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Krakauer getting defensive?

It's no different than it is at the Republican convention, when dissenters get shouted down with "USA! USA!" People are guilty of this behavior on both the left and the right.

Here's my takeaway:

1. Krakauer's event was just a marketing tool to sell more books.

2. The newspaper took full advantage as a way to sell more newspapers and get more clicks on their website.

3. The commentary on this site brings even more attention to the issue, which perpetuates 1 and 2 above.

Do you think the people who shouted down Mr. Dove are bringing people who share Mr. Dove's viewpoints over to their side?

How about the people on this site who call the author "Krak-whore?" Are they swaying the shouters to their side?

Of course not. People don't want to hear dissenting viewpoints. They only want to hear confirmation of the things they already believe.

So let me add a #4 to my list: Missoula is looking stupider by the minute.
 
AllWeatherFan said:
It's no different than it is at the Republican convention, when dissenters get shouted down with "USA! USA!" People are guilty of this behavior on both the left and the right.

Here's my takeaway:

1. Krakauer's event was just a marketing tool to sell more books.

2. The newspaper took full advantage as a way to sell more newspapers and get more clicks on their website.

3. The commentary on this site brings more attention to the issue, which perpetuates 1 and 2 above.

Do you think the people who shouted down Mr. Dove are bringing people who share Mr. Dove's viewpoints over to their side?

How about the people on this site who call the author "Krak-whore?" Are they swaying people to their side?

Of course not. People don't want to hear dissenting viewpoints. They only want to hear confirmation of the things they already believe.

So let me add a #4 to my list: Missoula is looking stupider by the minute.
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Good post, AWF.
 
Boscoe said:
Liberals?! These people are far too extreme to be labeled as merely liberals. Myself and many liberals that I know don't support this type of sentiment.
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:thumb:
 
The guy (Thomas Dove) that tried to ask the questions last night was on the Peter Christian radio show (Newstalkkgvo) for about 20 minutes this morning. If anybody knows how to put the link up EGriz it would be very informative. He made a lot of really good points about how one sided the book is and how it actually does a disservice to rape victims.
 
grizcountry420 said:
After watching the video it just goes to show how packed that room was full of liberals. It was a typical liberal response by heckling the man that was holding the microphone. Krakauer and audience didn't like what they were hearing so they threw a fit. It went against their agenda, how embarrassing!
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Whoa there partner, change a few words around and it would sound the same

After watching the video it just goes to show how packed that room was full of conservatives. It was a typical conservative response by heckling the man that was holding the microphone. Krakauer and audience didn't like what they were hearing so they threw a fit. It went against their agenda, how embarrassing![/quote]

Kinda of like what would happen at the tea party forum.
 
AllWeatherFan said:
It's no different than it is at the Republican convention, when dissenters get shouted down with "USA! USA!" People are guilty of this behavior on both the left and the right.

Here's my takeaway:

1. Krakauer's event was just a marketing tool to sell more books.

2. The newspaper took full advantage as a way to sell more newspapers and get more clicks on their website.

3. The commentary on this site brings even more attention to the issue, which perpetuates 1 and 2 above.

Do you think the people who shouted down Mr. Dove are bringing people who share Mr. Dove's viewpoints over to their side?

How about the people on this site who call the author "Krak-whore?" Are they swaying the shouters to their side?

Of course not. People don't want to hear dissenting viewpoints. They only want to hear confirmation of the things they already believe.

So let me add a #4 to my list: Missoula is looking stupider by the minute.
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No offense intended but I think it is a bit naïve to believe that anything anyone could say publicly is going to affect opinions one way or another. Just about everything at this point is the expression of frustration that things didn't turn out the way they wanted or expected. People seem fairly entrenched and even people who have been consistently proven wrong, such as getgrizzy, are unwilling to concede anything. What I can't figure out is whether this is a particularly sad state of affairs or is it the way that things have always been and we are now just more aware of it than in the past? Unfortunately it is probably both.
 
fanofzoo said:
grizcountry420 said:
After watching the video it just goes to show how packed that room was full of liberals. It was a typical liberal response by heckling the man that was holding the microphone. Krakauer and audience didn't like what they were hearing so they threw a fit. It went against their agenda, how embarrassing!
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Whoa there partner, change a few words around and it would sound the same

After watching the video it just goes to show how packed that room was full of conservatives. It was a typical conservative response by heckling the man that was holding the microphone. Krakauer and audience didn't like what they were hearing so they threw a fit. It went against their agenda, how embarrassing!
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Kinda of like what would happen at the tea party forum.[/quote]

Except this wan't sold as a liberal forum, and it wasn't the meet and greet opportunity for the community to confront the author, as it was sold. Only if this had been sold as a liberal love-fest to stroke the ego of a courageous pioneer in nature's darkest corner of inequality of the sexes, would the analogy fit.
 
AllWeatherFan said:
It's no different than it is at the Republican convention, when dissenters get shouted down with "USA! USA!" People are guilty of this behavior on both the left and the right.

Here's my takeaway:

1. Krakauer's event was just a marketing tool to sell more books.

2. The newspaper took full advantage as a way to sell more newspapers and get more clicks on their website.

3. The commentary on this site brings even more attention to the issue, which perpetuates 1 and 2 above.

Do you think the people who shouted down Mr. Dove are bringing people who share Mr. Dove's viewpoints over to their side?

How about the people on this site who call the author "Krak-whore?" Are they swaying the shouters to their side?

Of course not. People don't want to hear dissenting viewpoints. They only want to hear confirmation of the things they already believe.

So let me add a #4 to my list: Missoula is looking stupider by the minute.
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Is it even possible for Missoula to look any stupider?

Really, the way they fail at recycling and then elect a sheriff that broke campaign laws AFTER they already paid him a lawsuit in which he couldnt even handle a small office situation? McDermott is who they hire to serve and protect? LOL

They have lawyers online that defend criminal activity, DUIs, rape, assault, home invasions and threaten other people. Yes stupid........ha

Missoula gets everything they earn and it is not possible to look any stupider than they do or are.
 
Boscoe said:
Liberals?! These people are far too extreme to be labeled as merely liberals. Myself and many liberals that I know don't support this type of sentiment.
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My thoughts exactly...
 
Boscoe said:
Liberals?! These people are far too extreme to be labeled as merely liberals. Myself and many liberals that I know don't support this type of sentiment.
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Its all about power and control...........shocked you dont approve. Lib calling card and all :roll:
 
Grisly Fan said:
AllWeatherFan said:
It's no different than it is at the Republican convention, when dissenters get shouted down with "USA! USA!" People are guilty of this behavior on both the left and the right.

Here's my takeaway:

1. Krakauer's event was just a marketing tool to sell more books.

2. The newspaper took full advantage as a way to sell more newspapers and get more clicks on their website.

3. The commentary on this site brings even more attention to the issue, which perpetuates 1 and 2 above.

Do you think the people who shouted down Mr. Dove are bringing people who share Mr. Dove's viewpoints over to their side?

How about the people on this site who call the author "Krak-whore?" Are they swaying the shouters to their side?

Of course not. People don't want to hear dissenting viewpoints. They only want to hear confirmation of the things they already believe.

So let me add a #4 to my list: Missoula is looking stupider by the minute.
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No offense intended but I think it is a bit naïve to believe that anything anyone could say publicly is going to affect opinions one way or another. Just about everything at this point is the expression of frustration that things didn't turn out the way they wanted or expected. People seem fairly entrenched and even people who have been consistently proven wrong, such as getgrizzy, are unwilling to concede anything. What I can't figure out is whether this is a particularly sad state of affairs or is it the way that things have always been and we are now just more aware of it than in the past? Unfortunately it is probably both.
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Trust me, GF, I don't have any illusions that anything said on a this site or in any other forum could change any opinions. I don't think it's a new phenomenon, either.
 
super_eagle13 said:
AWF is right about the lack of mind-changing (at least for the people who bother to go to such events).

But there is definitely some interesting asymmetry in how liberals use rhetoric and it's usually more embarrassing to them because, remember, they're the good people who champion tolerance and openness and diversity by demanding everyone think exactly like them.

So just as a thought experiment, imagine if Mr. Krakauer had, as some of us were hoping, written a book about rape in a college town from the perspective of most of the posters on this site? And let's say he then staged a phony forum to which he only admitted, say, eGrizzers to clap and whistle as he gives non-answers to softball questions.

Would lefties show their agitation by having one man ask a reasonable question with utmost civility?

Get real, man!

There'd be howling hipster marches, clouds of patchouli, hundreds of hirsute coeds hoisting signs and the inevitable die-ins and bomb threats. Whole thing would probably get shut down and the news media would be there cheering them on. It's always 1968 for these people.
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No, there's no asymmetry at all.
 
When that lawyer started going after Krakauer... am I the only one that thought, "you go get him PlayerRep!!!" :lol:
 
EverettGriz said:
I think the comment about having information he shouldn't have is more blow from an individual trying too hard to establish that he has "inside info" than it is fact. I didn't see much in the book that wasn't part of the public record or discourse. Just my two cents.
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He clearly did get more stuff than what is public and in transcripts. For example, he has the tape or transcript of the Johnson hearing at the university. Don't think he's supposed to have that. Krakauer said this to Solon.com: "I have all these audio recordings of university investigations and police interviews. I’m not supposed to have this stuff, and I can’t say how I got it, and it’s so much more valuable." Don't think he's supposed to have police interviews either. This is not my area, but my guess is that having some of this may be a criminal violation for either the person who provided it or Krak, or both.

Edit: From the link in another thread, and an interview with the lawyer "heckler":

"Dove says he used a quote that Krakauer gave to the Missoulian to form the basis of the unheard question: “I got a lot of documents that I’m not supposed to have,” Krakauer told Missoulian reporter Keila Szpaller, back on April 18.

“I said, ‘Are these [documents] illegally in your possession?’” Dove said. “That’s when he took the mic away from me. He told me, ‘I’m not going to answer.’[Then] I asked ‘did you break the law, either state or federal, in either obtaining or using these documents, such as violations of the Montana Criminal Confidentiality Act?’ He said ‘reporter’s defense law.’ He was very nervous there, that’s when he walked away. This was all off the microphone, I was trying to get him to speak so that people could hear.”
 
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