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Krakauer getting defensive?

Why do people like Erdely, Florio or Krakauer focus on a white college quarterback who was found not guilty, because there was no case, and not on legitimate travesties of justice, Brian Banks, the wealthy Muslim, or, the opposite injustice, the Duke LaCrosse case?

College football is a big part of the "narrative." Rape is a political weapon against a perceived culture, and Krakauer admits a need to be a part of that war, because Rolling Stone so badly botched it.

In discussing this experience with friends, we coined the term “raped by rape culture” to describe what it was like to say yes, coerced by the culture that had raised us and the systems of power that worked on us, and to still want ‘no.’ Sometimes, for me, there was obligation from already having gone back to someone’s room, not wanting to ruin a good friendship, loneliness, worry that no one else would ever be interested, a fear that if I did say no, they might not stop, the influence of alcohol, and an understanding that hookups are “supposed” to be fun.

For me, and many others like me, consent isn’t easy. Yes doesn’t always mean yes, and we misplaced ‘no’ several years ago. This experience isn’t random, but disproportionately affects oppressed communities. Consent is a privilege, and it was built for wealthy, heterosexual, cis, white, western, able-bodied masculinity. When society has taught some of us to take up as little space as possible, to take all attention as flattery, and to be truly grateful that anyone at all could want our bodies or love, it isn’t always our choice to say yes.
http://cmcforum.com/opinion/04302015-why-yes-can-mean-no" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
argh! said:
UMGriz75 said:
Oddly, the wealthy Muslim student, after a series of violent sexual assaults, on campus, that were immediately reported, was permitted to lounge about on the UM campus for over a week?

did i just read "lounge about on campus"?
Just out of curiosity, what was the U's " story" in regards to this rapist?

I keep hearing about this story, but have never heard the U official stance on what happened.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Why do people like Erdely, Florio or Krakauer focus on a white college quarterback who was found not guilty, because there was no case, and not on legitimate travesties of justice, Brian Banks, the wealthy Muslim, or, the opposite injustice, the Duke LaCrosse case?

College football is a big part of the "narrative." Rape is a political weapon against a perceived culture, and Krakauer admits a need to be a part of that war, because Rolling Stone so badly botched it.

In discussing this experience with friends, we coined the term “raped by rape culture” to describe what it was like to say yes, coerced by the culture that had raised us and the systems of power that worked on us, and to still want ‘no.’ Sometimes, for me, there was obligation from already having gone back to someone’s room, not wanting to ruin a good friendship, loneliness, worry that no one else would ever be interested, a fear that if I did say no, they might not stop, the influence of alcohol, and an understanding that hookups are “supposed” to be fun.

For me, and many others like me, consent isn’t easy. Yes doesn’t always mean yes, and we misplaced ‘no’ several years ago. This experience isn’t random, but disproportionately affects oppressed communities. Consent is a privilege, and it was built for wealthy, heterosexual, cis, white, western, able-bodied masculinity. When society has taught some of us to take up as little space as possible, to take all attention as flattery, and to be truly grateful that anyone at all could want our bodies or love, it isn’t always our choice to say yes.
http://cmcforum.com/opinion/04302015-why-yes-can-mean-no" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You already answered your question, because he is white. It is socially acceptable to trash white people including libel and slander. All the laws pretty much protect the mudslingers and all you have left to combat it is ghetto justice.

Crazy twist huh?
 
UMGriz75 said:
Why do people like Erdely, Florio or Krakauer focus on a white college quarterback who was found not guilty, because there was no case, and not on legitimate travesties of justice, Brian Banks, the wealthy Muslim, or, the opposite injustice, the Duke LaCrosse case?

College football is a big part of the "narrative." Rape is a political weapon against a perceived culture, and Krakauer admits a need to be a part of that war, because Rolling Stone so badly botched it.


You pretty much nailed it. But it isn't just College Football at the college level there is the Greek System. In the real world there are the powerful/successful, the politicians and then there is the military. There is a certain of a portion of those groups (certainly not all) who believe in a different standard and always have. The backlash becomes "victim" oriented to excess. Of course its concentrated on "white upper social echelon" Its just like high school. There's the cool kids and everybody else. Problem is when "everybody else grows up" roles shift a bunch. When that group tries to play with the "cool Kids" they find out it comes at a higher price than they may be willing to pay. They eventually extract their revenge.

This whole thing has nothing to do with drunk horny college kids, Just as the drunk girl can't give consent, the drunk guy can't be expected to understand "no" either. You put yourself in a bad situation, bad things are going to happen. Whether a 20 year old JJ should have heeded to the advice I would think he had been given is one thing. Hopefully every other football player will have learned just how bad things can get.
 
Early in Jon Krakauer's new book, Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town, he describes how an attempt by the University of Montana in 2012 to help two campus sexual assault victims may have allowed the suspect to flee the country before he could be caught by police.

The university did many things right in complying with federal antidiscrimination and campus safety laws: it kept the victims' identities confidential, it moved swiftly to begin holding the student accused of assault accountable and it sent a campus safety alert, warning students that the assaults had occurred. It did not, however, contact local police, who would have had the power to confiscate the suspect's passport before he boarded a plane back to Saudi Arabia.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/04/24/new-book-details-u-montanas-citys-mishandling-sexual-assault
University of Montana President Royce Engstrom has insisted repeatedly that UM did nothing wrong when a dean informed a Saudi exchange student that another student had accused him of rape.

The university didn’t notify police. The man fled the country.


Painful though that scenario is, UM administrators say the confidentiality required by federal law and the university’s Student Code of Conduct, under which the woman made her report to then-Dean of Students Charles Couture, left them no other choice.

“The communication by the university was done when it should have been done and in the right sequence of events,” Engstrom said at a public forum after the incident.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/emails-show-um-city-accounts-differ-on-saudi-rape-suspect/article_38924a82-a16b-11e1-8311-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Apparently, if someone is murdered on the UM campus, policy is (or was) to wait until the victim filed a "report" and then Dean Couture would leap into action and then, a week after that, issue a "campus safety alert" because, for these giant brains, it is all about "student safety." They said so.
University of Montana Dean of Students Charles Couture did the right thing when he notified a Saudi exchange student – who then left the country – that he’d been accused of rape, UM President Royce Engstrom said Tuesday.

“The communication by the university was done when it should have been done and in the right sequence of events,” Engstrom said at a hastily planned forum for students about two Feb. 10 assaults on campus, allegedly by the same foreign student.

Engstrom reiterated, as he did last week, that the university did not know until Feb. 17 – until she reported it to Couture – that one of the women had been raped. Couture, who had already contacted the Saudi student about the other alleged assault, notified the man that same day about the new accusation, Engstrom said.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/engstrom-um-right-to-alert-saudi-of-rape-accusation/article_cb1735d6-626c-11e1-8073-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UM policy, if Engstrom was to be believed, was that no campus safety alert would issue until Couture had investigated, and the police would not be notified, but that the accused would be notified immediately that he had been accused of rape. You know, just a timely "heads up" in case there were any questions about witnesses, evidence, alibi's, etc.
The university then sent a late-afternoon campus-wide email titled “Sexual Assault … Possible Threat to Community.”

“That same evening, communication with the Missoula Police Department occurred,” Engstrom said Tuesday.

In fact, he admitted last week, police contacted the university after seeing the email.

Missoula police then monitored the Saudi student, Engstrom said Tuesday, but legally they could not detain him until an official police report was filed. That was done on Feb. 21 – by which time, the student had fled the country.

“People are understandably angry that a perpetrator escaped,” Engstrom said, adding that he’s angry, too.

But, he said, “he didn’t escape because the university sat on information for a week. … He didn’t escape because the university mishandled the case.”
http://missoulian.com/news/local/engstrom-um-right-to-alert-saudi-of-rape-accusation/article_cb1735d6-626c-11e1-8073-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The University of Montana knew the name of the male student accused of sexually assaulting two female students on campus earlier this month, but waited a week before passing it along to Missoula police.

Police have not been able to find or interview the man, said Missoula Police Detective Sgt. Travis Welsh.

And a fellow student at the UM international students’ residence – where the man, who is Saudi, lived and where at least one of the alleged assaults occurred – said Thursday that the man has not been seen for a few days.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/um-waited-week-to-give-missoula-police-name-of-rape/article_a32d4dbc-5e98-11e1-995a-001871e3ce6c.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A man accused of raping one University of Montana student and assaulting another earlier this month was contacted repeatedly by UM Dean of Students Charles Couture before fleeing the country.

After Couture informed the man – who was accompanied by his lawyer – that he was being accused of sexual assault under the university’s Student Code of Conduct, the man left the area, UM President Royce Engstrom said Friday.

In fact, the man – a Saudi national studying at UM – has left the country, Missoula Mayor John Engen said police told him earlier Friday.

The campus is safer because of the man’s departure, Engstrom said at a news conference that he called to clarify the sequence of events involved in the incidents. He called the university’s actions “timely” and “appropriate.”
http://missoulian.com/news/local/saudi-student-accused-of-um-rape-has-fled-the-u/article_431ba1f8-5f47-11e1-b802-001871e3ce6c.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That was the first Missoula police heard of the incidents, Engstrom confirmed Friday. Missoula police quickly contacted university administrators, he said. However, a week had passed since the alleged attacks.

“Police learned about it at the time we sent out the email,” Engstrom said. “I believe they contacted us.”

Deputy Chief Mike Brady spoke with university administrators that same evening to request that they meet with Chief Mark Muir and Mayor John Engen, he said. That meeting – which Engstrom called “a very healthy discussion” – took place another week later, on Friday morning, Feb. 24.

“One of the things I think we could do better and will do better is be in contact with Missoula police” after allegations of sexual assault and other serious incidents, Engstrom said.
Friday's email said that Dean of Students Charles Couture is investigating the most recent cases.

The Feb. 10 campus police report lists an incident in which "a female was forced into a vehicle in the Lommasson Center parking lot this morning around 2:30 a.m." That report was categorized as an alcohol offense.

Hannah Lumpry, 23, a senior exercise science major, criticized the timing of the university's email.

Noting that the alleged assaults happened a week before the email went out, "they were a little late getting the notice out. I think it should've been brought to our attention sooner," she said.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/man-suspected-of-sexually-assaulting-um-students-known-but-police/article_83c7352a-5c43-11e1-acee-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That was February 21. Four weeks later, Engstrom fired Coach Pflugrad and AD O'Day.
 
UMGriz75 said:
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That was February 21. Four weeks later, Engstrom fired Coach Pflugrad and AD O'Day.

And on Mar 12 Engstrom announced Coutures "retirement"

And don't forget Jim Lemcke - Campus security chief, Jim Foley VP of communications, or David Aronofsky - legal counsel all of whom had a major role that also "retired" There were others, I can't remember all of them. A faculty member who took one of the "victims" home another faculty advisor, Counseling center etc etc. Somehow the house cleaning of was pretty well overlooked by everyone
 
So as a witness we take an is to "tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Everyone else involved in law doesn't take this oath or abide by it. Defense attorneys prevent by all lawful means the truth from coming out. Makes me physically ill.
 
Bobcatmaniac said:
So as a witness we take an is to "tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Everyone else involved in law doesn't take this oath or abide by it. Defense attorneys prevent by all lawful means the truth from coming out. Makes me physically ill.


Makes you ill?? That's the way the system was designed. Purposely. And for great reason. If you don't like it, I can recommend a few countries to consider for your new residency.

And I don't care who JJ's defense attorney was. He was not going to be convicted. And JK knows it. And even almost admits it in the book.
 
Bobcatmaniac said:
So as a witness we take an is to "tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Everyone else involved in law doesn't take this oath or abide by it. Defense attorneys prevent by all lawful means the truth from coming out. Makes me physically ill.

Looks like you don't have a clue how the legal and court system are set up and designed to work, including the role and obligation of defense attorneys. Makes me sick that you are so uneducated and ignorant.
 
EverettGriz said:
Bobcatmaniac said:
So as a witness we take an is to "tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Everyone else involved in law doesn't take this oath or abide by it. Defense attorneys prevent by all lawful means the truth from coming out. Makes me physically ill.


Makes you ill?? That's the way the system was designed. Purposely. And for great reason. If you don't like it, I can recommend a few countries to consider for your new residency.

And I don't care who JJ's defense attorney was. He was not going to be convicted. And JK knows it. And even almost admits it in the book.
Ok so educate me. Why wouldn't you want to have all your cards on the table. First vote when JJs jury voted was 3 for him. And you my friend can go to China for all I care
 
Bobcatmaniac said:
EverettGriz said:
Bobcatmaniac said:
So as a witness we take an is to "tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Everyone else involved in law doesn't take this oath or abide by it. Defense attorneys prevent by all lawful means the truth from coming out. Makes me physically ill.


Makes you ill?? That's the way the system was designed. Purposely. And for great reason. If you don't like it, I can recommend a few countries to consider for your new residency.

And I don't care who JJ's defense attorney was. He was not going to be convicted. And JK knows it. And even almost admits it in the book.
Ok so educate me. Why wouldn't you want to have all your cards on the table. First vote when JJs jury voted was 3 for him. And you my friend can go to China for all I care

Uhhh, you need to read better:

“There wasn’t unanimous agreement about the verdict, initially. “When the first paper vote was taken” in the jury room, Fargo told me, “there were only three or four people who voted ‘guilty.’ ”

Excerpt From: Krakauer, Jon. “Missoula.” DDay Gen Adult, 2015-04-21. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

Check out this book on the iBookstore: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewBook?id=966707233" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

See you in Beijing!!
 
Bobcatmaniac said:
So as a witness we take an is to "tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Everyone else involved in law doesn't take this oath or abide by it. Defense attorneys prevent by all lawful means the truth from coming out. Makes me physically ill.

Good GOD the butthurt is strong with this one.

The only reason a defense attorney would attempt (by all lawful means) to prevent the truth from coming out would be if their client was guilty. Johnson wasn't guilty, and his attorney made no such attempt. Read the transcript. Read the tweets of those following the trial and actually IN the courtroom. Its plainly obvious and your Griz hatred is showing through loud and clear.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Bobcatmaniac said:
So as a witness we take an is to "tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Everyone else involved in law doesn't take this oath or abide by it. Defense attorneys prevent by all lawful means the truth from coming out. Makes me physically ill.

Good GOD the butthurt is strong with this one.

The only reason a defense attorney would attempt (by all lawful means) to prevent the truth from coming out would be if their client was guilty. Johnson wasn't guilty, and his attorney made no such attempt. Read the transcript. Read the tweets of those following the trial and actually IN the courtroom. Its plainly obvious and your Griz hatred is showing through loud and clear.


My guess is this ass clown is "bracket" on bcn. That'd tell you all you'd need to know.
 
I’ll take a talented journalist who has survived horrible conditions on Mt. Everest and soloed some incredible climbs in some of the wildest places on the planet over bloated football fans and pompous lawyers. If I were an egriz poster debating about whether to attend the signing, I would just stay away (to save embarrassment).
 
GoldenEagle said:
I’ll take a talented journalist who has survived horrible conditions on Mt. Everest and soloed some incredible climbs in some of the wildest places on the planet over bloated football fans and pompous lawyers. If I were an egriz poster debating about whether to attend the signing, I would just stay away (to save embarrassment).


Nice post. :roll:

Tired of the 7 posters on your board?

BTW. Care to compare the per capita sexual assault ratios between Cheney and Missoula?






Yeah, didn't think so.
 
EverettGriz said:
GoldenEagle said:
I’ll take a talented journalist who has survived horrible conditions on Mt. Everest and soloed some incredible climbs in some of the wildest places on the planet over bloated football fans and pompous lawyers. If I were an egriz poster debating about whether to attend the signing, I would just stay away (to save embarrassment).


Nice post. :roll:

Tired of the 7 posters on your board?

BTW. Care to compare the per capita sexual assault ratios between Cheney and Missoula?






Yeah, didn't think so.

You seem a little sensitive. Maybe I hit both nerves, bloated football fan and pompous lawyer?
 
EverettGriz said:
GoldenEagle said:
I’ll take a talented journalist who has survived horrible conditions on Mt. Everest and soloed some incredible climbs in some of the wildest places on the planet over bloated football fans and pompous lawyers. If I were an egriz poster debating about whether to attend the signing, I would just stay away (to save embarrassment).


Nice post. :roll:

Tired of the 7 posters on your board?

BTW. Care to compare the per capita sexual assault ratios between Cheney and Missoula?

Yeah, didn't think so.

One of the 7 posters on his board is his mom. And she has the nerve to keep posting comments that its time he moved out of her basement! :o
 
GoldenEagle said:
I’ll take a talented journalist who has survived horrible conditions on Mt. Everest and soloed some incredible climbs in some of the wildest places on the planet over bloated football fans and pompous lawyers. If I were an egriz poster debating about whether to attend the signing, I would just stay away (to save embarrassment).

You should read up on your "talented journalist". Every "nonfiction" book he's written is chock full of made up bullshit. And he's constantly having to defend his work because he takes such liberties with the truth so as to make the ACTUAL truth unrecognizeable.

Then again, you're an EWU fan, so it's probably a moot point since you probably can't read anyway. :roll:
 
GoldenEagle said:
I’ll take a talented journalist who has survived horrible conditions on Mt. Everest and soloed some incredible climbs in some of the wildest places on the planet over bloated football fans and pompous lawyers. If I were an egriz poster debating about whether to attend the signing, I would just stay away (to save embarrassment).

Signing? No books will be sold or signed at this "signing". Man, the dummies from other schools are out tonight on egriz.

From Wiki. Note the Krakauer was sleeping in his tent while Boukreev was rescuing other climbers. Krakauer was also asleep, off base and out to lunch when he started unfairly criticizing Pabst.

"Galen Rowell criticized Krakauer's account, citing numerous inconsistencies in his narrative while observing that Krakauer was sleeping in his tent while Boukreev was rescuing other climbers. Rowell argued that Boukreev's actions were nothing short of heroic, and his judgment prescient. “...[Boukreev] foresaw problems with clients nearing camp, noted five other guides on the peak Everest, and positioned himself to be rested and hydrated enough to respond to an emergency. His heroism was not a fluke."[citation needed]

The account has also been criticized for not informing the reader that the team members were receiving accurate daily weather forecasts and knew about the storm in advance."
 

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