McDowell vs Vidlak

[Copper Griz]

Man do you ever have that backwards....

QB A: 56/89, 62.9%, 566 yards, 3 TD, 4 INT, 13 sacks (long of 54, ironically, very first pass of the season)
18 rush attempts, -106 yards, -5.9 ypc
QB B: 40/66, 60.6%, 505 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT, 5 sacks, (long of 41, in the last game)
52 rush attempts, 225 yards, 4.2 ypc, 2 TD’s

Which one should be the starter. As he gets more and more comfortable, QB B seems to excel in BOTH areas…Bobby’s inability (or unwillingness) to make a freaking decision in camp and his wishy-washy 2 QB system in all likelihood cost us the NAU game and almost the Ferris State game…

Not being a wise ass. There is no debate to be had at this point. McDowell has the job and is 3-0. Team seems to be firmly behind him. He has the qualities of a good leader. I have nothing against Vidlak and would like to see him get some time, but it isn’t happening against Idaho unless McD totally craps the bed. His running ability is very good and he did pretty well yesterday. He needs to work on his long ball and missed a TD because he didn’t get a little more hang time on a post route. Tough to be critical of him. He just flat got the job done.

 

[AZGrizFan]

QB A: 56/89, 62.9%, 566 yards, 3 TD, 4 INT, 13 sacks (long of 54, ironically, very first pass of the season)
18 rush attempts, -106 yards, -5.9 ypc
QB B: 40/66, 60.6%, 505 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT, 5 sacks, (long of 41, in the last game)
52 rush attempts, 225 yards, 4.2 ypc, 2 TD’s

Which one should be the starter. As he gets more and more comfortable, QB B seems to excel in BOTH areas…Bobby’s inability (or unwillingness) to make a freaking decision in camp and his wishy-washy 2 QB system in all likelihood cost us the NAU game and almost the Ferris State game…

Not being a wise ass. There is no debate to be had at this point. McDowell has the job and is 3-0. Team seems to be firmly behind him. He has the qualities of a good leader. I have nothing against Vidlak and would like to see him get some time, but it isn’t happening against Idaho unless McD totally craps the bed. His running ability is very good and he did pretty well yesterday. He needs to work on his long ball and missed a TD because he didn’t get a little more hang time on a post route. Tough to be critical of him. He just flat got the job done.

Yep. Wide open TD, two fumbles inside the 10 and a missed FG. Despite the O-lines continued struggles, that game should have been a blowout.

 

['68griz]

Not being a wise ass. There is no debate to be had at this point. McDowell has the job and is 3-0. Team seems to be firmly behind him. He has the qualities of a good leader. I have nothing against Vidlak and would like to see him get some time, but it isn’t happening against Idaho unless McD totally craps the bed. His running ability is very good and he did pretty well yesterday. He needs to work on his long ball and missed a TD because he didn’t get a little more hang time on a post route. Tough to be critical of him. He just flat got the job done.

Yep. Wide open TD, two fumbles inside the 10 and a missed FG. Despite the O-lines continued struggles, that game should have been a blowout.

But it wasn't, and the Griz won anyway. FWIW, a blowout doesn't count anymore on the W-L record than a one-point squeaker.

 

[PTGrizzly]

First time watching this Griz this year. McDowell is a clone of Matt McKay.

McKay was a pussy.

McDowell isn’t.

I don’t see the comparison at all. If I remember, McKay was more of a passer than a runner, whereas McDowell is the opposite.

 

[mthoopsfan]

First time watching this Griz this year. McDowell is a clone of Matt McKay.

McKay was a pussy.

McDowell isn’t.

I don’t see the comparison at all. If I remember, McKay was more of a passer than a runner, whereas McDowell is the opposite.

I agree. What a dumb comparison.

Edit: McDowell is listed at 224. McKay was listed at 208 on the Cat roster.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Yep. Wide open TD, two fumbles inside the 10 and a missed FG. Despite the O-lines continued struggles, that game should have been a blowout.

But it wasn't, and the Griz won anyway. FWIW, a blowout doesn't count anymore on the W-L record than a one-point squeaker.

No, but they’re much easier on my heart and blood pressure.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Based on the OL inconsistent play, McDowell is definitely the best option now. I voted for him.

However, if the OL can become a consistently great unit, I believe, Vidlak has a higher ceiling. I do hope we can fit him into the system, with more quick passes.

I'm not really sure, if McDowell can become a better throwing qb on medium to long passes. His accuracy needs improved.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Based on the OL inconsistent play, McDowell is definitely the best option now. I voted for him.

However, if the OL can become a consistently great unit, I believe, Vidlak has a higher ceiling. I do hope we can fit him into the system, with more quick passes.

I'm not really sure, if McDowell can become a better throwing qb on medium to long passes. His accuracy needs improved.

I’d settle for consistently average at this point.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

McD had a very solid first half, but second half not so much

 

[Wolf777]

McD had a very solid first half, but second half not so much

I believe he completed 16 in the first half (many of which were extraordinary adjustments by the receiving core) and 2 in the second half (many poor passes, but a couple drops). His running ability at least keeps the defense honest and will force teams to keep someone up in the box as a spy or in a zone to account for his ability to scramble. Vidlak is a much better passer and if we let him just throw short timing routes with some better pass protection like we did McDowell the last 2 games we might have a different opinion. At this time though McDowell will be the starter for the foreseeable future. I hope his ceiling is higher than we expect, but I believe it is too low to achieve what we need to against better teams.

 

[Oldskoolgriz]

McD had a very solid first half, but second half not so much

I believe he completed 16 in the first half (many of which were extraordinary adjustments by the receiving core) and 2 in the second half (many poor passes, but a couple drops). His running ability at least keeps the defense honest and will force teams to keep someone up in the box as a spy or in a zone to account for his ability to scramble. Vidlak is a much better passer and if we let him just throw short timing routes with some better pass protection like we did McDowell the last 2 games we might have a different opinion. At this time though McDowell will be the starter for the foreseeable future. I hope his ceiling is higher than we expect, but I believe it is too low to achieve what we need to against better teams.

Yeah it's no secret that Vidlak throws a nicer ball then McDowell. But unfortunately in football no o line is going to give the QB 5 seconds to throw the ball everytime. And it's never always the o lines fault for Vidlak getting sacked. Another part is because Vidlak has no pocket presence and can't make plays using his legs. Vidlak is completely one dimensional which leaves not a high ceiling for our offense. To have a successful offense in college and in the pros these days, you need a QB that can do both. And obviously Vidlak can only do 1. While McDowell may not throw the ball as pretty as Vidlak, he can still throw the ball good enough to complete 62% of his passes and throw NO interceptions. McDowell throws the ball better than Vidlak can run the ball or make things happen with his legs which gives a higher ceiling for the offense with McDowell playing instead of Vidlak. Its pretty obvious that McDowell is far more affective than Vidlak is running the offense.

 

[BozAngelesGriz]

If McDowell is #1, I don’t see him getting through the whole season without being dinged up here and there. He’s a playmaker, but scrambles like that with marginal protection from the line are an unfortunate recipe for injury. I hope, as with any athlete at any level, this is not the case. But it is likely we will see both QBs in regular action this year out of necessity.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I believe he completed 16 in the first half (many of which were extraordinary adjustments by the receiving core) and 2 in the second half (many poor passes, but a couple drops). His running ability at least keeps the defense honest and will force teams to keep someone up in the box as a spy or in a zone to account for his ability to scramble. Vidlak is a much better passer and if we let him just throw short timing routes with some better pass protection like we did McDowell the last 2 games we might have a different opinion. At this time though McDowell will be the starter for the foreseeable future. I hope his ceiling is higher than we expect, but I believe it is too low to achieve what we need to against better teams.

Yeah it's no secret that Vidlak throws a nicer ball then McDowell. But unfortunately in football no o line is going to give the QB 5 seconds to throw the ball everytime. And it's never always the o lines fault for Vidlak getting sacked. Another part is because Vidlak has no pocket presence and can't make plays using his legs. Vidlak is completely one dimensional which leaves not a high ceiling for our offense. To have a successful offense in college and in the pros these days, you need a QB that can do both. And obviously Vidlak can only do 1. While McDowell may not throw the ball as pretty as Vidlak, he can still throw the ball good enough to complete 62% of his passes and throw NO interceptions. McDowell throws the ball better than Vidlak can run the ball or make things happen with his legs which gives a higher ceiling for the offense with McDowell playing instead of Vidlak. Its pretty obvious that McDowell is far more affective than Vidlak is running the offense.

One other point. Many of Mcdowells passes were done while running for his life. There was no “better pass protection”… He turned sacks into positive yards a number of times…Vidlak doesn’t appear to have that talent (at least not to the level McDowell does).

 

[UncleRico]

Yeah it's no secret that Vidlak throws a nicer ball then McDowell. But unfortunately in football no o line is going to give the QB 5 seconds to throw the ball everytime. And it's never always the o lines fault for Vidlak getting sacked. Another part is because Vidlak has no pocket presence and can't make plays using his legs. Vidlak is completely one dimensional which leaves not a high ceiling for our offense. To have a successful offense in college and in the pros these days, you need a QB that can do both. And obviously Vidlak can only do 1. While McDowell may not throw the ball as pretty as Vidlak, he can still throw the ball good enough to complete 62% of his passes and throw NO interceptions. McDowell throws the ball better than Vidlak can run the ball or make things happen with his legs which gives a higher ceiling for the offense with McDowell playing instead of Vidlak. Its pretty obvious that McDowell is far more affective than Vidlak is running the offense.

One other point. Many of Mcdowells passes were done while running for his life. There was no “better pass protection”… He turned sacks into positive yards a number of times…Vidlak doesn’t appear to have that talent (at least no to the level McDowell does).

He had one play when he was under pressure the other night that was impressive to me that wasn’t complete. He was forced out of pocket and motioned for Ostmo to go downfield. He did and just threw it a bit out his reach. But it was a heady play under pressure. I think it was the same series he converted a 3rd and 17 on a run. I think besides his athletic ability he is very smart. Being in the front row in Davis rather than my Wa-Griz North End Zone seat I could see his calm demeanor also. I’m a big fan of not only his play now but also what Griz can do to use his talents down the road. I think he was a GREAT find in the portal. Other great find was Riley Wilson.

 

[AZGrizFan]

One other point. Many of Mcdowells passes were done while running for his life. There was no “better pass protection”… He turned sacks into positive yards a number of times…Vidlak doesn’t appear to have that talent (at least no to the level McDowell does).

He had one play when he was under pressure the other night that was impressive to me that wasn’t complete. He was forced out of pocket and motioned for Ostmo to go downfield. He did and just threw it a bit out his reach. But it was a heady play under pressure. I think it was the same series he converted a 3rd and 17 on a run. I think besides his athletic ability he is very smart. Being in the front row in Davis rather than my Wa-Griz North End Zone seat I could see his calm demeanor also. I’m a big fan of not only his play now but also what Griz can do to use his talents down the road. I think he was a GREAT find in the portal. Other great find was Riley Wilson.

Saw that play on the highlights…he missed him by a mile…

My primary concern with McDowell is this: his receivers made some AMAZING catches against UCD. Rarely are his passes “in stride”…many are behind, over the head, etc, etc. Not only did he miss Ostmo on the play in question, he missed a wide OPEN WR over the middle by 5 yards that would have been a sure TD. Im not sure we can count on that performance by the receivers every week…I know his “numbers” look great, but I have real concerns with both the protection he’s getting and his ability to put a ball on a dime when necessary.