Grizbacker1
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Grizlurk said:
Great work finding that link Glurk.
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NY Times reporting J.D. Quinn to Montana
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Great work finding that link Glurk.
With Oklahoma's history of NCAA sanctions I can understand why Stoops has a zero tolerance policy.
It wasn't until I was almost 40 when I got over thinking I was a total screw up. I'm all for giving a kid another chance to put some hard learned lessons to work and another shot at oportunity. That's what college football and athletic scholarships are all about.
If and when they keep repeating the same mistakes, well then I'm sure they will learn Montana isn't the place for them either.
It wasn't until I was almost 40 when I got over thinking I was a total screw up. I'm all for giving a kid another chance to put some hard learned lessons to work and another shot at oportunity. That's what college football and athletic scholarships are all about.
If and when they keep repeating the same mistakes, well then I'm sure they will learn Montana isn't the place for them either.
NorthwestFresh said:
Just Win Baby!!!
It sounds like this kid will play for the Griz, so how quick can all of this work? Can he play Saturday?
He obviously won't sit out an entire year, because he could sit out a year and go to another IA team, no?
He obviously won't sit out an entire year, because he could sit out a year and go to another IA team, no?
NorthwestFresh
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IndyGriz said:
He made enough $$$ last summer to cover tuition for a year. :dance:
Joking aside, I don't see how he can be getting any scholly money this late in the game unless someone else is having their scholly reduced. Either that or Bobby left some $$$ available in case of situations like this one.
Grizbacker1
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NorthwestFresh said:
BH has generally saved a schollie or 2 for the late editions. Ronbo, got any news on this?
Seattle Griz Fan
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It is predictable that many of you are salivating at getting yet another IA misfit who could not play by the rules in his current situation, and was forced to move down to a IAA team in order to continue his college career.
I know that I will be lambasted for stating my views on this, but I see an ugly trend developing here at Montana of actively seeking players who have left IA programs for various violations, arrests, and other unsavory acts. I ask you this, would previous Montana coaches have taken some of these kids? I do not remember a single IA drop down playing for Don Read in his many years as coach who came to Montana because of criminal acts done while in IA.
Some of the same posters who openly chided Kramer for taking troubled kids like Joey Thomas, and Junior Adams, are now smuggly savoring the the great "gets" by coach Hauck in securing all of these talented, yet troubled players.
I was recently sent an article from the Iowa City newspaper about Coleman. It outlined the substantial number of events this kid has had, going all the way back to high school. He had been in trouble with the law on four separate occasins in the past 3 years! Chambers had a less-than-sterling past, yet we eagerly scooped him up when he became available. Russum was kicked out of ASU for criminal activities. Yet we eagerly take him in. Are the Griz faithful conveniently turning their heads to these transgressions for the sake of winning?
I do not expect to read a single post in the future about ISU being a "thug school", or, about Kramer recruiting thugs.
It is one thing when a IA players moves down to IAA to get playing time. It is another when he moves down to run from the problems he created at the IA level. Has Bobby's program evolved into one which actively seeks IA malcontents, just as long as they are good?
You tell me.......... which I am sure you will.
I know that I will be lambasted for stating my views on this, but I see an ugly trend developing here at Montana of actively seeking players who have left IA programs for various violations, arrests, and other unsavory acts. I ask you this, would previous Montana coaches have taken some of these kids? I do not remember a single IA drop down playing for Don Read in his many years as coach who came to Montana because of criminal acts done while in IA.
Some of the same posters who openly chided Kramer for taking troubled kids like Joey Thomas, and Junior Adams, are now smuggly savoring the the great "gets" by coach Hauck in securing all of these talented, yet troubled players.
I was recently sent an article from the Iowa City newspaper about Coleman. It outlined the substantial number of events this kid has had, going all the way back to high school. He had been in trouble with the law on four separate occasins in the past 3 years! Chambers had a less-than-sterling past, yet we eagerly scooped him up when he became available. Russum was kicked out of ASU for criminal activities. Yet we eagerly take him in. Are the Griz faithful conveniently turning their heads to these transgressions for the sake of winning?
I do not expect to read a single post in the future about ISU being a "thug school", or, about Kramer recruiting thugs.
It is one thing when a IA players moves down to IAA to get playing time. It is another when he moves down to run from the problems he created at the IA level. Has Bobby's program evolved into one which actively seeks IA malcontents, just as long as they are good?
You tell me.......... which I am sure you will.
Seattle Griz Fan
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Thanx Putter. I do not wish to come off as being a person who will not give a kid a second chance. We have all made mistakes when young.
I just see a trend in Bobby's recruiting which I find unsettling. I do not want Montana to be known as a "thug school". We have always taken great pride in the number of Rhodes Scholars, Academic All-Americans, and overall high GPA of our football players. Are we sacrificing these high standards in order to win?
What is interesting is that the UM program was much more dominating in those days than it is now. I maintain that team chemistry and having quality kids as team leaders ultimately leads to better on-field performance. We seem to be waiting for IA kids to be available, and actively recruiting them. This is something we never did under previous coaches. We built the program with high school recruits.
I just see a trend in Bobby's recruiting which I find unsettling. I do not want Montana to be known as a "thug school". We have always taken great pride in the number of Rhodes Scholars, Academic All-Americans, and overall high GPA of our football players. Are we sacrificing these high standards in order to win?
What is interesting is that the UM program was much more dominating in those days than it is now. I maintain that team chemistry and having quality kids as team leaders ultimately leads to better on-field performance. We seem to be waiting for IA kids to be available, and actively recruiting them. This is something we never did under previous coaches. We built the program with high school recruits.
Those are indeed good points and ones that should be taken seriously.
personally, i'm not big on taking on several transfers with questionable behavior at their previous school.
perhaps bobby thinks he can keep them out of trouble.
in the past, transfers like Drew Miller, Ochs and Jason Washington were no-brainers as their conduct was unquestionable.
however we currently do indeed have some guys that should be on a very short leash and i don't feel they should get any more chances at UM should they make bad choices again.
Having said that...I expet they will not make any bad choices and prove to be valued members of the team and the missoula society.
personally, i'm not big on taking on several transfers with questionable behavior at their previous school.
perhaps bobby thinks he can keep them out of trouble.
in the past, transfers like Drew Miller, Ochs and Jason Washington were no-brainers as their conduct was unquestionable.
however we currently do indeed have some guys that should be on a very short leash and i don't feel they should get any more chances at UM should they make bad choices again.
Having said that...I expet they will not make any bad choices and prove to be valued members of the team and the missoula society.
Tailbone
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OK. Time for a bit of heresy (lest I be accused of excessive sugar).
Don Read the "father of Griz football", in his first 7 seasons as head coach of the Griz, managed only one season of what we now expect every year, 11-3 in 1989. Prior to that (and subsequently as well) Read's teams annually posted records similar to that the 'cats gush over (6-5, 7-4).
The last 3 years of Don's career at UM were highly successful due in no small part to the play of one Dave Dickenson, an extraordinary talent by any measure.
The point?
Superior talent (paticularly at QB) can compensate for many deficiencies (marginal talent, marginal coaching, whatever.)
Dennehy benefited from Read's recruiting and may have forged a legacy of his own if he were smart enough to avoid attempting potential (playoff) tieing field goals from a mud puddle.
Joe Glen received a Cadillac (and Drew Miller - another drop down) and parlayed that into an NC (with Johnny Montana and a cast of Dennehy recruits) and established his legacy among Montana coaches. Joe's real skill however, was knowing when to leave town.
Enter BHauck. with no real I-AA talent (inherited) at QB. BH benefitted from the arrival of - yep! you guessed it, 1A drop-down, Craig Ochs.
Craig, when well enough to play, led the Griz to the NC game.
The common thread here is the success enjoyed by coaches lucky enough to get the superior talent - beginning with DD, followed by
a succession of 1A drop-downs and home grown talent.
Pressure to perform here is intense. Coaches have to do what is necessary to produce. If that means giving second chances and short leashes to kids who are guilty of being kids, then so be it.
It is a second chance, not a free pass. If it should ever become a free pass, I will be among the first to jump on the "bash Bobby" bandwagon. until then, it might be wise to actually consider the possibilities before rushing to judgement.
So Seattle Griz Fan, You may feel that the coaches are seeking out talented misfits to satisfy the salivating "win at any cost" fans - that is your pessimistic opinion. If you are indeed so willing to espouse a policy of "1 strike and you're out" then God help your children, if any.
If you are not AzGriz, you two should get together. I'm sure you could "objectively" discuss for hours, everything wrong with Griz football. If you are AzGriz.....you probably already are discussing it with one of your multiple personalities. Clown.
Don Read the "father of Griz football", in his first 7 seasons as head coach of the Griz, managed only one season of what we now expect every year, 11-3 in 1989. Prior to that (and subsequently as well) Read's teams annually posted records similar to that the 'cats gush over (6-5, 7-4).
The last 3 years of Don's career at UM were highly successful due in no small part to the play of one Dave Dickenson, an extraordinary talent by any measure.
The point?
Superior talent (paticularly at QB) can compensate for many deficiencies (marginal talent, marginal coaching, whatever.)
Dennehy benefited from Read's recruiting and may have forged a legacy of his own if he were smart enough to avoid attempting potential (playoff) tieing field goals from a mud puddle.
Joe Glen received a Cadillac (and Drew Miller - another drop down) and parlayed that into an NC (with Johnny Montana and a cast of Dennehy recruits) and established his legacy among Montana coaches. Joe's real skill however, was knowing when to leave town.
Enter BHauck. with no real I-AA talent (inherited) at QB. BH benefitted from the arrival of - yep! you guessed it, 1A drop-down, Craig Ochs.
Craig, when well enough to play, led the Griz to the NC game.
The common thread here is the success enjoyed by coaches lucky enough to get the superior talent - beginning with DD, followed by
a succession of 1A drop-downs and home grown talent.
Pressure to perform here is intense. Coaches have to do what is necessary to produce. If that means giving second chances and short leashes to kids who are guilty of being kids, then so be it.
It is a second chance, not a free pass. If it should ever become a free pass, I will be among the first to jump on the "bash Bobby" bandwagon. until then, it might be wise to actually consider the possibilities before rushing to judgement.
So Seattle Griz Fan, You may feel that the coaches are seeking out talented misfits to satisfy the salivating "win at any cost" fans - that is your pessimistic opinion. If you are indeed so willing to espouse a policy of "1 strike and you're out" then God help your children, if any.
If you are not AzGriz, you two should get together. I'm sure you could "objectively" discuss for hours, everything wrong with Griz football. If you are AzGriz.....you probably already are discussing it with one of your multiple personalities. Clown.
Don't believe the junk SeattleGrizFan is saying. None of these 3 guys are thugs. Brent and JD were not involved in any assault or anything like that. Brent's thing involved being involved in letting a roommate video him and his girlfriend doing some stuff in their room. JD's thing at Oklahoma was not criminal. The dealership knew they were paying them for more than they worked. Pretty stupid in retrospect, but he's paying the price. Greg has not been involved in 4 criminal matters in the past 3 years. I bet this supposed article won't be given to you guys. Greg got in trouble in high school in 2003. He is now starting his 4th year of college. The thing earlier this year was bogus. He was charged with pushing a guy in a bar (after the guy did some stuff to him). The charge was dropped in a couple days, and he was let back on the team. He participated in spring practice. He left his school because he did not like his position on the depth chart or his chances and wanted to get a new start. His coach knows coach Hauck and helped him get to Montana. Why do people feel they have to make up stuff about players.
I really have a hard time calling Quinn a thug when he didn't beat anyone with his hand--he only kept it open when the car dealer put some extra green in it. I am betting that he will never make that mistake again. Also, a .03 BAC, while wrong for a 19 year old to have, hardly makes him a thug either. So, I think it is hardly fair to lable Quinn as a problem or a thug.
With regard to Coleman, the last time he was arrested he was cleared of having been the problem. As I understand it Coleman was one of the guys who got attacked. Yes he had problems before, when he was in highschool and that cost him severely in scholarship offers and reputation. Is there a chance he has already paid for his sins. Has he done anything in Montana?
I believe Bobby does look at players and their mistakes and tries to sort out the "Thugs" and "problems" from the young men who have made mistakes that can be corrected. And, I know if and when Bobby makes a mistake on a player and giving a young man a second chance that there must be a public forum somewhere that can be used by critics to lambast Bobby for his wrong decision. And in answer to someone's cries that we have been unfair to Mike K with regard to his choice of giving other young men a second chance, you are right---a lot of unfair criticism probably has gone that way--but this is the Griz board and if you don't like it, there must be a public forum somewhere else where the posters are more fair to the kittens.
With regard to Coleman, the last time he was arrested he was cleared of having been the problem. As I understand it Coleman was one of the guys who got attacked. Yes he had problems before, when he was in highschool and that cost him severely in scholarship offers and reputation. Is there a chance he has already paid for his sins. Has he done anything in Montana?
I believe Bobby does look at players and their mistakes and tries to sort out the "Thugs" and "problems" from the young men who have made mistakes that can be corrected. And, I know if and when Bobby makes a mistake on a player and giving a young man a second chance that there must be a public forum somewhere that can be used by critics to lambast Bobby for his wrong decision. And in answer to someone's cries that we have been unfair to Mike K with regard to his choice of giving other young men a second chance, you are right---a lot of unfair criticism probably has gone that way--but this is the Griz board and if you don't like it, there must be a public forum somewhere else where the posters are more fair to the kittens.
Grizbacker1
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Tailbone said:
Tailbone,
You pinned the tail right on the Donkey! It is none other than AzGriz aka Wolfman, aka Roaring aka, name du jour. He thinks he is being clever in how he rips Hauck. Just wait, Phenecie will be next, and then his constant name dropping of who he is buddies with. I know, I will get another threatening PM and once again, he won't show up to do the deed. I heard his shadow is after him again. :loser:
If UM is going to give available schollies away, I feel Tom Martin (#35) should get one first. He's been here the whole time, is a Montana native, and from what I've seen, he can play. I was hoping BH would throw the kid a bone when the OL from Washington didn't show. Perhaps there is some NCAA rule I'm not aware of or something?
Grizbacker1
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Grizlurk said:
Glurk,
I am curious what kind of NCAA rule might you be referring to. Will you please clarify, thanks.
Seattle Griz Fan
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As predicted, it didn't take long for the personal slams, the "pessemistic poster" rants, and the "bad fan" diatribes to surface. Of course, the point of the post was conveniently skirted in favor of slaying the messinger. Simply pathetic. How do some of you look yourselves in the mirror?
Some of you are actually embarrassing to the Griz fans who have the ability to separate right from wrong. It is hypocricy in thinking that it is cool when Bobby recruits a kid of questioneable character while accusing other schools of being thugs. I am amused by the "kids will be kids, give them another chance" position, when some of the SAME POSTERS were all over the Bobat athletic program following the murder in Bozeman. If you do not believe me, a quick search of past posts will confirm what I am saying.
How weak it is to avoid the topic of the post, and to resort to 5th grade name calling. I am sure that the many high quality posters on this board can see through this shallowness of some of these posters.
Mania and Putter, you have gained my respect for your candid comments. You did not necesarily agree with my post, but you actually were able to discuss the points intelligently, something that some of the more "popular, good fans" can do only in their dreams.
A google search on Coleman, will quickly prove that I am not "making up stuff". His problems with the law started in high school, causing many IA teams to back off him, including Michigan and Iowa, who were recruiting him hard. He then had three more incidents at Iowa State. Give him a second chance? O.K., just tell me how many chances we should give him......he's on #5 currently.
I can not stand hypocrites. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Some of you are actually embarrassing to the Griz fans who have the ability to separate right from wrong. It is hypocricy in thinking that it is cool when Bobby recruits a kid of questioneable character while accusing other schools of being thugs. I am amused by the "kids will be kids, give them another chance" position, when some of the SAME POSTERS were all over the Bobat athletic program following the murder in Bozeman. If you do not believe me, a quick search of past posts will confirm what I am saying.
How weak it is to avoid the topic of the post, and to resort to 5th grade name calling. I am sure that the many high quality posters on this board can see through this shallowness of some of these posters.
Mania and Putter, you have gained my respect for your candid comments. You did not necesarily agree with my post, but you actually were able to discuss the points intelligently, something that some of the more "popular, good fans" can do only in their dreams.
A google search on Coleman, will quickly prove that I am not "making up stuff". His problems with the law started in high school, causing many IA teams to back off him, including Michigan and Iowa, who were recruiting him hard. He then had three more incidents at Iowa State. Give him a second chance? O.K., just tell me how many chances we should give him......he's on #5 currently.
I can not stand hypocrites. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
Grizbacker1
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Seattle Griz Fan said:
Oh Az,
why do you persist with your little charade. You are doing precisely waht we all predicted as you were drunk all summer, you woul dbe back under yet another new name, trying to fool us, which younever do. As soon as there is something new to bitch about, them more you revert back to your same ole windbag self. You are the biggest hyprocite that has ever been on a message board. You can't survive a brick house, let alone a glass one. :naughty: :loser:
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