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McDowell vs Vidlak

Who should be the starting Griz QB

  • Clifton McDowell

    Votes: 75 72.8%

  • Sam Vidlak

    Votes: 24 23.3%

  • Bobcats suck

    Votes: 53 51.5%
  • Total voters
    103
SaskGriz said:
go96griz said:
McDowell is a terrible passer (not accurate, not on time, not strong, etc.) and he will not be able to beat any decent teams when they have to use with his arm. I guess they can throw Vidlak in at that point...
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Nothing against Vidlak, just responding to your comment. McDowell has completed a higher percentage of passes with more yards per completion and has not been picked off. "Terrible"? Please explain.
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Lots of respect for you Sask so nothing personal in my response. I could give a crap about a qb's completion % when he is late with the ball, doesn't allow a receiver to make yards after catch due to poor throws, and can't throw it accurately past 10 yards. On paper, McDowell had a great throwing game last weekend. In person, I see a large amount of short throws using very poor throwing mechanics which lead to bad or late placement and no ability to make a play after the catch. I won't argue anything else about Vidlak other than he throws a beautiful ball which is almost always on time and to the right spot. If I'm a receiver, I'm loving the way Vidlak puts me in position to win after the catch. If I'm a receiver, I'm not happy that McDowell can't throw me the ball down the field and doesn't give me a chance to make a move on short routes due to all the above issues.

But McDowell is big and he can run...
 
Each QB without a doubt have skills that differ from each other. Vidlak has moments and I think could be a good player with more experience. I don't think at this point in time its' the skill that is separating them. Watching practice and games, Vidlak does not look ready to lead, McDowell does. McDowell just shows a fire while he is running the offense I haven't seen from Vidlak. Confidence coming from a leader cannot be overstated on how it impacts a team.

Sneed, the last solid QB we had, obviously had a lot of skill as well, but he was a phenomenal leader. First one on the field, last one off. Always waiting by the sideline to encourage the team, whether it was after a punt or touchdown, he was always there leading. Seems like the team needs to continue to grow confidence around a leader to really reach their potential as an offense. Looks to me like right now, McDowell is that dude to follow.
 
Vidlak is the better QB, but McDowell should start. This is entirely due to the O-line - they are terrible pass blockers and maybe above average run blockers. McDowell gives us a shot.

Also, this tells us how underrated our QBs (when healthy) were these last few years, especially Sneed and Johnson. Both had elite mobility/escapability and very good arms.
 
Rural Juror said:
Vidlak is the better QB, but McDowell should start. This is entirely due to the O-line - they are terrible pass blockers and maybe above average run blockers. McDowell gives us a shot.

Also, this tells us how underrated our QBs (when healthy) were these last few years, especially Sneed and Johnson. Both had elite mobility/escapability and very good arms.
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I agree with most of what you said. But I think that McDowell even with consistent O Line play would be present more challenges to a defense. But I do also agree that with protection Vidlak throws a nice ball. Sneed was tough as hell. He got lit up a lot. Biggest thing I think would help McDowell would be to let him rip a few deep even if not completed just to back people up.
 
Sorry but a little off topic but I believe both offensive line coaches got to get fired NOW!
I also believe we see Ah Yat on the field at some
point, but not enough to effect his eligibility.
The young man is pretty damn good at throwing the ball
and running for his life because the offensive line
Are the WORST coached group in all of the BSC.
 
The o-line was much better from NAU to ISU. I'm hoping, and expecting, much better o-line play. We shall see. If the o-line is going to be mediocre or worse, the Griz aren't going to get it done. I'd give the whole line to Germer to coach, to have them all under the same coach all the time.
 
mthoopsfan said:
The o-line was much better from NAU to ISU. I'm hoping, and expecting, much better o-line play. We shall see. If the o-line is going to be mediocre or worse, the Griz aren't going to get it done. I'd give the whole line to Germer to coach, to have them all under the same coach all the time.
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Yes, because it’s worked so well prior to this year. :lol: :lol:
 
McDowell is the superior QB in every way. Makes better decisions, can pass and run, reads defenses, doesnt turn into a deer staring at headlights, plays with fire and confidence, and he keeps the opponents defense guessing. He's a baller. Vidlak reminds me of Kris Brown with a slightly better arm.
 
Also Vidlak has turned the ball over an undesirable amount of times. How many times has McDowell fumbled or thrown into compared?


Once again, I stated "don't be surprised if McDowell ends up being the starter" back when he committed and for good reason.
 
go96griz said:
SaskGriz said:
Nothing against Vidlak, just responding to your comment. McDowell has completed a higher percentage of passes with more yards per completion and has not been picked off. "Terrible"? Please explain.
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Lots of respect for you Sask so nothing personal in my response. I could give a crap about a qb's completion % when he is late with the ball, doesn't allow a receiver to make yards after catch due to poor throws, and can't throw it accurately past 10 yards. On paper, McDowell had a great throwing game last weekend. In person, I see a large amount of short throws using very poor throwing mechanics which lead to bad or late placement and no ability to make a play after the catch. I won't argue anything else about Vidlak other than he throws a beautiful ball which is almost always on time and to the right spot. If I'm a receiver, I'm loving the way Vidlak puts me in position to win after the catch. If I'm a receiver, I'm not happy that McDowell can't throw me the ball down the field and doesn't give me a chance to make a move on short routes due to all the above issues.

But McDowell is big and he can run...
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Vidlak has made worse throws than McDowell. Aka what has lead to his ints. He panicks and tries to force the ball into tight coverage, when there's a receiver wide open not 10 yards away. He's not ready and he's not even close to being ready. I've seen Vidlak throw a lot of passes short as well. Just because you had a boner for him when you learned he was transferring here, doesn't mean he's a better QB. He's not and that's evident to how the whole offense performs when he's on the field vs when McDowell is.
 
This is hard to decipher, as they all are bad, except for Ferris St, but does anyone consider the defenses of the teams each quarterback has started against? ISU, and Tech are horrible.
 
AZGrizFan said:
mthoopsfan said:
The o-line was much better from NAU to ISU. I'm hoping, and expecting, much better o-line play. We shall see. If the o-line is going to be mediocre or worse, the Griz aren't going to get it done. I'd give the whole line to Germer to coach, to have them all under the same coach all the time.
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Yes, because it’s worked so well prior to this year. :lol: :lol:
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The o- line was pretty good last year. 2 all conference players plus Walker. It worked well.
 
nzone said:
It just seems that both Vidlak and McDowell would be able to be effective in specific situations. The RPO works well with McDowell and the play action with Vidlak. Just because Vidlak is in that doesn't mean the run game goes away and just because McDowell goes in that doesn't mean the pass game goes away. Is it the offensive line can't adjust or the coaches can't game plan?
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Unfortunately, that’s what we’ve seen. Feels like when Vidlak is in, the Griz suddenly can’t run block. And when McDowell is in they don’t pass block as well.

TLDR - this team goes as the OL goes.
 
Rural Juror said:
Vidlak is the better QB, but McDowell should start. This is entirely due to the O-line - they are terrible pass blockers and maybe above average run blockers. McDowell gives us a shot.

Also, this tells us how underrated our QBs (when healthy) were these last few years, especially Sneed and Johnson. Both had elite mobility/escapability and very good arms.
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They're below average in all aspects.
 
indiancoyote said:
Rural Juror said:
Vidlak is the better QB, but McDowell should start. This is entirely due to the O-line - they are terrible pass blockers and maybe above average run blockers. McDowell gives us a shot.

Also, this tells us how underrated our QBs (when healthy) were these last few years, especially Sneed and Johnson. Both had elite mobility/escapability and very good arms.
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They're below average in all aspects.
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Are they? Or are they a product of the O-line? When was the last time we had an “elite” QB?
 
indiancoyote said:
AZGrizFan said:
Are they? Or are they a product of the O-line? When was the last time we had an “elite” QB?
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Watch Walker and tell me if it would matter who was playing QB.
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I misread your post. I thought you were talking bout the QB’s being below average in all respects.

We agree.
 
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