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NDSU is gone

Ursa Major said:
Can you imagine the smell of attending a home games at the Fargo Hut?

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It has to be just awful. Like a mix of Vlade Divac’s gym bag, weird farts, and vomit. But not like the booze vomit smell. I’m talking the ‘midwestern human ate three pounds of pot roast and tried to sprint 40 yards’ vomit smell. Food vomit smell.
 
Griz til I die said:
CDA I tend to think if it were up to Haslam he would move us up now. The problem is we need a lot of money, and not just initially to pay entrance fees, but every year after that too. If the state is unwilling to pony up the money for it, then idk how else UM would do it. Unless they wanna start charging $1k student athletic fees but that’ll never happen. This tweet from Jim O’Day last night sheds some light on some of the issues.
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Yep. We’re never going to do it. Sad.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
It has to be just awful. Like a mix of Vlade Divac’s gym bag, weird farts, and vomit. But not like the booze vomit smell. I’m talking the ‘midwestern human ate three pounds of pot roast and tried to sprint 40 yards’ vomit smell. Food vomit smell.
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😂 That’s perfect. Perhaps with hints of phosphate fertilizer, Banvel and 90 weight gear oil.
 
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EverettGriz said:
It will never cease to amaze me the let's-stay-fcs-folk simply cannot see these things as equals.
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I guess I'll continue to amaze you.

I don't see those things as equals. While not zero, there is almost no chance we ever see something akin to a 16 over a 1 in the FBS playoffs.

Or - 15 over 2 - or 14 over 3 etc...

Mechanisms to get a situation like FDU playing Purdue in round 1 of the football playoffs don't exist (auto bids for mid-major equivalents)...

Even if by some stretch of the imagination a FDU Football equivalent gets into the bracket - they simply cannot compete. We've seen this movie over and over - no (very few) college football fans believe they even deserve to be there. You know why - because they don't.

Maybe I missed the point entirely - but, March Madness does not equal the FBS playoff in any way - except both make a shit-ton of money.
 
RobGriz said:
I think that’s a really simplistic view of the landscape of college football and its future. And where the UM will fit into it. When the P4 break off, the rest of the FBS will essentially become D2. Maybe not in name but definitely in everything that matters. Haslam has already alluded to the fact that both MSU and UM are doing everything they can to make the schools ready to jump when that happens.
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p8nted said:
Many on here want the p4 to leave the NCAA and then a middle or 2nd level of football forms. They hope we will be in the 2nd level with most g6 teams. Well that middle is forming now. NDSU, UC Davis, and Sac state are desperately trying to stay in the 2nd tier of college football. You will have to increase budgets significantly to be in the 2nd tier of teams. Their budgets are not falling to the FCS level of funding. If you can't afford it, you fall to the 3rd level of college football. That may be where UM and MSU are headed.
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When the big boys go their own way it will mean less TV money for the rest. There is no way mid tier schools can continue to fund NIL, capital improvements and program maintainance with the media revenue that will be available. How long do you think donors will keep ponying up for player salaries? They want their name on stuff. How long will states keep up present levels of athletic support as budgets get tighter and when do students start revolting at punitive activity fees? Most of these G5s can't afford it and will never be able to (including UM). Scaling back will be necessary and hopefully when it settles UM can end up in the right situation. Would have been happy had the Mountain West tendered an invite but they didn't and the Sun Belt (or equivalent) with a lot of former FCS would be suicidal as a destination.
 
Hoops watcher said:
When the big boys go their own way it will mean less TV money for the rest. There is no way mid tier schools can continue to fund NIL, capital improvements and program maintainance with the media revenue that will be available. How long do you think donors will keep ponying up for player salaries? They want their name on stuff. How long will states keep up present levels of athletic support as budgets get tighter and when do students start revolting at punitive activity fees? Most of these G5s can't afford it and will never be able to (including UM). Scaling back will be necessary and hopefully when it settles UM can end up in the right situation. Would have been happy had the Mountain West tendered an invite but they didn't and the Sun Belt (or equivalent) with a lot of former FCS would be suicidal as a destination.
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Exactly correct. Everything that the U is doing right now and MSU as well is to make sure when that time comes we end up in the right situation, IMO. The MW is perfect for us. I think after the bing boys jump there will be some restructuring of the G5 conferences, but that’s just speculation in my part
 
Hoops watcher said:
When the big boys go their own way it will mean less TV money for the rest. There is no way mid tier schools can continue to fund NIL, capital improvements and program maintainance with the media revenue that will be available. How long do you think donors will keep ponying up for player salaries? They want their name on stuff. How long will states keep up present levels of athletic support as budgets get tighter and when do students start revolting at punitive activity fees? Most of these G5s can't afford it and will never be able to (including UM). Scaling back will be necessary and hopefully when it settles UM can end up in the right situation. Would have been happy had the Mountain West tendered an invite but they didn't and the Sun Belt (or equivalent) with a lot of former FCS would be suicidal as a destination.
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Very good post. I didn’t know you were so smart. Ha.
 
Flowtowngriz72 said:
I have said this before. I don't have a problem staying in FCS or moving up to the FBS. Both have good and bad. FCS we have a real shot winning the natty, but our competition is getting worse and worse. Half of our regular season schedule are d2 teams that moved up the last years. S. Utah, Utah tech, Portland St, N. Co. This is not a satisfactory schedule. Now we are losing NDSU and soon more teams to the FBS. Sadly we will never play those teams again. Montana does not play g6 teams because they can't pay us what we make for a home game. Plus FBS can't come here and play us anymore. So are we really D1 if FBS can't schedule a home and home with FCS.
To me it comes down to do want a regular season with 12 games that is our peers and if we win the conference we could get into CFP. Don't say it is impossible James Madison did it this year. MWC with the Dakota and Montanas would better then sunbelt, Mac, conference USA, and could challenge pac and American for a spot for the playoffs specifically if they go to 16 or 24 teams.
Or we can stay and play a less funded, no fan base, high school stadium, watered down schedule. Then the real season begins in the playoffs. With only really 3 or 4 teams really on par with us. As far as funding, facilities, and traditions, There will Cinderella teams like Ill.st. but the championship game is 95% will be montana and st, hopefully south Dakota doesn't leave and hopefully Tarleton st. (Which is d2 transplant) all stay.
What sounds more exciting to watch.

I wish we could do home and home with fbs then regular season games can be exciting plus the playoffs. But we can't. We have to choose. Do we want have a schedule with peer schools and slim shot to make the playoffs. The playoffs would be conference schedule. We would need to win at least 10 games to have a shot at CFP. Or do we want to play a meh regular season schedule that we should easily win 95% of the games and hopefully we play some good teams in the playoffs. Remember there is only a small handful of teams that really win the natty anymore. Just like CFP.
What is your choice? Move up/move forward and face challenges head on and might stumble a few times or stay were we are and feel safe and not move forward and keep competing for a championship that we should be in finals 4 every f'n year but have the chance rot within.
Staying put is not moving forward, it is very slow decline to average.
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Great post thank you. I’d add - Making the CFP is not impossible but the odds are not good. One conference loss for any team in the mountain west and it’s over. JMU had one loss to a very strong ACC Louisville team before Oregon thumped em. Had they lost to say Georgia state ( won 14-7) they do not make it in. Very little to no room to stub your toe any given Saturday. Moving up, stay put? I want the Griz to move up because I want to play stronger competition but the $$$ has to make sense for long term sustainability. I think the right move is to sit back, stay where you are for now and let a few more things shake out across the landscape of “college” athletics. Just my humble opinion.
 
GriznMN said:
NDSU has beaten Iowa, Minnesota, Kansas State, and Iowa State
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Let's put some perspective on those teams, NDSU vs:

2010 - Kansas finished last in conference and unranked nationally.
2011 -Gophers finished 6th in conference and unranked nationally.
2012 - Colorado State finished 6th in conference and unranked nationally.
2013 - Wildcats finished 5th in conference 30th nationally, and won a meaningless bowl game.
2014 - Cyclones finished last in conference and unranked nationally.
2016 - Iowa #13 at time of win and finished 24th nationally.

So, there was one ACTUAL quality win in all of those wins. Also, That particular NDSU team was crazy good. NDSU hasn't done squat against FBS teams since 2016. So, essentially for the last ten years NDSU hasn't done anything.

Like the Grizzlies of the mid-90's through the 2009, y'all are living in the past.
 
SinCityGriz2005 said:
Let's put some perspective on those teams, NDSU vs:

2010 - Kansas finished last in conference and unranked nationally.
2011 -Gophers finished 6th in conference and unranked nationally.
2012 - Colorado State finished 6th in conference and unranked nationally.
2013 - Wildcats finished 5th in conference 30th nationally, and won a meaningless bowl game.
2014 - Cyclones finished last in conference and unranked nationally.
2016 - Iowa #13 at time of win and finished 24th nationally.

So, there was one ACTUAL quality win in all of those wins. Also, That particular NDSU team was crazy good. NDSU hasn't done squat against FBS teams since 2016. So, essentially for the last ten years NDSU hasn't done anything.

Like the Grizzlies of the mid-90's through the 2009, y'all are living in the past.
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Remind me which FBS teams the Griz have beat again.
 
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