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Krakauer getting defensive?
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statler & waldorf
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qsnap said:
Kipp's observation about missing a interesting interaction at the end of the Krakauer Hour was pretty insightful for someone his age. Also reinforces my theory that a large number of eGriz posters are in middle school.
super_eagle13
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super_eagle13 said:
I smell a ban hammer coming.
super_eagle13
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super_eagle13 said:
But it is an anti-super_eagle13 forum.
mtgrizrule
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super_eagle13 said:
Then how in the hell are you posting on it?
statler & waldorf
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MrTitleist said:
The sooner the better.
MrTitleist said:
:clap:
super_eagle13
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statler & waldorf
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Bye.
Alaska Griz
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I can't believe the crowd shouted the guy down who was asking questions. It's as if they've read the book as gospel and don't want anything to conflict with their interpretation. Sad really, I did a Masters in Literature and studied a lot in nonfiction and I would really actually want to see the conversation going on here.
It's interesting that Krauk is a writer of creative nonfiction (one of the most popular genres of writing now, and certainly best-selling), and yet the crowd is not interested in the craft or vehicle which he rode to get through his preconceived points. Or perhaps the craft is overshadowing. I see a crowd responding in emotional defense. What are they defending? Were they thinking they were protecting the hero who uncovered the "truth about Missoula?" The lady yelling "rape is real" before the guy could settle into his stance in the video says alot, and set the tone for the onslaught of boos.
It's as if people are shamed when asking questions of authenticity and objective writing, in this case simply because the topic is emotionally charged. The crowd reaction was a bit embarrassing. We learn valuable lessons by understanding and addressing problems. Don't we also learn from stepping back and examining our emotions, and motives throughout the process? I think this what the speaker may have been attempting to address.
It's interesting that Krauk is a writer of creative nonfiction (one of the most popular genres of writing now, and certainly best-selling), and yet the crowd is not interested in the craft or vehicle which he rode to get through his preconceived points. Or perhaps the craft is overshadowing. I see a crowd responding in emotional defense. What are they defending? Were they thinking they were protecting the hero who uncovered the "truth about Missoula?" The lady yelling "rape is real" before the guy could settle into his stance in the video says alot, and set the tone for the onslaught of boos.
It's as if people are shamed when asking questions of authenticity and objective writing, in this case simply because the topic is emotionally charged. The crowd reaction was a bit embarrassing. We learn valuable lessons by understanding and addressing problems. Don't we also learn from stepping back and examining our emotions, and motives throughout the process? I think this what the speaker may have been attempting to address.
I think this is the guy. Sad so many didn't want to hear what he had to say. Question Krakauer? How dare you! And to physically take away his microphone, his voice? I'm pretty certain he was about to say things Krakauer didn't want the public to hear.
Note: This is a bit outdated. Seems he settled into Missoula has now retired.
Thomas P. Dove
Born in Washington, D.C.; University of Maryland, (B.A., Political Science, cum laude); Boalt Hall School of Law, University of California (J.D., 1971); recipient, Traynor Cup, Outstanding Individual Advocate, California State Moot Court Championship. Contributing author, Practicing Law Institute: Rule 23 Class Actions. Former associate, Paul, Weiss, Rifkind & Garrison, New York.
Tom Dove has practiced law for over thirty-six years, twenty-eight of which were in the California Attorney General's Office, including fifteen years in the Antitrust Section, Public Rights Division, and ten years as Supervising Deputy Attorney General, Antitrust, San Francisco.
Tom has served as co-lead counsel in numerous antitrust class actions, including In re Petroleum Products Antitrust Litigation (9th Cir. 1990) 906 F.2d 432, and In re Disposable Contact Lens Antitrust Litigation, MDL 1030, M.D. Fla. He served as lead investigative and discovery counsel and co-lead trial counsel in Hartford Fire Ins. Co. v. California, 509 U.S. 764 (1993). He served as Senior Advisor to the Chairman, Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine, Kiev, Ukraine.
Note: This is a bit outdated. Seems he settled into Missoula has now retired.
Thomas P. Dove
Born in Washington, D.C.; University of Maryland, (B.A., Political Science, cum laude); Boalt Hall School of Law, University of California (J.D., 1971); recipient, Traynor Cup, Outstanding Individual Advocate, California State Moot Court Championship. Contributing author, Practicing Law Institute: Rule 23 Class Actions. Former associate, Paul, Weiss, Rifkind & Garrison, New York.
Tom Dove has practiced law for over thirty-six years, twenty-eight of which were in the California Attorney General's Office, including fifteen years in the Antitrust Section, Public Rights Division, and ten years as Supervising Deputy Attorney General, Antitrust, San Francisco.
Tom has served as co-lead counsel in numerous antitrust class actions, including In re Petroleum Products Antitrust Litigation (9th Cir. 1990) 906 F.2d 432, and In re Disposable Contact Lens Antitrust Litigation, MDL 1030, M.D. Fla. He served as lead investigative and discovery counsel and co-lead trial counsel in Hartford Fire Ins. Co. v. California, 509 U.S. 764 (1993). He served as Senior Advisor to the Chairman, Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine, Kiev, Ukraine.
Author faces heckler at forum about book on Missoula rapes
32 minutes ago • By MATT VOLZ
MISSOULA, Mont. (AP) — A Missoula audience gave the best-selling author of a book about the city's mishandling of rape cases a standing ovation Wednesday and then booed a heckler who had elbowed his way to the stage and called Jon Krakauer a liar.
Krakauer is the author of the new book "Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town," which is No. 4 on the New York Times' hardcover nonfiction best-seller list. The book uses the stories of several women from the University of Montana to illustrate the problems faced by rape victims nationwide in persuading police and prosecutors to pursue their cases.
Krakauer previously said he wasn't planning a tour or any other public appearances to promote the book, but he wanted to give critics in Missoula the chance to confront him. Instead, he received an enthusiastic welcome and applause throughout his interview with University of Montana Journalism School Dean Larry Abramson before a standing-room only crowd of more than 550 people.
That warmth was shattered when a man who identified himself as Missoula attorney Thomas Dove made his way to the front of the room just as the interview ended, called Krakauer a liar, accused him of bias and of breaking the law by citing confidential documents in his book.
The crowd tried to shout down Dove, while a few others disappointed that Krakauer did not take questions from the audience demanded that Dove have his say. Krakauer started to answer Dove's questions, but eventually became exasperated and walked out of the room as the crowd became more hostile toward Dove.
Dove and another man continued shouting after Krakauer as the crowd dispersed.
Earlier, the best-selling author of "Into the Wild" and "Into Thin Air" said rape is a serious crime that is not taken seriously, and he called on universities to step up their pursuit of rapists on campus.
The criminal justice system has a high legal burden to convict a rapist, and as a result, many offenders end up walking away, he said. Universities have a lower legal threshold to discipline sexual offenders, but they don't do enough to hold rapists accountable, he said.
"I think the university system across the nation is terrible," he said.
"Missoula" focuses on several University of Montana women who were assaulted between 2010 and 2012, the same period covered in a U.S. Department of Justice investigation into whether Missoula and university officials mishandled rape reports. The federal inquiry led to reforms in how the university and city respond to sexual assaults.
Critics have denounced Krakauer, the author of the best-selling books "Into Thin Air" and "Into the Wild," for turning the spotlight on Missoula and accuse him of reopening wounds inflicted by the Justice Department investigation. Others criticize the book as a one-sided account that doesn't include the voices of the prosecutors he depicts as failing the rape victims.
Krakauer previously told The Associated Press that he did not know what kind of reception to expect in Missoula but that he hoped the forum would "clear the air."
His focus on the town came after he started following rape cases across the nation, the author said. He decided that the subject could be turned into a book after traveling to Montana to hear the impressive testimony of one of the victims he profiles, he said.
He said he did not expect that the title of the book would create a backlash in Missoula.
"It didn't seem like this town would be so defensive," he said. "I don't regret it. I'm sorry it caused so much turmoil."
32 minutes ago • By MATT VOLZ
MISSOULA, Mont. (AP) — A Missoula audience gave the best-selling author of a book about the city's mishandling of rape cases a standing ovation Wednesday and then booed a heckler who had elbowed his way to the stage and called Jon Krakauer a liar.
Krakauer is the author of the new book "Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town," which is No. 4 on the New York Times' hardcover nonfiction best-seller list. The book uses the stories of several women from the University of Montana to illustrate the problems faced by rape victims nationwide in persuading police and prosecutors to pursue their cases.
Krakauer previously said he wasn't planning a tour or any other public appearances to promote the book, but he wanted to give critics in Missoula the chance to confront him. Instead, he received an enthusiastic welcome and applause throughout his interview with University of Montana Journalism School Dean Larry Abramson before a standing-room only crowd of more than 550 people.
That warmth was shattered when a man who identified himself as Missoula attorney Thomas Dove made his way to the front of the room just as the interview ended, called Krakauer a liar, accused him of bias and of breaking the law by citing confidential documents in his book.
The crowd tried to shout down Dove, while a few others disappointed that Krakauer did not take questions from the audience demanded that Dove have his say. Krakauer started to answer Dove's questions, but eventually became exasperated and walked out of the room as the crowd became more hostile toward Dove.
Dove and another man continued shouting after Krakauer as the crowd dispersed.
Earlier, the best-selling author of "Into the Wild" and "Into Thin Air" said rape is a serious crime that is not taken seriously, and he called on universities to step up their pursuit of rapists on campus.
The criminal justice system has a high legal burden to convict a rapist, and as a result, many offenders end up walking away, he said. Universities have a lower legal threshold to discipline sexual offenders, but they don't do enough to hold rapists accountable, he said.
"I think the university system across the nation is terrible," he said.
"Missoula" focuses on several University of Montana women who were assaulted between 2010 and 2012, the same period covered in a U.S. Department of Justice investigation into whether Missoula and university officials mishandled rape reports. The federal inquiry led to reforms in how the university and city respond to sexual assaults.
Critics have denounced Krakauer, the author of the best-selling books "Into Thin Air" and "Into the Wild," for turning the spotlight on Missoula and accuse him of reopening wounds inflicted by the Justice Department investigation. Others criticize the book as a one-sided account that doesn't include the voices of the prosecutors he depicts as failing the rape victims.
Krakauer previously told The Associated Press that he did not know what kind of reception to expect in Missoula but that he hoped the forum would "clear the air."
His focus on the town came after he started following rape cases across the nation, the author said. He decided that the subject could be turned into a book after traveling to Montana to hear the impressive testimony of one of the victims he profiles, he said.
He said he did not expect that the title of the book would create a backlash in Missoula.
"It didn't seem like this town would be so defensive," he said. "I don't regret it. I'm sorry it caused so much turmoil."
statler & waldorf
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We have witnessed, over the last few years, the very slanted coverage the Missoulian provided this whole affair. I ran across this little piece in the latest Limbaugh Letter:
"The left corrupts everything it touches, and it has thoroughly corrupted journalism. Here's the modern journalistic process in a nutshell: a relentless denial of reality in order to advance the Democrat agenda and destroy anyone who gets in the way. Evidence is immaterial; it's the seriousness of the charge that matters. Never examine the substance but instead judge intentions, which excuse every failure.
So what we have, in other words, is unmitigated, unalloyed propoganda. It's all garbage."
Sound like the Missoulian and Krakauer?
"The left corrupts everything it touches, and it has thoroughly corrupted journalism. Here's the modern journalistic process in a nutshell: a relentless denial of reality in order to advance the Democrat agenda and destroy anyone who gets in the way. Evidence is immaterial; it's the seriousness of the charge that matters. Never examine the substance but instead judge intentions, which excuse every failure.
So what we have, in other words, is unmitigated, unalloyed propoganda. It's all garbage."
Sound like the Missoulian and Krakauer?
super_eagle13
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