Montana vs PSU

[EverettGriz]

Is it wrong to be disappointed with a 7 point conference win?


That just didn't feel...satsifying.

This game is yet another example to support my feelings that this UM team is not very good. We should beat PSU by 20+ at home. Let's face facts, the Big Sky sucks, and we still have trouble putting anyone away. Jamar is a huge disappointment to me this season. He should be averaging 17-20 points a game. Last season everyone was talking an NBA future for him, but can can not even dominate in the weak Big Sky.

We know. Thanks for posting it again, though.

This site lists scores for each year of Griz BB. Take a gander through every year and you'll see damn close games to teams "we should beat by 20+" (which is a rarity in college basketball to begin with. To make that an expectation?? Ummm, no).

http://www.fanbase.com/Montana-Grizzlies-Mens-Basketball-1985-86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[PlayerRep]

If, in the past 3 weeks, Oregon St and Weber have beaten PSU by 5 and 4 points, respectively, remind us why UM should beat PSU by 20.

 

[bearly visible]

If, in the past 3 weeks, Oregon St and Weber have beaten PSU by 5 and 4 points, respectively, remind us why UM should beat PSU by 20.

Because, according to you and many others, we are much better than those two teams.

 

[gotgame75]

Jamar's slump this year is definitely confounding, I think all Griz Bball fans know he is a much better player than what he is showing on the court right now. I believe our lack of a true inside presence really hurts Jamar's game. Although he can definitely take it to the rim, Jamar truly thrives in his mid-range game. Without a true center to worry about inside, teams know they have to mitigate our shooters and use a zone to do it. I think having Qvale attracting so much attention inside last year allowed Kareem to catch and shoot in the mid-range game without so much defensive presence spread further out through the key. This is just a theory, I'm definitely no basketball expert. Going forward, Jamar just has to find his role in this guard-heavy offense. In fact, I think our whole offense struggles a bit with finding an identity. Jamar is a talented enough player that I have no doubt that he will be back before long.

 

[bearly visible]

Is it wrong to be disappointed with a 7 point conference win?


That just didn't feel...satsifying.

This game is yet another example to support my feelings that this UM team is not very good. We should beat PSU by 20+ at home. Let's face facts, the Big Sky sucks, and we still have trouble putting anyone away. Jamar is a huge disappointment to me this season. He should be averaging 17-20 points a game. Last season everyone was talking an NBA future for him, but can can not even dominate in the weak Big Sky.

We know. Thanks for posting it again, though.

This site lists scores for each year of Griz BB. Take a gander through every year and you'll see damn close games to teams "we should beat by 20+" (which is a rarity in college basketball to begin with. To make that an expectation?? Ummm, no).

http://www.fanbase.com/Montana-Grizzlies-Mens-Basketball-1985-86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please. Good teams beat 4-8 teams like PSU at home by more than 20 every night. Even the Cats, as pathetic as they are, beat PSU by almost as many points as we did. When are you going to stop giving a free pass to all of these close wins at home against awful teams? When are we going to blow out a Div. I team at home? I know, a win-is-a-win. I do not buy it.

We beat Weber by nearly 20 at home with Lillard.

 

[EverettGriz]

If, in the past 3 weeks, Oregon St and Weber have beaten PSU by 5 and 4 points, respectively, remind us why UM should beat PSU by 20.

Because, according to you and many others, we are much better than those two teams.

BV, with all due respect, now you're simply being a troll.

I believe just about EVERYone on this board has said the Griz have issues, particularly in the paint. No one has claimed they're a top 50 team. But as I've said repeatedly, the logic of saying the BSC is not as good, therefore the Griz can't be any good is empty logic. The Griz ARE good, and may be as good as many, many teams who've suited up for UM in the past. But we all admit they're no Gonzaga.

 

[bearly visible]

Jamar's slump this year is definitely confounding, I think all Griz Bball fans know he is a much better player than what he is showing on the court right now. I believe our lack of a true inside presence really hurts Jamar's game. Although he can definitely take it to the rim, Jamar truly thrives in his mid-range game. Without a true center to worry about inside, teams know they have to mitigate our shooters and use a zone to do it. I think having Qvale attracting so much attention inside last year allowed Kareem to catch and shoot in the mid-range game without so much defensive presence spread further out through the key. This is just a theory, I'm definitely no basketball expert. Going forward, Jamar just has to find his role in this guard-heavy offense. In fact, I think our whole offense struggles a bit with finding an identity. Jamar is a talented enough player that I have no doubt that he will be back before long.

Thanks for admitting what should be obvious, except to posters who obviously can not deal with what is actually occurring in these games. I hope he kicks it up a notch too. But the fact is, he has not played nearly as well this year as last.

 

[PlayerRep]

Kareem could be playing better, but I don't think he's in a slump. His stats so far are about the same as last year, except he's up in rebounds.

 

[bearly visible]

If, in the past 3 weeks, Oregon St and Weber have beaten PSU by 5 and 4 points, respectively, remind us why UM should beat PSU by 20.

Because, according to you and many others, we are much better than those two teams.

BV, with all due respect, now you're simply being a troll.

I believe just about EVERYone on this board has said the Griz have issues, particularly in the post. No one has claimed they're a top 50 team. But as I've said repeatedly, the logic of saying the BSC is not as good, therefore the Griz can't be any good is empty logic. The Griz ARE good, and may be as good as many, many teams who've suited up for UM in the past. But we all admit they're no Gonzaga.

why do have to resort to labling someone who disagrees with you a troll? Just because I have a very valid point about our inability to win by more than 5-8 points at home against some of the weaker teams in the conference, you lable me a troll. You are proof that maroon colored glasses do jade reason.

 

['68griz]

Jamar's slump this year is definitely confounding, I think all Griz Bball fans know he is a much better player than what he is showing on the court right now. I believe our lack of a true inside presence really hurts Jamar's game. Although he can definitely take it to the rim, Jamar truly thrives in his mid-range game. Without a true center to worry about inside, teams know they have to mitigate our shooters and use a zone to do it. I think having Qvale attracting so much attention inside last year allowed Kareem to catch and shoot in the mid-range game without so much defensive presence spread further out through the key. This is just a theory, I'm definitely no basketball expert. Going forward, Jamar just has to find his role in this guard-heavy offense. In fact, I think our whole offense struggles a bit with finding an identity. Jamar is a talented enough player that I have no doubt that he will be back before long.

Don't believe Qvale was here last year, so that reason for Jamar's "struggles" doesn't work.

 

[PlayerRep]

Is it wrong to be disappointed with a 7 point conference win?


That just didn't feel...satsifying.

This game is yet another example to support my feelings that this UM team is not very good. We should beat PSU by 20+ at home. Let's face facts, the Big Sky sucks, and we still have trouble putting anyone away. Jamar is a huge disappointment to me this season. He should be averaging 17-20 points a game. Last season everyone was talking an NBA future for him, but can can not even dominate in the weak Big Sky.

We know. Thanks for posting it again, though.

This site lists scores for each year of Griz BB. Take a gander through every year and you'll see damn close games to teams "we should beat by 20+" (which is a rarity in college basketball to begin with. To make that an expectation?? Ummm, no).

http://www.fanbase.com/Montana-Grizzlies-Mens-Basketball-1985-86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please. Good teams beat 4-8 teams like PSU at home by more than 20 every night. Even the Cats, as pathetic as they are, beat PSU by almost as many points as we did. When are you going to stop giving a free pass to all of these close wins at home against awful teams? When are we going to blow out a Div. I team at home? I know, a win-is-a-win. I do not buy it.

We beat Weber by nearly 20 at home with Lillard.

Last year, UM beat only 1 team at home by 20 or more (Sac).

 

[PlayerRep]

If, in the past 3 weeks, Oregon St and Weber have beaten PSU by 5 and 4 points, respectively, remind us why UM should beat PSU by 20.

Because, according to you and many others, we are much better than those two teams.

Who has said UM is better than Oregon St and Weber? Certainly not me.

 

[bearly visible]

This game is yet another example to support my feelings that this UM team is not very good. We should beat PSU by 20+ at home. Let's face facts, the Big Sky sucks, and we still have trouble putting anyone away. Jamar is a huge disappointment to me this season. He should be averaging 17-20 points a game. Last season everyone was talking an NBA future for him, but can can not even dominate in the weak Big Sky.

We know. Thanks for posting it again, though.

This site lists scores for each year of Griz BB. Take a gander through every year and you'll see damn close games to teams "we should beat by 20+" (which is a rarity in college basketball to begin with. To make that an expectation?? Ummm, no).

http://www.fanbase.com/Montana-Grizzlies-Mens-Basketball-1985-86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please. Good teams beat 4-8 teams like PSU at home by more than 20 every night. Even the Cats, as pathetic as they are, beat PSU by almost as many points as we did. When are you going to stop giving a free pass to all of these close wins at home against awful teams? When are we going to blow out a Div. I team at home? I know, a win-is-a-win. I do not buy it.

We beat Weber by nearly 20 at home with Lillard.

Last year, UM beat only 1 team at home by 20 or more (Sac).

And, how many did we beat Weber and Lillard by at home?

 

[EverettGriz]

If, in the past 3 weeks, Oregon St and Weber have beaten PSU by 5 and 4 points, respectively, remind us why UM should beat PSU by 20.

Because, according to you and many others, we are much better than those two teams.

BV, with all due respect, now you're simply being a troll.

I believe just about EVERYone on this board has said the Griz have issues, particularly in the post. No one has claimed they're a top 50 team. But as I've said repeatedly, the logic of saying the BSC is not as good, therefore the Griz can't be any good is empty logic. The Griz ARE good, and may be as good as many, many teams who've suited up for UM in the past. But we all admit they're no Gonzaga.

why do have to resort to labling someone who disagrees with you a troll? Just because I have a very valid point about our inability to win by more than 5-8 points at home against some of the weaker teams in the conference, you lable me a troll. You are proof that maroon colored glasses do jade reason.

It isn't because you disagree with me. I don't really give a $hit about that. It's because you claim that many on this board claim the Griz are better than OSU. Show me even two such posts and I'll apologize. Until then, I'll stand by my position that that was trolling post.

As for the numerous 20 point wins you suggest occur on a regular basis, it's my conclusion that you watch very, very little college basketball.

 

[PlayerRep]

We know. Thanks for posting it again, though.

This site lists scores for each year of Griz BB. Take a gander through every year and you'll see damn close games to teams "we should beat by 20+" (which is a rarity in college basketball to begin with. To make that an expectation?? Ummm, no).

http://www.fanbase.com/Montana-Grizzlies-Mens-Basketball-1985-86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please. Good teams beat 4-8 teams like PSU at home by more than 20 every night. Even the Cats, as pathetic as they are, beat PSU by almost as many points as we did. When are you going to stop giving a free pass to all of these close wins at home against awful teams? When are we going to blow out a Div. I team at home? I know, a win-is-a-win. I do not buy it.

We beat Weber by nearly 20 at home with Lillard.

Last year, UM beat only 1 team at home by 20 or more (Sac).

And, how many did we beat Weber and Lillard by at home?

Less than 20.

 

[MNGriz04]

Please. Good teams beat 4-8 teams like PSU at home by more than 20 every night. Even the Cats, as pathetic as they are, beat PSU by almost as many points as we did. When are you going to stop giving a free pass to all of these close wins at home against awful teams? When are we going to blow out a Div. I team at home? I know, a win-is-a-win. I do not buy it.

We beat Weber by nearly 20 at home with Lillard.

The only team to beat PSU by more than 20 is #20 Oklahoma State. Weber State beat PSU by 4 in OT.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

Even the best teams can have off nights, and no two games are going to be similar.

A few years ago Weber beat Idaho State at home by like 20 points, then they played up in Pokey and won on a last second layup in triple overtime.

No team is just going to beat everyone by 20+ it just aint gonna happen.

 

[becker2117]

Is it wrong to be disappointed with a 7 point conference win?


That just didn't feel...satsifying.

This game is yet another example to support my feelings that this UM team is not very good. We should beat PSU by 20+ at home. Let's face facts, the Big Sky sucks, and we still have trouble putting anyone away. Jamar is a huge disappointment to me this season. He should be averaging 17-20 points a game. Last season everyone was talking an NBA future for him, but can can not even dominate in the weak Big Sky.

We know. Thanks for posting it again, though.

This site lists scores for each year of Griz BB. Take a gander through every year and you'll see damn close games to teams "we should beat by 20+" (which is a rarity in college basketball to begin with. To make that an expectation?? Ummm, no).

http://www.fanbase.com/Montana-Grizzlies-Mens-Basketball-1985-86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please. Good teams beat 4-8 teams like PSU at home by more than 20 every night. Even the Cats, as pathetic as they are, beat PSU by almost as many points as we did. When are you going to stop giving a free pass to all of these close wins at home against awful teams? When are we going to blow out a Div. I team at home? I know, a win-is-a-win. I do not buy it.

We beat Weber by nearly 20 at home with Lillard.

the night before we beat weebs by nearly 20 we played a very close game against EWU. To just coem out and say we should win by 20 is bs. We were up by nearly 20 against PSU sat night, they went on a run and started hitting some threes, and big #30 scored inside. Teams go on runs, it happens. Point is if you watched the game it was clear who the superior team was. I do agree with you i would like to see 20point wins but to expect it every night is silly. Also you ask when we are going to blow out a team at home...we just pounded ewu by 15 does that count? or does it HAVE to be 20 points?

Im sure you were saying the same BS in 06 when we dropped a game to EWU on the road...2011 loss to long beach or last year when we lost to weber....funny how you take one example of the most complete game we played all season and compare each game to that.

 

[becker2117]

Jamar's slump this year is definitely confounding, I think all Griz Bball fans know he is a much better player than what he is showing on the court right now. I believe our lack of a true inside presence really hurts Jamar's game. Although he can definitely take it to the rim, Jamar truly thrives in his mid-range game. Without a true center to worry about inside, teams know they have to mitigate our shooters and use a zone to do it. I think having Qvale attracting so much attention inside last year allowed Kareem to catch and shoot in the mid-range game without so much defensive presence spread further out through the key. This is just a theory, I'm definitely no basketball expert. Going forward, Jamar just has to find his role in this guard-heavy offense. In fact, I think our whole offense struggles a bit with finding an identity. Jamar is a talented enough player that I have no doubt that he will be back before long.

Don't believe Qvale was here last year, so that reason for Jamar's "struggles" doesn't work.

:lol:
makes you wonder if he even watches the games...kinda hard to take somebody seriously when he doesnt even know who was on the roster ESP when saying how much Karems game has been effected due to that player being gone..WTF

 

[Grizbeer]

Nothing but respect becker, and most importantly, thank you for your service! I just dont see why there are not more local fans like yourself? There is nothing else to do, but have a good time at b-ball and continue the party on down to the local merchants? Hell our pregame party was a couple cases of Milkwakees Best, Grilled dogs and Burgers, and Tecmo Bowl until game time! And then ????? always a good time! Come on Missoula and the kids in class coming back?? Lets give Webers dominance a little run for their money?? :thumb:

There were 1200+ over in the GIR Barn to watch 16 - 20 year old kids play hockey, and they average about 1500 fans a game. And probably most concerning, they are pretty much the exact demographic that UM basketball and Tinkle needs - mostly 12 - 25 year olds, who have energy and get loud.

Why would 1500 - 2000 younger Missoulians, including a lot of UM students, rather sit on a cold metal or wood bleacher in a cold barn watching high school age kids play hockey instead of the UM basketball team in a warm Dahlberg arena? Who knows, maybe Missoulians just really like to be cold when watching their sports. Maybe they just prefer sports where people each hit each other. Maybe because the old people who sit on their hands and complain about people who stand and cheer at Dahlberg don't go to these games. Maybe they go for the mascot who spins cookies on the ice on a quad. Maybe they just really like to sing the Zamboni song. Who knows, maybe a combination of all of these. What I do know is that the beer lines are usually pretty long, and you are better off waiting for the girls to come around selling beer to your seat. And win or lose almost everyone walks out of the barn with a smile and had a good time.