life goes on.

 

[griz5700]

The game was not a disgrace. We got clobbered, but not a disgrace. Some of the Griz so-called fans are disgraces, tho.

are you F-ing kidding. You are disillusioned. If the Griz lose to a top 10 team by 50 that's getting clobbered. If you lose by 50 to a BSC team that's beyond a disgrace.

Exactly. No way this team should lose to anyone in the nation by 50. Embrassing to say the least.

 

[GrizWhiz]

The game was not a disgrace. We got clobbered, but not a disgrace. Some of the Griz so-called fans are disgraces, tho.

are you F-ing kidding. You are disillusioned. If the Griz lose to a top 10 team by 50 that's getting clobbered. If you lose by 50 to a BSC team that's beyond a disgrace.

Actually, I am disillusioned as I suspect you also are. PlayerRep is clearly not disillusioned. I doubt he is delusional either although I don't share his optimism. :thumb:

 

[AllWeatherFan]

A 50-point loss is unacceptable. When your opponent shoots 68% from the field, you should only lose by 35, tops.

 

[PlayerRep]

GrizWhiz, I am actually very disallusioned with Robo.

AllWeather is completely right. Had not we not had such a poor shooting night, we would have lost by less than 35.

I made my reservations tonight for Portland. Perhaps disallusioned.

 

[gman8424]

One thing I absolutely despise is "I told you so's." I told all of you at the beginning of the season that WT might be a good recruiter but he just doesn't have the motivational, insight and vision, and teaching tools that a basketball coach needs in order to put out a winning product. WT inherited LK's talent and was not able to get the same effort and success out of it. WT is no better as a coach as Pat Kennedy or Don Holst. Sorry to say but I told you so.

 

[BARN BALL]

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[Sudzilla]

One thing I absolutely despise is "I told you so's." I told all of you at the beginning of the season that WT might be a good recruiter but he just doesn't have the motivational, insight and vision, and teaching tools that a basketball coach needs in order to put out a winning product. WT inherited LK's talent and was not able to get the same effort and success out of it. WT is no better as a coach as Pat Kennedy or Don Holst. Sorry to say but I told you so.

Last I checked, the seasons not over.

Furthermore Gboy8424, whos to say LK's "talent" was that great in the first place. I might remind you that he (LK) left the same year as Criswell and Matthews, leaving the current regime with little, or nothing, in terms of a backcourt.

If you have no faith in Tinx, whom might you suggest? You really think the Griz can do better? I seriously doubt it.

 

['68griz]

UM won't know if they could have done better than Tinkle because they never looked....

 

[Turd Ferguson]

One thing I absolutely despise is "I told you so's." I told all of you at the beginning of the season that WT might be a good recruiter but he just doesn't have the motivational, insight and vision, and teaching tools that a basketball coach needs in order to put out a winning product. WT inherited LK's talent and was not able to get the same effort and success out of it. WT is no better as a coach as Pat Kennedy or Don Holst. Sorry to say but I told you so.

Last I checked, the seasons not over.

Furthermore Gboy8424, whos to say LK's "talent" was that great in the first place. I might remind you that he (LK) left the same year as Criswell and Matthews, leaving the current regime with little, or nothing, in terms of a backcourt.

If you have no faith in Tinx, whom might you suggest? You really think the Griz can do better? I seriously doubt it.

That's pretty ridiculous. The guy won the conference in 2 our of 2 seasons as coach, and won the first NCAA tournament game for the Big Sky in like 10 years, and you're trying to dumb down his credentials to make Tinkle look more competent? Wow.

Left UM with little or nothing as a backcourt? How about Bryan Ellis ( A true PG, a lack of one is the excuse many have made for this year's team), Matt Martin, Stuart Mayes, Cam Rundles (a legit 3-star recruit, freshman of the year)

http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=30375

He recruited Ryan Staudacher

http://hswashington.scout.com/a.z?s=230&p=8&c=1&nid=1542080

Zach Graves?

In no way should LK be blamed for the current struggles or should his coaching ability be questioned solely because he left for the NBA after 2 years.

This is a fundamental difference between UM football fans and UM basketball fans I have noticed. Football fans expect the current coaches to carry on the tradition of the program and demand success and when they struggle they are not satisfied. When the basketball team struggles fans make excuses. This "Ho hum, gee whiz, well nobody else would want to coach here" attitude is almost laughable.

What's the difference between Wayne Tinkle and Rob Phenicie? Wayne Tinkle has a larger network of personal friends in the Missoula area and UM alumni.

 

[Sudzilla]

One thing I absolutely despise is "I told you so's." I told all of you at the beginning of the season that WT might be a good recruiter but he just doesn't have the motivational, insight and vision, and teaching tools that a basketball coach needs in order to put out a winning product. WT inherited LK's talent and was not able to get the same effort and success out of it. WT is no better as a coach as Pat Kennedy or Don Holst. Sorry to say but I told you so.

Last I checked, the seasons not over.

Furthermore Gboy8424, whos to say LK's "talent" was that great in the first place. I might remind you that he (LK) left the same year as Criswell and Matthews, leaving the current regime with little, or nothing, in terms of a backcourt.

If you have no faith in Tinx, whom might you suggest? You really think the Griz can do better? I seriously doubt it.

That's pretty ridiculous. The guy won the conference in 2 our of 2 seasons as coach, and won the first NCAA tournament game for the Big Sky in like 10 years, and you're trying to dumb down his credentials to make Tinkle look more competent? Wow.

Left UM with little or nothing as a backcourt? How about Bryan Ellis ( A true PG, a lack of one is the excuse many have made for this year's team), Matt Martin, Stuart Mayes, Cam Rundles (a legit 3-star recruit, freshman of the year)

http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=30375

He recruited Ryan Staudacher

http://hswashington.scout.com/a.z?s=230&p=8&c=1&nid=1542080

Zach Graves?

In no way should LK be blamed for the current struggles or should his coaching ability be questioned solely because he left for the NBA after 2 years.

This is a fundamental difference between UM football fans and UM basketball fans I have noticed. Football fans expect the current coaches to carry on the tradition of the program and demand success and when they struggle they are not satisfied. When the basketball team struggles fans make excuses. This "Ho hum, gee whiz, well nobody else would want to coach here" attitude is almost laughable.

What's the difference between Wayne Tinkle and Rob Phenicie? Wayne Tinkle has a larger network of personal friends in the Missoula area and UM alumni.

You misunderstood me.. I dont blame LK for anything.. All I mean is LK left when the leaving was good.. Youre absolutely kidding yourself if you dont think Criswell was the catalyst for those teams, and when he graduated, the void to fill was way too much for anyone to handle, let alone a Freshman. Were there others there to help fill the void, yes, but sometimes kids just dont pan out like coaches/fans/etc. expect them to. The way I see it, the main thing lacking for the Griz is LEADERSHIP. I refer to a player, not a coach. There isnt one kid out there that wants to take over the team. That is a problem.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

Actually, Rundles wants to take over the team. Heard he's been trying from the very beginning to be the catalyst and get guys fired up. Probably is the upper classmen have trouble listening to a sophomore, especially one having the troubles he's had.

 

[BWahlberg]

Actually, Rundles wants to take over the team. Heard he's been trying from the very beginning to be the catalyst and get guys fired up. Probably is the upper classmen have trouble listening to a sophomore, especially one having the troubles he's had.

That will help define him though, if he stays strong as a leader through the ups and downs. Recently I heard a quote on leadership, "When times are good people tend to lead from the back, when times are bad people lead from the front." If Cam stays in the "front" then he'll earn that respect.

 

[fanofzoo]

PlayerRep says we only got clobbered.

The game I went to we got our asses kicked by 50! by a BSC team!

That is the worst ever in our history!

PlayerRep what you smokin?

 

[info]

I watched who SHOULD be our new coach Monday night in Yakima...Sugar Ray..that's right, the name we all remember as a great player is a BETTER coach, the ball is in the post every possesion and for a pro team they move the ball and share it better than I have seen in most college clubs. He chews ass when someone screws up and works the officials as well/better than Caoch K did...he is the real deal on the bench just as he was on the floor...

 

[PlayerRep]

FofZ, what was the worst in history? Describe the law loss as you see fit. Do you eally think there is a big difference between getting clobbered and getting asses kicked? I'm fine with either, but after seeing what you said about DVJ, I wonder if you know much about the game. What DVJ did doesn't rank in the top 100 things that caused the loss. Do you think how UM played caused PSU to shoot 70% against the Cats on Thurs night? PSU was on fire this weekend. They could have beaten or played with anyone in the PAC-10 in those two games.

 

[mporter]

They could have beaten or played with anyone in the PAC-10 in those two games.

Any team in the Big Sky can beat Oregon State any given night of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[mtgrizrule]

FofZ, what was the worst in history? Describe the law loss as you see fit. Do you eally think there is a big difference between getting clobbered and getting asses kicked? I'm fine with either, but after seeing what you said about DVJ, I wonder if you know much about the game. What DVJ did doesn't rank in the top 100 things that caused the loss. Do you think how UM played caused PSU to shoot 70% against the Cats on Thurs night? PSU was on fire this weekend. They could have beaten or played with anyone in the PAC-10 in those two games.

I have to agree with playerRep on this one. They way PSU shot they could have ran with most teams in the country this past weekend. It would not have been as big a blowout, but similar to the GRIZ beating Stanford a few years back. I have seen plenty of basketball, and any team playing the way PSU did then could hang with anyone. However, like any BSC team, come tourney time that is how they have to play in the NCAAS to even manage 1 upset. Right now, PSU is truely clicking on all cylinders, which is what teams are supposed to be doing this time of year. Our Question is, "Which GRIZ team shows up for however many games we have this year?"

The good GRIZ team should play in the BSC championship. The BAD GRIZ get blown out by ISU. Your guess is as good as mine. I thought I had a good grasp of this team going into last weekend. Boy was I ever wrong. I give up figuring them out for my own sanity. :thumb:

 

[Grizbeer]

Right now, PSU is truely clicking on all cylinders, which is what teams are supposed to be doing this time of year.

PSU hung on to edge Eastern Washington by 2 points last night - at home. A win is a win I suppose, and it certainly was better than the 16 point beating they took at CS Fullerton the week before crushing the Griz.

PSU plays hot and cold, just like the Griz.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Right now, PSU is truely clicking on all cylinders, which is what teams are supposed to be doing this time of year.

PSU hung on to edge Eastern Washington by 2 points last night - at home. A win is a win I suppose, and it certainly was better than the 16 point beating they took at CS Fullerton the week before crushing the Griz.

PSU plays hot and cold, just like the Griz.

Hot and cold like the Griz? PSU is 14-2 in conference, UM is 8-8

PSU goes
HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-HOT-cold-HOT

And UM goes
HOT-cold-HOT-cold-HOT-cold-HOT-cold.

I don't see a lot of similarities here.