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No one knows where people are getting infected

kemajic said:
Some are finally realizing and taking action to recognize that all positive covid test results are not the same and should not be treated the same.

https://www.westernjournal.com/state-finally-requiring-labs-report-important-result-covid-test/
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Here's an interesting bit ... involving numbers, naturally. I do not know what the amplification factor is for each cycle of the chain reaction. However, if you assume that each cycle doubles the virus signal, then 20 cycles means you've amplified your original trace by a bit over a million times. If you go 40 cycles, that should amplify it by a bit over a trillion times. Sounds impressive. However, it also means that even the slightest fragment of outside contamination would give a positive result. Not technically a "false positive," but cause for concern about how the samples are being taken, and how carefully they are handled afterwards.
 
kemajic said:
Some are finally realizing and taking action to recognize that all positive covid test results are not the same and should not be treated the same.

https://www.westernjournal.com/state-finally-requiring-labs-report-important-result-covid-test/
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That is a very interesting article and concept. Hadn't seen that. Thx.
 
Missoula knows where many of its covid cases are coming from, and where over half of the deaths are coming from. This large number surprises me. Also, I've been saying since last spring that governments should focus more on protecting elder care home and Native Americans and Reservations. That includes time and money. We should have poured federal and state, and even local money, into elder care homes. I realize that community spread leads to elder care home workers getting infected and spreading to the facilities, but my view is that the answer is to keep workers out of places like the Mo Club, and not to focus many resources on the Mo Clubs of Missoula, assuming resources are limited.

"Nursing home residents account for half of local COVID-19 deaths"

"Nursing home residents account for over half of Missoula County's total COVID-19 deaths, according to data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services for federally-licensed skilled nursing homes.

According to the most recent data for the week ending on Nov. 22, skilled nursing homes accounted for 24 of Missoula County's total deaths, at 44 as of Friday."

https://missoulian.com/news/local/politics-pop-nursing-home-residents-account-for-half-of-local-covid-19-deaths/article_f2eb7997-f6cc-5601-ad85-eaf63e64ed9f.html
 
PlayerRep said:
Missoula knows where many of its covid cases are coming from, and where over half of the deaths are coming from. This large number surprises me. Also, I've been saying since last spring that governments should focus more on protecting elder care home and Native Americans and Reservations. That includes time and money. We should have poured federal and state, and even local money, into elder care homes. I realize that community spread leads to elder care home workers getting infected and spreading to the facilities, but my view is that the answer is to keep workers out of places like the Mo Club, and not to focus many resources on the Mo Clubs of Missoula, assuming resources are limited.

"Nursing home residents account for half of local COVID-19 deaths"

"Nursing home residents account for over half of Missoula County's total COVID-19 deaths, according to data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services for federally-licensed skilled nursing homes.

According to the most recent data for the week ending on Nov. 22, skilled nursing homes accounted for 24 of Missoula County's total deaths, at 44 as of Friday."

https://missoulian.com/news/local/politics-pop-nursing-home-residents-account-for-half-of-local-covid-19-deaths/article_f2eb7997-f6cc-5601-ad85-eaf63e64ed9f.html
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nursing homes were the first thing locked down in china, right after wuhan and hubei province. my mother-in-law is in one that is in an area far away from hubei, and they were told no one could go in or out within a day or two of hubei locking down. i think the ccp is basically evil, but they got that one right.
 
argh! said:
PlayerRep said:
Missoula knows where many of its covid cases are coming from, and where over half of the deaths are coming from. This large number surprises me. Also, I've been saying since last spring that governments should focus more on protecting elder care home and Native Americans and Reservations. That includes time and money. We should have poured federal and state, and even local money, into elder care homes. I realize that community spread leads to elder care home workers getting infected and spreading to the facilities, but my view is that the answer is to keep workers out of places like the Mo Club, and not to focus many resources on the Mo Clubs of Missoula, assuming resources are limited.

"Nursing home residents account for half of local COVID-19 deaths"

"Nursing home residents account for over half of Missoula County's total COVID-19 deaths, according to data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services for federally-licensed skilled nursing homes.

According to the most recent data for the week ending on Nov. 22, skilled nursing homes accounted for 24 of Missoula County's total deaths, at 44 as of Friday."

https://missoulian.com/news/local/politics-pop-nursing-home-residents-account-for-half-of-local-covid-19-deaths/article_f2eb7997-f6cc-5601-ad85-eaf63e64ed9f.html
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nursing homes were the first thing locked down in china, right after wuhan and hubei province. my mother-in-law is in one that is in an area far away from hubei, and they were told no one could go in or out within a day or two of hubei locking down. i think the ccp is basically evil, but they got that one right.
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Then there's Cuomo....
 
kemajic said:
argh! said:
nursing homes were the first thing locked down in china, right after wuhan and hubei province. my mother-in-law is in one that is in an area far away from hubei, and they were told no one could go in or out within a day or two of hubei locking down. i think the ccp is basically evil, but they got that one right.
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Then there's Cuomo....
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he's the worst offender, followed by every government official in the u.s.. what a pathetic response we've had.
 
SD, MT and Wyo are nos 1, 2 and 3 in covid deaths per capita in elder care facilities.

"There have been nearly three deaths from COVID-19 for every 100 residents in Wyoming for a four-week period that ended Nov. 15, AARP's figures show. Only South Dakota (4.82) and Montana (3.12) ranked higher for nursing home deaths per 100 residents during that time.

Nationally, the rate for that period was 0.78."

Source: Billings Gazette.
 
Apparently Bullock wants to run for something in 2 or 4 years. If not, he would lock down the State, which of course people would laugh at..
 
Cuervohola said:
Apparently Bullock wants to run for something in 2 or 4 years. If not, he would lock down the State, which of course people would laugh at..
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Bullock got his butt kicked. Plus, he raised a huge amount of money, mainly from out of state. Outspent Daines significantly.

"(KPAX) Spending on Montana’s U.S. Senate race broke records for a state campaign more than a month ago – and now has surpassed a stunning $160 million, by both the candidates and nearly 60 outside groups.

Through mid-October, Democratic Gov. Steve Bullock reported raising just shy of $43 million in just seven months, well out-pacing ....

And outside political groups, which are independent of the two candidates, have combined to spend at least $97 million through the end of October, saturating the airwaves with TV and radio ads. They’ve also spent millions on digital ads, door-to-door canvassing, mailers, text messages and other campaign activity.

MTN News’ analysis of the donations shows that Bullock has raised at least $7 million from Californians, $3 million from New Yorkers and $2.7 million from the Washington, D.C., corridor that includes Maryland and Virginia.

He also can claim nearly $2 million from Montanans ...

Daines has reported almost $3 million in donations from Montanans, $1.5 million from Californians, $1.15 million from Texans and $757,000 from New Yorkers.

MTN News also examined the outside groups reporting spending on the Bullock-Daines contest and identified at least 56 separate groups.

Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee: It has reported spending $19.1 million, mostly on ads going after Daines.

Senate Majority PAC: Another Democratic group, it has spent $16.6 million either attacking Daines or supporting Bullock.

LCV Action Fund: This group, associated with the League of Conservation Voters, has spent $5.4 million either attacking Daines or supporting Bullock."

https://missoulacurrent.com/government/2020/11/spending-senate-race/
 
Cuervohola said:
Apparently Bullock wants to run for something in 2 or 4 years. If not, he would lock down the State, which of course people would laugh at..
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If this is true, he really is out for himself, and must not care about the increasing amount of people dying of covid in the state.
 
PlayerRep said:
Cuervohola said:
Apparently Bullock wants to run for something in 2 or 4 years. If not, he would lock down the State, which of course people would laugh at..
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If this is true, he really is out for himself, and must not care about the increasing amount of people dying of covid in the state.
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Of course he's out for himself. He's a Demon Rat.
 
So what do you fellas think have we finally rounded the damn bend, are we over the hump down to zero soon? Do you think we will hit 300k by the one year anniversary of the first American death and what do you think of the modeling now?
 
Jesse said:
So what do you fellas think have we finally rounded the damn bend, are we over the hump down to zero soon? Do you think we will hit 300k by the one year anniversary of the first American death and what do you think of the modeling now?
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Deaths still under the 2.4 million death modeling.

Heard CDC thinks that 7 Times more people have had the virus than who tested positive. That would make the virus less deadly than flu for people who get sick. The covid spreads alot more/faster than covid, tho.

Thanks God the Trumpees poured so much money into vaccines so quickly. That will win the day.

I suppose you won't get the vaccine because the Trumpees pushed and invested in it.
 
Lots of people won't take the vaccine because normal vaccines that are egg or insect based aren't safe, and they take years to produce. The "warp speed" vaccines have nothing to do with whether they are produced under a Republican or Democrat president. People make it political because they don't do any research whatsoever. The egg and insect vaccines require the use of ingredients like Antifreeze, Formaldehyde, Aluminum and Mercury to name a few.

These mRNA vaccines have never been used in humans, and the idea itself was called unsafe years ago by the FDA. Now the very companies that are putting the vaccine forward are warning about the safety behind the scenes. The articles are hard to find, but they *exist*.

Congress is of course owned by pharma, and they made it so you can't sue if you have massive side effects. Have fun with that, Guinea Pig! You might even be rewarded with... What's that behind door number two? Facial paralysis! Have fun the rest of your life!

I'll take a plant based vaccine if they are approved.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1829670467550

https://medicalkidnap.com/2020/12/08/doctors-around-the-world-issue-dire-warning-do-not-get-the-covid-vaccine/

https://www.ibioinc.com/
 
If anyone wants to give up their early place in line, save it for me. I tried twice, belatedly, to get into the Pfizer trial, but never got a response to my email. Probably should have used PlayerRep as my name and got some attention.
 
Not that I put a lot of weight into the models but the one from the University of Washington gets a lot of press. It has projections for each country and each state. Check out North Dakota's projections. https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/north-dakota?view=daily-deaths&tab=trend

North Dakota has the highest per-capita infections in the US. Based on the projections, the pandemic is about over for them, regardless of a vaccine, masks or other measures. South Dakota and Montana are not far behind. California, on the other hand, has some dark days ahead...
 
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