NDSU Gets Chick-fil-A & McDonalds at the White House

[AllWeatherFan]

One UNDSU player (offensive lineman) wore a Democratic Socialists pin to the fast food lunch meeting with Trump:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jack-albrecht-democratic-socialists-donald-trump_n_5c814340e4b020b54d82fcbb

Funny stuff! :lol:

 

[Fat Bruno]

Let’s let FOX News economist Lou Dobbs finish the debate for us … you know, FOX’s Dobbs, Trump’s biggest booster … so, when he says it’s this bad, you know it’s :

Fox News’ Lou Dobbs: ‘The White House Has Simply Lost Its Way’

By Kate Riga
March 7, 2019 7:38 am
Fox News host Lou Dobbs, a reliable Trump ally, said Wednesday night that the White House “has simply lost its way.”

“Today, on the same day the Commerce Department reported the United States had the largest trade deficit in our history, the same day the President of the New York fed said straightforwardly that economic growth is slowing, that the certain border is being overrun by record numbers of illegal immigrants, it all means the White House has simply lost its way and that the nation’s heart will be, after all, broken by the very same people who brought 50 years of consecutive trade deficit and the export of millions of middle class jobs and who have fed the swamp for decades,” Dobbs said.

Lost it's way!!! My gooniss, that's very strong.

 

[Fat Bruno]

How is it possible to live in this world and not know the figures on the deficit????? All you have to do is look at the charts and read a little econ history. Annual deficits went down steadily under Clinton until, in his last year, he actually RAN A SURPLUS !!!! The first. Then, the annual figure ... which is the only way you can tell what's happening ... began to rise again under Bush until they were astronomical for the time. Obama inherited this mess and, of course, it continued to rise until his policies kicked in, then began to go back down again and continued to do so. Trump gets in and the rise is on again. Of course, for peabrains who don't understand addition, you must point out that the overall national debt is going to go up every year unless we are actually running a surplus. It's what a president inherits and what the trajectory of the debt is that alone tells the story. It is always downward under the Dems after they fix the messes they inherit and always SKYROCKETING upward under GOOPs. And, please, DON"t pretend to interpret Krugman for us.

 

[Fat Bruno]

As we see in the Robert Kraft case — Trump’s friend and fellow abuser — all world’s collide, even the world’s of football and politics, under the all encompassing malignancy of this historically evil and grotesque oaf. Caligula and Nero will have to step aside to make room in the pantheon for this amazing black hole of the human character. How does stupidity and general mediocrity play so large on the world stage? … because it so perfectly reflects the character of his millions of low, gullible cultists …he's a prism which concentrates and magnifies their collective hideosity through him.

 

[Fat Bruno]

One UNDSU player (offensive lineman) wore a Democratic Socialists pin to the fast food lunch meeting with Trump:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jack-albrecht-democratic-socialists-donald-trump_n_5c814340e4b020b54d82fcbb

Funny stuff! :lol:

Trump thought that was why the guy was called offensive.

 

[PlayerRep]

How is it possible to live in this world and not know the figures on the deficit????? All you have to do is look at the charts and read a little econ history. Annual deficits went down steadily under Clinton until, in his last year, he actually RAN A SURPLUS !!!! The first. Then, the annual figure ... which is the only way you can tell what's happening ... began to rise again under Bush until they were astronomical for the time. Obama inherited this mess and, of course, it continued to rise until his policies kicked in, then began to go back down again and continued to do so. Trump gets in and the rise is on again. Of course, for peabrains who don't understand addition, you must point out that the overall national debt is going to go up every year unless we are actually running a surplus. It's what a president inherits and what the trajectory of the debt is that alone tells the story. It is always downward under the Dems after they fix the messes they inherit and always SKYROCKETING upward under GOOPs. And, please, DON"t pretend to interpret Krugman for us.

How is it possible that you don't know that the deficit under Obama was over $1 Trillion for 4 of his 8 years? Trump's first 2 years didn't approach that amount. $621 billion in 2018 according to CNBC. Bush's deficit was under $2 Trillion total in 8 years.

You are a financial and economic idiot. You can't even Google to an answer that is credible.

 

[PlayerRep]

Let’s let FOX News economist Lou Dobbs finish the debate for us … you know, FOX’s Dobbs, Trump’s biggest booster … so, when he says it’s this bad, you know it’s :

Fox News’ Lou Dobbs: ‘The White House Has Simply Lost Its Way’

By Kate Riga
March 7, 2019 7:38 am
Fox News host Lou Dobbs, a reliable Trump ally, said Wednesday night that the White House “has simply lost its way.”

“Today, on the same day the Commerce Department reported the United States had the largest trade deficit in our history, the same day the President of the New York fed said straightforwardly that economic growth is slowing, that the certain border is being overrun by record numbers of illegal immigrants, it all means the White House has simply lost its way and that the nation’s heart will be, after all, broken by the very same people who brought 50 years of consecutive trade deficit and the export of millions of middle class jobs and who have fed the swamp for decades,” Dobbs said.

Lost it's way!!! My gooniss, that's very strong.

Again, most trade deficits are not really a big deal. See below. The strong US economy, and strong US dollar, are causing the trade deficit. I'm fine with that. Would you prefer a weak economy and a weak dollar? Again, you are just plain stupid on economics. You can't even Google to a credible answer.

“The fact that the U.S. economy is doing very well is the main reason the trade gap has risen,” said Kenneth Rogoff, a professor at Harvard University and former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund.

“Policies that play around at the margins with tariffs are always going to get swamped by macroeconomic factors,” Mr. Rogoff said.

 

[PlayerRep]

Fats, here's a quote from your hero Krugman's most recent column about budget and trade deficits:

"What’s the significance of this tide of red ink?

Let’s be clear: Neither the budget deficit nor the trade deficit poses a clear and present danger to the U.S. economy. Advanced countries that borrow in their own currencies can and often do run up large debts without drastic consequences"

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Wish that was a Montana Grizzlies Jersey he was being handed! Someday...

Hope its anyone else name on the back.

 

[argh!]

Interesting. What kind of business were you trying to do?

Actually, some of the problems and uncertainty are what cause the legal business to expand and get more business. We have to stay on top of what's going on, so that we can advise clients. That's some of what we "sell". We have multiple Chinese lawyers, both in China and HK, and in the US. Many Chinese speakers. Some Chinese lawyers educated in both China and the US. One of our former Chinese partners was the daughter of a Chinese IP/Patent firm. The dad had been one of the primary drafters of China's IP/Patent laws a few decades ago. Our lawyer, who was in the US and had gone to law school in the US, left to be head of IP/Patents for Ali Baba. I assume she did very well for herself. She had drafted some of the patents for our MT clients.

it was education- related, aimed at getting away from the traditional chinese 'memorize and copy' methods, but not too far away, because parents unfortunately expect some of that for their kids. i think it would be a pretty decent money maker, given a somewhat fair playing field, but that's not how things work there. unfortunately part of my role would have been to be the white monkey with a fancy sounding resume, which was a bit odious. ask your colleagues in beijing what a white monkey job is in china, if you don't know already. also, i didn't anticipate uncle xi was going to start marching time backwards towards the politics of mao, albeit with the heavy use of modern technology. i was a little slow on the uptake, first laughing off stuff like the public restroom facial recognition toilet paper dispensers as just a bad idea by some crony bureaucrat. that is morphing into stuff like cameras everywhere, 'social credit', etc... any more i just plan to visit, see my friends, and not talk politics.

and in a related note, your kraft comment struck me as a defense of him. i've got nothing against consensual adults trading sex for money, but those places are blatantly not that, so i have a hard time believing he didn't figure out those women weren't there voluntarily. so, when there is a defense of him without even an attempt at an asterix, i respond.

 

[tourist]

Never kept track of left wing sympathizers, but if start you will be right in there with them. If AOC can do it, so can I.

 

[PlayerRep]

Interesting. What kind of business were you trying to do?

Actually, some of the problems and uncertainty are what cause the legal business to expand and get more business. We have to stay on top of what's going on, so that we can advise clients. That's some of what we "sell". We have multiple Chinese lawyers, both in China and HK, and in the US. Many Chinese speakers. Some Chinese lawyers educated in both China and the US. One of our former Chinese partners was the daughter of a Chinese IP/Patent firm. The dad had been one of the primary drafters of China's IP/Patent laws a few decades ago. Our lawyer, who was in the US and had gone to law school in the US, left to be head of IP/Patents for Ali Baba. I assume she did very well for herself. She had drafted some of the patents for our MT clients.

it was education- related, aimed at getting away from the traditional chinese 'memorize and copy' methods, but not too far away, because parents unfortunately expect some of that for their kids. i think it would be a pretty decent money maker, given a somewhat fair playing field, but that's not how things work there. unfortunately part of my role would have been to be the white monkey with a fancy sounding resume, which was a bit odious. ask your colleagues in beijing what a white monkey job is in china, if you don't know already. also, i didn't anticipate uncle xi was going to start marching time backwards towards the politics of mao, albeit with the heavy use of modern technology. i was a little slow on the uptake, first laughing off stuff like the public restroom facial recognition toilet paper dispensers as just a bad idea by some crony bureaucrat. that is morphing into stuff like cameras everywhere, 'social credit', etc... any more i just plan to visit, see my friends, and not talk politics.

and in a related note, your kraft comment struck me as a defense of him. i've got nothing against consensual adults trading sex for money, but those places are blatantly not that, so i have a hard time believing he didn't figure out those women weren't there voluntarily. so, when there is a defense of him without even an attempt at an asterix, i respond.

Interesting. I will have to check on the white monkey job.

What Kraft did is embarrassing for him, but not a big deal for me. Many of the people who went to the place were just getting a massage. Those people now have tapes of them getting undressed and dressed and getting a massage. Doesn't seem right to me.

The whole surveillance think stinks to me. I can't imagine it is legal, but don't know. Is the US getting more like China in that regard?

One guy identified and named publicly was misidentified. He's already brought a lawsuit. I hope the county and authorities get hammered.

"The prostitution case against Patriots owner Robert Kraft linked to a Florida sex-trafficking ring could be a long shot for prosecutors — partly because the women he was caught on video with are the 45-year-old spa manager and a 58-year-old licensed masseuse, according to legal experts.

But it appears Kraft was caught on camera getting services from two women who are not victims of human trafficking: the 45-year-old manager of the spa, Lei Wang, and 58-year-old spa employee Shen Mingbi, also believed to be an operator of the business — both licensed masseuses and Florida residents." http://www.rightmindsforum.com/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/rightminds?cmd=get&cG=330333033313&zu=333033303331&v=2&gV=0&p=

That's not my idea of trafficking. Older Florida residents and licensed in Florida.

I don't blame Kraft or anyone for trafficking. They weren't involved. They didn't know. I can't imagine Kraft spend time figuring out how trafficking works. I sure don't. A Florida county sheriff was quoted as saying the women could have left anytime, by the way.

I don't blame people who smoke marijuana for causing the drug trade and smuggling either.

 

[tourist]

After googling Kraft, I came across an article, which said that after the 'massage,' the vehicle Kraft was riding in was followed by police and eventually stopped. The cop wanted Krafts ID. The hypothesis is that Kraft may never have stand trial due to no probable cause to stop the vehicle, let alone ID Kraft. In other words, law enforcement wanted a high profile participant, who paid $59 for a hand job.

 

[tourist]

Always wondered where a argh! came up with his left wing shit. Right from the source, Red China. No wonder he feels at home in Missoula.

ha, there isn't much 'left wing' about china. trump would be in heaven there.

"...i didn't anticipate uncle xi was going to start marching time backwards towards the politics of mao, albeit with the heavy use of modern technology. i was a little slow on the uptake, first laughing off stuff like the public restroom facial recognition toilet paper dispensers as just a bad idea by some crony bureaucrat. that is morphing into stuff like cameras everywhere, 'social credit', etc... any more i just plan to visit, see my friends, and not talk politics."

Contradicting yourself, argh!

 

[argh!]

I don't blame Kraft or anyone for trafficking. They weren't involved. They didn't know. I can't imagine Kraft spend time figuring out how trafficking works. I sure don't.

oh, i don't hold kraft personally responsible for trafficking, and don't even think he should go to jail. i don't think going after the johns is going to solve much of anything. i do, however, think that a light needs to be shined on those businesses and how they take advantage of women. i also think kraft is probably knows that there is more to that business than meets the eye, and that at some level some pretty shitty people are taking advantage of others. or did he just give money to an anti-trafficking group without knowing what they do? jeezus greenie, sometimes i wonder about your ability with logic. my heart doesn't bleed for him. i have a friend who opened an acupuncture/massage place, and the chinese gangs were very quick to act, making my friend give up rather than join them. they want both the legit and non-legit business all for themselves.

as for the u.s. becoming more like china, nah, prostitution is way more visible and rampant in china. also, no need for cameras, if they want somebody in jail, they don't really need any reason.

 

[argh!]

Always wondered where a argh! came up with his left wing shit. Right from the source, Red China. No wonder he feels at home in Missoula.

ha, there isn't much 'left wing' about china. trump would be in heaven there.

"...i didn't anticipate uncle xi was going to start marching time backwards towards the politics of mao, albeit with the heavy use of modern technology. i was a little slow on the uptake, first laughing off stuff like the public restroom facial recognition toilet paper dispensers as just a bad idea by some crony bureaucrat. that is morphing into stuff like cameras everywhere, 'social credit', etc... any more i just plan to visit, see my friends, and not talk politics."

Contradicting yourself, argh!

you are confusing a dictatorship with 'left wing'. it is much closer to 'right wing'.

 

[argh!]

Interesting. What kind of business were you trying to do?

Actually, some of the problems and uncertainty are what cause the legal business to expand and get more business. We have to stay on top of what's going on, so that we can advise clients. That's some of what we "sell". We have multiple Chinese lawyers, both in China and HK, and in the US. Many Chinese speakers. Some Chinese lawyers educated in both China and the US. One of our former Chinese partners was the daughter of a Chinese IP/Patent firm. The dad had been one of the primary drafters of China's IP/Patent laws a few decades ago. Our lawyer, who was in the US and had gone to law school in the US, left to be head of IP/Patents for Ali Baba. I assume she did very well for herself. She had drafted some of the patents for our MT clients.

it was education- related, aimed at getting away from the traditional chinese 'memorize and copy' methods, but not too far away, because parents unfortunately expect some of that for their kids. i think it would be a pretty decent money maker, given a somewhat fair playing field, but that's not how things work there. unfortunately part of my role would have been to be the white monkey with a fancy sounding resume, which was a bit odious. ask your colleagues in beijing what a white monkey job is in china, if you don't know already. also, i didn't anticipate uncle xi was going to start marching time backwards towards the politics of mao, albeit with the heavy use of modern technology. i was a little slow on the uptake, first laughing off stuff like the public restroom facial recognition toilet paper dispensers as just a bad idea by some crony bureaucrat. that is morphing into stuff like cameras everywhere, 'social credit', etc... any more i just plan to visit, see my friends, and not talk politics.

and in a related note, your kraft comment struck me as a defense of him. i've got nothing against consensual adults trading sex for money, but those places are blatantly not that, so i have a hard time believing he didn't figure out those women weren't there voluntarily. so, when there is a defense of him without even an attempt at an asterix, i respond.

Interesting. I will have to check on the white monkey job.

What Kraft did is embarrassing for him, but not a big deal for me. Many of the people who went to the place were just getting a massage. Those people now have tapes of them getting undressed and dressed and getting a massage. Doesn't seem right to me.

The whole surveillance think stinks to me. I can't imagine it is legal, but don't know. Is the US getting more like China in that regard?

One guy identified and named publicly was misidentified. He's already brought a lawsuit. I hope the county and authorities get hammered.

"The prostitution case against Patriots owner Robert Kraft linked to a Florida sex-trafficking ring could be a long shot for prosecutors — partly because the women he was caught on video with are the 45-year-old spa manager and a 58-year-old licensed masseuse, according to legal experts.

But it appears Kraft was caught on camera getting services from two women who are not victims of human trafficking: the 45-year-old manager of the spa, Lei Wang, and 58-year-old spa employee Shen Mingbi, also believed to be an operator of the business — both licensed masseuses and Florida residents." http://www.rightmindsforum.com/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/rightminds?cmd=get&cG=330333033313&zu=333033303331&v=2&gV=0&p=

That's not my idea of trafficking. Older Florida residents and licensed in Florida.

I don't blame Kraft or anyone for trafficking. They weren't involved. They didn't know. I can't imagine Kraft spend time figuring out how trafficking works. I sure don't. A Florida county sheriff was quoted as saying the women could have left anytime, by the way.

I don't blame people who smoke marijuana for causing the drug trade and smuggling either.

quote from a trafficking expert on 'licensed massage therapists' and such at that very place:

“Having a school associated with several locations that are engaged in illicit massage business — It’s one more way of appearing legitimate,” Myles said, commenting generally rather than specifically on Tokyo Day Spas. He said the owners of such chains often use schools to recruit and groom women to work in their parlors, even giving them the answers to the licensing exams ahead of time if they are good candidates for sex work.

 

[PlayerRep]

Interesting. What kind of business were you trying to do?

Actually, some of the problems and uncertainty are what cause the legal business to expand and get more business. We have to stay on top of what's going on, so that we can advise clients. That's some of what we "sell". We have multiple Chinese lawyers, both in China and HK, and in the US. Many Chinese speakers. Some Chinese lawyers educated in both China and the US. One of our former Chinese partners was the daughter of a Chinese IP/Patent firm. The dad had been one of the primary drafters of China's IP/Patent laws a few decades ago. Our lawyer, who was in the US and had gone to law school in the US, left to be head of IP/Patents for Ali Baba. I assume she did very well for herself. She had drafted some of the patents for our MT clients.

it was education- related, aimed at getting away from the traditional chinese 'memorize and copy' methods, but not too far away, because parents unfortunately expect some of that for their kids. i think it would be a pretty decent money maker, given a somewhat fair playing field, but that's not how things work there. unfortunately part of my role would have been to be the white monkey with a fancy sounding resume, which was a bit odious. ask your colleagues in beijing what a white monkey job is in china, if you don't know already. also, i didn't anticipate uncle xi was going to start marching time backwards towards the politics of mao, albeit with the heavy use of modern technology. i was a little slow on the uptake, first laughing off stuff like the public restroom facial recognition toilet paper dispensers as just a bad idea by some crony bureaucrat. that is morphing into stuff like cameras everywhere, 'social credit', etc... any more i just plan to visit, see my friends, and not talk politics.

and in a related note, your kraft comment struck me as a defense of him. i've got nothing against consensual adults trading sex for money, but those places are blatantly not that, so i have a hard time believing he didn't figure out those women weren't there voluntarily. so, when there is a defense of him without even an attempt at an asterix, i respond.

Interesting. I will have to check on the white monkey job.

What Kraft did is embarrassing for him, but not a big deal for me. Many of the people who went to the place were just getting a massage. Those people now have tapes of them getting undressed and dressed and getting a massage. Doesn't seem right to me.

The whole surveillance think stinks to me. I can't imagine it is legal, but don't know. Is the US getting more like China in that regard?

One guy identified and named publicly was misidentified. He's already brought a lawsuit. I hope the county and authorities get hammered.

"The prostitution case against Patriots owner Robert Kraft linked to a Florida sex-trafficking ring could be a long shot for prosecutors — partly because the women he was caught on video with are the 45-year-old spa manager and a 58-year-old licensed masseuse, according to legal experts.

But it appears Kraft was caught on camera getting services from two women who are not victims of human trafficking: the 45-year-old manager of the spa, Lei Wang, and 58-year-old spa employee Shen Mingbi, also believed to be an operator of the business — both licensed masseuses and Florida residents." http://www.rightmindsforum.com/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/rightminds?cmd=get&cG=330333033313&zu=333033303331&v=2&gV=0&p=

That's not my idea of trafficking. Older Florida residents and licensed in Florida.

I don't blame Kraft or anyone for trafficking. They weren't involved. They didn't know. I can't imagine Kraft spend time figuring out how trafficking works. I sure don't. A Florida county sheriff was quoted as saying the women could have left anytime, by the way.

I don't blame people who smoke marijuana for causing the drug trade and smuggling either.

quote from a trafficking expert on 'licensed massage therapists' and such at that very place:

“Having a school associated with several locations that are engaged in illicit massage business — It’s one more way of appearing legitimate,” Myles said, commenting generally rather than specifically on Tokyo Day Spas. He said the owners of such chains often use schools to recruit and groom women to work in their parlors, even giving them the answers to the licensing exams ahead of time if they are good candidates for sex work.

Interesting. Never knew that. Makes sense, I suppose. Assume Kraft never knew that. Can't imagine that Florida residents are 45 and 58 are being trafficked. Just trying to making a living, I would think.

 

[tourist]

Always wondered where a argh! came up with his left wing shit. Right from the source, Red China. No wonder he feels at home in Missoula.

ha, there isn't much 'left wing' about china. trump would be in heaven there.

"...i didn't anticipate uncle xi was going to start marching time backwards towards the politics of mao, albeit with the heavy use of modern technology. i was a little slow on the uptake, first laughing off stuff like the public restroom facial recognition toilet paper dispensers as just a bad idea by some crony bureaucrat. that is morphing into stuff like cameras everywhere, 'social credit', etc... any more i just plan to visit, see my friends, and not talk politics."

Contradicting yourself, argh!

you are confusing a dictatorship with 'left wing'. it is much closer to 'right wing'.
quote"

"...uncle xi was going to start marching time backwards towards the politics of mao…"
YOUR WORDS! You calling Mao a right winger? You leftwing nuts will stop at nothing. No lie is to big or too small. Repeat the lie often enough and the stupid 'masses' will believe it.

 

[argh!]

it was education- related, aimed at getting away from the traditional chinese 'memorize and copy' methods, but not too far away, because parents unfortunately expect some of that for their kids. i think it would be a pretty decent money maker, given a somewhat fair playing field, but that's not how things work there. unfortunately part of my role would have been to be the white monkey with a fancy sounding resume, which was a bit odious. ask your colleagues in beijing what a white monkey job is in china, if you don't know already. also, i didn't anticipate uncle xi was going to start marching time backwards towards the politics of mao, albeit with the heavy use of modern technology. i was a little slow on the uptake, first laughing off stuff like the public restroom facial recognition toilet paper dispensers as just a bad idea by some crony bureaucrat. that is morphing into stuff like cameras everywhere, 'social credit', etc... any more i just plan to visit, see my friends, and not talk politics.

and in a related note, your kraft comment struck me as a defense of him. i've got nothing against consensual adults trading sex for money, but those places are blatantly not that, so i have a hard time believing he didn't figure out those women weren't there voluntarily. so, when there is a defense of him without even an attempt at an asterix, i respond.

Interesting. I will have to check on the white monkey job.

What Kraft did is embarrassing for him, but not a big deal for me. Many of the people who went to the place were just getting a massage. Those people now have tapes of them getting undressed and dressed and getting a massage. Doesn't seem right to me.

The whole surveillance think stinks to me. I can't imagine it is legal, but don't know. Is the US getting more like China in that regard?

One guy identified and named publicly was misidentified. He's already brought a lawsuit. I hope the county and authorities get hammered.

"The prostitution case against Patriots owner Robert Kraft linked to a Florida sex-trafficking ring could be a long shot for prosecutors — partly because the women he was caught on video with are the 45-year-old spa manager and a 58-year-old licensed masseuse, according to legal experts.

But it appears Kraft was caught on camera getting services from two women who are not victims of human trafficking: the 45-year-old manager of the spa, Lei Wang, and 58-year-old spa employee Shen Mingbi, also believed to be an operator of the business — both licensed masseuses and Florida residents." http://www.rightmindsforum.com/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/rightminds?cmd=get&cG=330333033313&zu=333033303331&v=2&gV=0&p=

That's not my idea of trafficking. Older Florida residents and licensed in Florida.

I don't blame Kraft or anyone for trafficking. They weren't involved. They didn't know. I can't imagine Kraft spend time figuring out how trafficking works. I sure don't. A Florida county sheriff was quoted as saying the women could have left anytime, by the way.

I don't blame people who smoke marijuana for causing the drug trade and smuggling either.

quote from a trafficking expert on 'licensed massage therapists' and such at that very place:

“Having a school associated with several locations that are engaged in illicit massage business — It’s one more way of appearing legitimate,” Myles said, commenting generally rather than specifically on Tokyo Day Spas. He said the owners of such chains often use schools to recruit and groom women to work in their parlors, even giving them the answers to the licensing exams ahead of time if they are good candidates for sex work.

Interesting. Never knew that. Makes sense, I suppose. Assume Kraft never knew that. Can't imagine that Florida residents are 45 and 58 are being trafficked. Just trying to making a living, I would think.

trafficked women are often middle aged. don't know the story of those two, but one common story is that they get into debt to loan sharks and the like in their own country, think they are getting a well paying job in the states, and...