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grizindabox said:
Because the corner is supposed to keep outside leverage and force the play inside of him towards the safeties and backers. McGinnis was in the right position to make that play, had the corner not gotten hooked so the runner could get outside. Safeties don't play "deep" against the run. They generally come up, or across and up, to fill gaps and make tackles.
If McGinnis goes deep towards sideline, and is behind the corner, then the runner can either cut inside or outside the corner, depending on the block. In fact, if the corner keeps his outside leverage and forces the runner back inside, then the runner just runs inside because McGinnis is downfield and not filling that gap.
grizindabox said:
Generally, safeties don't play "on top" against the run. That's a pass coverage term. They fill gaps against the run game. If a player makes a mistake like the corner did, and lets a runner break through, then everyone on the team has to turn around and run after the runner.
Safeties don't go running down field and playing "on top" in that situation, just to be back in case the corner makes a big mistake.
Two things:
On the play on the snap McGinnis takes a couple of steps to his right away from the play, so when he sees it's going back to his left he's recovery running. The CB has gotten hooked and he has two choices, go "under" the blocker/CB and try to blow up the play for no gain or even a loss or go over top of the blocker and probably get to the tackle situation around the first down marker. The first choice is aggressive and the Griz were doing that all night, the second would proabably be safer but could still leave him in a chase position, though not as long a chase. He went with his instinct and you'd have to ask him, Coach Hauck and a few other coaches what they though of that.
The second point is that PR stated on page 3 that "if he had speed like that, he'd STILL be in the NFL." Does he get a pass on this because he's over the international date line?
On the play on the snap McGinnis takes a couple of steps to his right away from the play, so when he sees it's going back to his left he's recovery running. The CB has gotten hooked and he has two choices, go "under" the blocker/CB and try to blow up the play for no gain or even a loss or go over top of the blocker and probably get to the tackle situation around the first down marker. The first choice is aggressive and the Griz were doing that all night, the second would proabably be safer but could still leave him in a chase position, though not as long a chase. He went with his instinct and you'd have to ask him, Coach Hauck and a few other coaches what they though of that.
The second point is that PR stated on page 3 that "if he had speed like that, he'd STILL be in the NFL." Does he get a pass on this because he's over the international date line?
Milton Mamula. That's who was on the left edge who got turned on and sealed off. Walker followed his receiver and then got blocked out of the play, recognizing too late that it was a run play. If anybody screwed up, it was Mamula letting the OT get the seal block.
The freshman RB from So Cal was a four star recruit, ran a 4.8 40 in HS according to ESPN. Not a track star burner, but with spring and fall training that speed may have improved. McGinnis had ability to kick into another gear and make up a solid 4 to 5 yards in less than 40 yards when he kicked it into gear, caused a fumble in process. Solid play great example how back up players have improved, they didn't allow any points by Os first string offense. Last score was at about 12:00 to go in fourth. Additional evidence of Griz on the road not having a major fall off at end of game. Highlights show a lot of near misses by the Griz that would have made things interesting. Griz fans should have more confidence in this team. Griz hangover has hit USD and UNA so far will O fall this week to the inferior Stanford team.
SaskGriz said:Two things:
On the play on the snap McGinnis takes a couple of steps to his right away from the play, so when he sees it's going back to his left he's recovery running. The CB has gotten hooked and he has two choices, go "under" the blocker/CB and try to blow up the play for no gain or even a loss or go over top of the blocker and probably get to the tackle situation around the first down marker. The first choice is aggressive and the Griz were doing that all night, the second would proabably be safer but could still leave him in a chase position, though not as long a chase. He went with his instinct and you'd have to ask him, Coach Hauck and a few other coaches what they though of that.
The second point is that PR stated on page 3 that "if he had speed like that, he'd STILL be in the NFL." Does he get a pass on this because he's over the international date line?
McGinnis’ key was probably to shift in direction of motion. That is his job. Not a mistake.
The corner has to keep outside leverage. That’s his first job on a run. He was facing the receiver. Hadn’t turned to run with him. If receiver is in front of you, you have to keep outside leverage.
McGinnis makes that play if the corner keeps outside leverage. McGinnis was not being too aggressive. You don’t play to assume your teammate makes a mistake.
PlayerRep said:SaskGriz said:Two things:
On the play on the snap McGinnis takes a couple of steps to his right away from the play, so when he sees it's going back to his left he's recovery running. The CB has gotten hooked and he has two choices, go "under" the blocker/CB and try to blow up the play for no gain or even a loss or go over top of the blocker and probably get to the tackle situation around the first down marker. The first choice is aggressive and the Griz were doing that all night, the second would proabably be safer but could still leave him in a chase position, though not as long a chase. He went with his instinct and you'd have to ask him, Coach Hauck and a few other coaches what they though of that.
The second point is that PR stated on page 3 that "if he had speed like that, he'd STILL be in the NFL." Does he get a pass on this because he's over the international date line?
McGinnis’ key was probably to shift in direction of motion. That is his job. Not a mistake.
The corner has to keep outside leverage. That’s his first job on a run. He was facing the receiver. Hadn’t turned to run with him. If receiver is in front of you, you have to keep outside leverage.
McGinnis makes that play if the corner keeps outside leverage. McGinnis was not being too aggressive. You don’t play to assume your teammate makes a mistake.
Agree completely with all of your points. I never said his first steps were a mistake.
The Griz were in their base 33-stacked, and they also had their other safety on the line of scrimmage to the field side. McGinnis was 10 yards deep and right in the middle of the formation.
OU is in a 20 grouping and the deeper of the two RB's drifts to the field side on the snap as if they are going to look for a swing pass in the right flats. This is no doubt what McGinnis first reacts to as it would have been 3 on 3 to the wide side if he doesn't come to help.
OU also has a great play called because the GRIZ send all three backs and even stunt the Mike and Sam backers, but Oregon is running away from that side.
Both the corner losing leverage and Mamula getting too excited to shut the play down in the B gap are the reason the RB can spring it.
You are right you never assume your teammates makes a mistake and I never said he was being too aggressive. I just said he made a choice and it was an aggressive one.
IdahoGrizFan
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AZGrizFan said:
Or, the running back isn't all that fast. We have some of those backs that don't have break away speed too.
No I am not saying McGinnis isn't fast. Just saying the Oregon running back wasn't faster, that's all.
ari gold
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IdahoGrizFan said:AZGrizFan said:
Or, the running back isn't all that fast. We have some of those backs that don't have break away speed too.
No I am not saying McGinnis isn't fast. Just saying the Oregon running back wasn't faster, that's all.
As I had said in an earlier post, the runningback, Sean Dollars, was a 4.8 40 guy in high school at the Nike Opening camps. Not a burner, but has good vision for a true freshman. McGinnis is hands down a faster player, probably in the 40 and a 100-yard sprint.
I take away one thing that I saw in person and this lame thread has not changed that. McGinnis has elite speed for an FCS safety. You can't teach that and he will learn the rest.ari gold said:IdahoGrizFan said:AZGrizFan said:
Or, the running back isn't all that fast. We have some of those backs that don't have break away speed too.
No I am not saying McGinnis isn't fast. Just saying the Oregon running back wasn't faster, that's all.
As I had said in an earlier post, the runningback, Sean Dollars, was a 4.8 40 guy in high school at the Nike Opening camps. Not a burner, but has good vision for a true freshman. McGinnis is hands down a faster player, probably in the 40 and a 100-yard sprint.
IdahoGrizFan said:AZGrizFan said:
Or, the running back isn't all that fast. We have some of those backs that don't have break away speed too.
No I am not saying McGinnis isn't fast. Just saying the Oregon running back wasn't faster, that's all.
Well no shit, Sherlock. :lol: :lol:
kemajic said:I take away one thing that I saw in person and this lame thread has not changed that. McGinnis has elite speed for an FCS safety. You can't teach that and he will learn the rest.ari gold said:IdahoGrizFan said:AZGrizFan said:
Or, the running back isn't all that fast. We have some of those backs that don't have break away speed too.
No I am not saying McGinnis isn't fast. Just saying the Oregon running back wasn't faster, that's all.
As I had said in an earlier post, the runningback, Sean Dollars, was a 4.8 40 guy in high school at the Nike Opening camps. Not a burner, but has good vision for a true freshman. McGinnis is hands down a faster player, probably in the 40 and a 100-yard sprint.
..NO this thread should have remained positive..agreed McGinnis has the speed, size and smarts to
be a high caliber player..that is what l wanted to stress until some maron talked about his angle..
cracks me up when people say the Duck RB wasn't fast to down play McGinnis chase..l was a 4.6 in
H.S. and this RB looked a lot faster..anyway I'm glad we got break out players like McGinnis!
ari gold
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grizghost said:kemajic said:I take away one thing that I saw in person and this lame thread has not changed that. McGinnis has elite speed for an FCS safety. You can't teach that and he will learn the rest.ari gold said:IdahoGrizFan said:Or, the running back isn't all that fast. We have some of those backs that don't have break away speed too.
No I am not saying McGinnis isn't fast. Just saying the Oregon running back wasn't faster, that's all.
As I had said in an earlier post, the runningback, Sean Dollars, was a 4.8 40 guy in high school at the Nike Opening camps. Not a burner, but has good vision for a true freshman. McGinnis is hands down a faster player, probably in the 40 and a 100-yard sprint.
..NO this thread should have remained positive..agreed McGinnis has the speed, size and smarts to
be a high caliber player..that is what l wanted to stress until some maron talked about his angle..
cracks me up when people say the Duck RB wasn't fast to down play McGinnis chase..l was a 4.6 in
H.S. and this RB looked a lot faster..anyway I'm glad we got break out players like McGinnis!
Not trying to downplay anything, but the fact remains that while McGinnis is indeed very fast, especially for an FCS player, he did not chase down some 4.4 burner of a running back.
ari gold said:grizghost said:
Not trying to downplay anything, but the fact remains that while McGinnis is indeed very fast, especially for an FCS player, he did not chase down some 4.4 burner of a running back.
So, what I hear you saying is, if this Oregon RB stole one of your MacDonald burgers w/cheese, even you could run him down?
HelenaHandBasket
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grizghost said:
That moron probably know how to spell it correctly.
