Let me get this straight...

[Ursa Major]

Do you have anything to refute the stats he posted, or do you have nothing but dick jokes left?

There is nothing to refute. The guy always has to be right. Our defense this year is SOFT! Gregorak only knows how to run a cover 2 and a cover 4 defense. Once in a great while he'll blitz a LB but pretty much he just likes to have our D sit back and let them come to us. It should be the other way around. DB's are giving the wideouts 12-15 yards before the ball is even snapped.. No pressure defense what so ever. There is nothing wrong against bringing the house ever once in a while or blitz a corner from the edge. He is the exact same spitting image of Paulsen and it drives me nuts..

How many corner blitzes have you seen this year? Safety blitzes? Breske seems to have taken these pages from the playbook with him when he left. Those are easily established numbers that can be compared to last year. Gregorak is just not as aggressive as Breske was. Yes, circumstances and players have changed but for me it's simply a question of the coaches' philosophical perspectives. I miss the aggressive approach.

Fair enough, but is it really a good idea to blitz from the secondary when they can barely do their jobs as it is?

Obviously a gamble and not something you do a lot of. But do you remember Tru and Jimmy blitzing the last couple of years. Their speed gave the QB & receivers little time to develop a pass downfield which somewhat neutralized the speed factor of having LBs covering. Both were just ferocious hitters too, especially Jimmy. QBs wanted little to do with either of them after those hits.

 

[Ursa Major]

Do you have anything to refute the stats he posted, or do you have nothing but dick jokes left?

There is nothing to refute. The guy always has to be right. Our defense this year is SOFT! Gregorak only knows how to run a cover 2 and a cover 4 defense. Once in a great while he'll blitz a LB but pretty much he just likes to have our D sit back and let them come to us. It should be the other way around. DB's are giving the wideouts 12-15 yards before the ball is even snapped.. No pressure defense what so ever. There is nothing wrong against bringing the house ever once in a while or blitz a corner from the edge. He is the exact same spitting image of Paulsen and it drives me nuts..

How many corner blitzes have you seen this year? Safety blitzes? Breske seems to have taken these pages from the playbook with him when he left. Those are easily established numbers that can be compared to last year. Gregorak is just not as aggressive as Breske was. Yes, circumstances and players have changed but for me it's simply a question of the coaches' philosophical perspectives. I miss the aggressive approach.

No one is as aggressive as Breske. No one likes to blitz more. Some people believe Breske is too aggressive. Defensive calls also depend on the personnel on the field.

I will agree with you on Breske, he was certainly the king of blitzes. I also agree he was able to do more gambling with the talent he had. I just think many of us on the board would like to see Gregorak throw the dice more on using blitzes to put pressure on QBs. Hard to watch those 3rd and 7 plays get made over and over while we sit in base coverage.

 

[tnt]

I will agree with you on Breske, he was certainly the king of blitzes. I also agree he was able to do more gambling with the talent he had. I just think many of us on the board would like to see Gregorak throw the dice more on using blitzes to put pressure on QBs. Hard to watch those 3rd and 7 plays get made over and over while we sit in base coverage.

I'd love that too, bu the reality is its easier to see those third and sevens get made than a TD from getting burned. Now maybe the QB's we've seen so far are NOT as fast getting the ball off as it seems but maybe they are......

 

[grizcountry420]

I will agree with you on Breske, he was certainly the king of blitzes. I also agree he was able to do more gambling with the talent he had. I just think many of us on the board would like to see Gregorak throw the dice more on using blitzes to put pressure on QBs. Hard to watch those 3rd and 7 plays get made over and over while we sit in base coverage.

I'd love that too, bu the reality is its easier to see those third and sevens get made than a TD from getting burned. Now maybe the QB's we've seen so far are NOT as fast getting the ball off as it seems but maybe they are......

We have to be able to stop those 3rd and 7 plays because once they get into the red zone it has been guaranteed points for the other team.. The opposing side has scored a touchdown 73% of the time once they enter the redzone and we have yet to stop anyone from scoring any points once inside the red zone.

 

[tnt]

I will agree with you on Breske, he was certainly the king of blitzes. I also agree he was able to do more gambling with the talent he had. I just think many of us on the board would like to see Gregorak throw the dice more on using blitzes to put pressure on QBs. Hard to watch those 3rd and 7 plays get made over and over while we sit in base coverage.

I'd love that too, bu the reality is its easier to see those third and sevens get made than a TD from getting burned. Now maybe the QB's we've seen so far are NOT as fast getting the ball off as it seems but maybe they are......

We have to be able to stop those 3rd and 7 plays because once they get into the red zone it has been guaranteed points for the other team.. The opposing side has scored a touchdown 73% of the time once they enter the redzone and we have yet to stop anyone from scoring any points once inside the red zone.

I agree, but the fact is we can't even accomplish BASIC coverage most of the time. Heck Eastern was dropping the Ball in on us in what I think was our version of double coverage??? But I agree this bump and run stuff has to stop.........

 

[PlayerRep]

There is nothing to refute. The guy always has to be right. Our defense this year is SOFT! Gregorak only knows how to run a cover 2 and a cover 4 defense. Once in a great while he'll blitz a LB but pretty much he just likes to have our D sit back and let them come to us. It should be the other way around. DB's are giving the wideouts 12-15 yards before the ball is even snapped.. No pressure defense what so ever. There is nothing wrong against bringing the house ever once in a while or blitz a corner from the edge. He is the exact same spitting image of Paulsen and it drives me nuts..

How many corner blitzes have you seen this year? Safety blitzes? Breske seems to have taken these pages from the playbook with him when he left. Those are easily established numbers that can be compared to last year. Gregorak is just not as aggressive as Breske was. Yes, circumstances and players have changed but for me it's simply a question of the coaches' philosophical perspectives. I miss the aggressive approach.

Fair enough, but is it really a good idea to blitz from the secondary when they can barely do their jobs as it is?

Obviously a gamble and not something you do a lot of. But do you remember Tru and Jimmy blitzing the last couple of years. Their speed gave the QB & receivers little time to develop a pass downfield which somewhat neutralized the speed factor of having LBs covering. Both were just ferocious hitters too, especially Jimmy. QBs wanted little to do with either of them after those hits.

Why haven't we recruited more NFL caliber corners and safeties? What's wrong with Delaney? What's he thinking?

 

[Ursa Major]

How many corner blitzes have you seen this year? Safety blitzes? Breske seems to have taken these pages from the playbook with him when he left. Those are easily established numbers that can be compared to last year. Gregorak is just not as aggressive as Breske was. Yes, circumstances and players have changed but for me it's simply a question of the coaches' philosophical perspectives. I miss the aggressive approach.

Fair enough, but is it really a good idea to blitz from the secondary when they can barely do their jobs as it is?

Obviously a gamble and not something you do a lot of. But do you remember Tru and Jimmy blitzing the last couple of years. Their speed gave the QB & receivers little time to develop a pass downfield which somewhat neutralized the speed factor of having LBs covering. Both were just ferocious hitters too, especially Jimmy. QBs wanted little to do with either of them after those hits.

Why haven't we recruited more NFL caliber corners and safeties? What's wrong with Delaney? What's he thinking?

I believe the safeties and the CBs could do the same this season if GIVEN THE CHANCE. Not sure that comment deserved to be mocked but what ever.

Why don't we stick to the debate from above, is Gregorak aggressive enough? I think a lot of us are saying no and the cover 2 ain't cutting it. We want to see more pressure (i.e. blitzing) being put on opposing QBs.

 

[grizcountry420]

I will agree with you on Breske, he was certainly the king of blitzes. I also agree he was able to do more gambling with the talent he had. I just think many of us on the board would like to see Gregorak throw the dice more on using blitzes to put pressure on QBs. Hard to watch those 3rd and 7 plays get made over and over while we sit in base coverage.

I'd love that too, bu the reality is its easier to see those third and sevens get made than a TD from getting burned. Now maybe the QB's we've seen so far are NOT as fast getting the ball off as it seems but maybe they are......

We have to be able to stop those 3rd and 7 plays because once they get into the red zone it has been guaranteed points for the other team.. The opposing side has scored a touchdown 73% of the time once they enter the redzone and we have yet to stop anyone from scoring any points once inside the red zone.

I agree, but the fact is we can't even accomplish BASIC coverage most of the time. Heck Eastern was dropping the Ball in on us in what I think was our version of double coverage??? But I agree this bump and run stuff has to stop.........

:lol:

Hopefully our coverage will get better as the season goes on and we'll be able to throw in some wrinkles on defense.....

 

[mikegriz]

Fair enough, but is it really a good idea to blitz from the secondary when they can barely do their jobs as it is?

Obviously a gamble and not something you do a lot of. But do you remember Tru and Jimmy blitzing the last couple of years. Their speed gave the QB & receivers little time to develop a pass downfield which somewhat neutralized the speed factor of having LBs covering. Both were just ferocious hitters too, especially Jimmy. QBs wanted little to do with either of them after those hits.

Why haven't we recruited more NFL caliber corners and safeties? What's wrong with Delaney? What's he thinking?

I believe the safeties and the CBs could do the same this season if GIVEN THE CHANCE. Not sure that comment deserved to be mocked but what ever.

Why don't we stick to the debate from above, is Gregorak aggressive enough? I think a lot of us are saying no and the cover 2 ain't cutting it. We want to see more pressure (i.e. blitzing) being put on opposing QBs.

Don't know much, but I do know I agree with the posters who miss the more aggressive D. It was exciting and fun to watch. Right now (and yes, I may say something different at a later date!) I'd rather see the D get burned occasionally because they blitzed than the predictable march to the red zone and score when the other team passes. It's not like getting burned on the blitz will produce a worse outcome from what's happening now. What say you arm chair DCs?

 

[stubbins]

Do you have anything to refute the stats he posted, or do you have nothing but dick jokes left?

There is nothing to refute. The guy always has to be right. Our defense this year is SOFT! Gregorak only knows how to run a cover 2 and a cover 4 defense. Once in a great while he'll blitz a LB but pretty much he just likes to have our D sit back and let them come to us. It should be the other way around. DB's are giving the wideouts 12-15 yards before the ball is even snapped.. No pressure defense what so ever. There is nothing wrong against bringing the house ever once in a while or blitz a corner from the edge. He is the exact same spitting image of Paulsen and it drives me nuts..

How many corner blitzes have you seen this year? Safety blitzes? Breske seems to have taken these pages from the playbook with him when he left. Those are easily established numbers that can be compared to last year. Gregorak is just not as aggressive as Breske was. Yes, circumstances and players have changed but for me it's simply a question of the coaches' philosophical perspectives. I miss the aggressive approach.

Fair enough, but is it really a good idea to blitz from the secondary when they can barely do their jobs as it is?

YES! If they aren't doing anything anyways, send em and see if they can make an impact that way.

 

[bigforkgriz]

I will agree with you on Breske, he was certainly the king of blitzes. I also agree he was able to do more gambling with the talent he had. I just think many of us on the board would like to see Gregorak throw the dice more on using blitzes to put pressure on QBs. Hard to watch those 3rd and 7 plays get made over and over while we sit in base coverage.

I'd love that too, bu the reality is its easier to see those third and sevens get made than a TD from getting burned. Now maybe the QB's we've seen so far are NOT as fast getting the ball off as it seems but maybe they are......

We have to be able to stop those 3rd and 7 plays because once they get into the red zone it has been guaranteed points for the other team.. The opposing side has scored a touchdown 73% of the time once they enter the redzone and we have yet to stop anyone from scoring any points once inside the red zone.

I agree, but the fact is we can't even accomplish BASIC coverage most of the time. Heck Eastern was dropping the Ball in on us in what I think was our version of double coverage??? But I agree this bump and run stuff has to stop.........

You seem to be a little confused. Bump and run is what we are not doing. It is when the DB lines up right in front of the receiver and tries to bump him coming off the line to disrupt his route running. We are lining up 10 yards or more away from the receiver.

 

[kurtismichael]

Not that anyone gives a crap but I enjoyed watching Breske's defense more than Paulson's or Gregorak's. The only facts I can throw out is 2001 National Champs with Breske as coordinator.

Gregorak is the D Corrdinator now and like him or not I'll support the Griz. Breske has moved on and might as well look forward not backward.

 

[BWahlberg]

Anyone know why Coogan hasn't seen time?

Unfortunately, Coogan's career is over from that neck/ spine injury that occured during camp. His injury hurt
the secondary too. He was a junior coming in. Just his presence in the deep middle would have "cleaned" things up a bit. No receiver would want any part of him coming over the middle. Plus he was a born tackler.

Crap - I didn't know that, that sucks.

 

[PlayerRep]

Did you guys notice what happened when we double-teamed Kaufman on the last drive? Yes, it's true; we double-teamed Kaufman. Screen pass for long yardage. Darn.

 

[PlayerRep]

I assume everyone is aware that the type and quality of a team's personnel impacts what types of defenses that can be called, and how much? And the type of offense, formation and personnel of the offense also influences the defensive calls. And zone coverage is often a better choice, or at least the better choice more often, when your d-backs, especially corners, are less experience or less talented (than the likes of Tru). And it's generally harder to play man coverage than zone coverage. And it's not easy at all to play bump and run, or press coveage. And it's very helpful to have strong corners who can jam and be physical when playing bump and run, or press. And more experienced secondarys are usually better than less experienced ones. And it's really hard for a first-year 5'11" d-back to keep up with and outjump and a fast 6'5" all-american receiver who has very good hands and can jump.

 

[PlayerRep]

I'd love that too, bu the reality is its easier to see those third and sevens get made than a TD from getting burned. Now maybe the QB's we've seen so far are NOT as fast getting the ball off as it seems but maybe they are......

We have to be able to stop those 3rd and 7 plays because once they get into the red zone it has been guaranteed points for the other team.. The opposing side has scored a touchdown 73% of the time once they enter the redzone and we have yet to stop anyone from scoring any points once inside the red zone.

I agree, but the fact is we can't even accomplish BASIC coverage most of the time. Heck Eastern was dropping the Ball in on us in what I think was our version of double coverage??? But I agree this bump and run stuff has to stop.........

You seem to be a little confused. Bump and run is what we are not doing. It is when the DB lines up right in front of the receiver and tries to bump him coming off the line to disrupt his route running. We are lining up 10 yards or more away from the receiver.

I assume TNT meant to say that all of the "bump and grind" stuff has to stop.

 

[tnt]

Bump and grind might be closer to what was going on the end of second quarter in Cheney, and I'm sorry but it sure looked like bump and run to me, but I was only watching the right side and was pretty much at field level. They made initial contact and dropped back even further......

So what is it called?

 

[bigforkgriz]

Bump and grind might be closer to what was going on the end of second quarter in Cheney, and I'm sorry but it sure looked like bump and run to me, but I was only watching the right side and was pretty much at field level. They made initial contact and dropped back even further......

So what is it called?

I was in Cheney at the top of the east stands and never saw anything that resembled press coverage. The closest I saw a Griz DB to the line of scrimmage was at best five yards.

 

[argh!]

i think greenie made a funny, bomber. i laughed.

 

[NewPapaBear]

Well Done!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: