Krakaeur's book "Missoula" to be released April 21

[statler & waldorf]

Based on what he didn't do, perhaps the title left off, unintentionally of course, "...a novel by Jon Krakauer."

 

[PlayerRep]

Based on what he didn't do, perhaps the title left off, unintentionally of course, "...a novel by Jon Krakauer."

What about my suggestion of "Out of Thin Air"?

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm very curious how one even begin to write this book without speaking to the prosecutor, the police chief or the university president . I get that for most issues, he simply used the public record. But wouldn't he eventually have a follow up question or two?

I guess if there's any good news it's that he also didn't speak with Florio.

I would be willing to bet she had a very significant role in getting this book to print. If that is the case, I highly doubt that it will ever be made public. :twocents:

I doubt she'd lie to her former employer (the Missoulian) about whether or not she was interviewed. Missoula's still a pretty small place, and a lie like that could severely damage your career as a reporter/professor.

Frankly, I think Krakauer is a huuuuuuge ego-maniac, and he simply doesn't believe he needs input from others to write a book.

I'll admit I only glossed over this morning's Missoulian article and must have missed this snippet provided by PR: "Former reporter Gwen Florio, now a published author who teaches reporting at the UM School of Journalism, said she also was not contacted. No one else from the newspaper has been contacted either."

It would make for a better story if she was involved though... :ugeek:

It surprised me that Florio was not contacted. There must have been some strategy behind that. I can't think of what it may have been.

 

[poorgriz]

I'm very curious how one even begin to write this book without speaking to the prosecutor, the police chief or the university president . I get that for most issues, he simply used the public record. But wouldn't he eventually have a follow up question or two?

I guess if there's any good news it's that he also didn't speak with Florio.

I would be willing to bet she had a very significant role in getting this book to print. If that is the case, I highly doubt that it will ever be made public. :twocents:

I doubt she'd lie to her former employer (the Missoulian) about whether or not she was interviewed. Missoula's still a pretty small place, and a lie like that could severely damage your career as a reporter/professor.

Frankly, I think Krakauer is a huuuuuuge ego-maniac, and he simply doesn't believe he needs input from others to write a book.

Correct, and he's right. He can write whatever the F he wants.

 

[EverettGriz]

Well of course he can, poor. But much like you, he then is not writing fact, but fiction.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Another article this morning... it does not appear anyone was interviewed for this book. Not sure where Krakauer is getting his "sources with direct information" as none of the main players involved in JJs case have been contacted.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/missoula-hyperventilating-about-krakauer-book-on-rapes/article_363ca6a1-6a04-5094-ae7e-4589a13eab83.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seems to me like JJ might have a great case for libel/slander/character assassination.

Lawyers? What say ye...

It would depend on exactly what is said and whether what is said is not true. I don't think cherry-picking equals defamation, but don't know defamation law well enough to know for sure. While I can't imagine that Krakauer and the publisher would be so stupid and careless as to defame someone in a book like, I also doubt that they understand how bad Kraukauer could get clobbered (i.e. big damages) in a lawsuit in Montana.

Well, he characterizes JJ's acquital as proof that the "justice system is broken"....implying certainly that JJ was guilty and should never have gotten off.

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm very curious how one even begin to write this book without speaking to the prosecutor, the police chief or the university president . I get that for most issues, he simply used the public record. But wouldn't he eventually have a follow up question or two?

I guess if there's any good news it's that he also didn't speak with Florio.

I would be willing to bet she had a very significant role in getting this book to print. If that is the case, I highly doubt that it will ever be made public. :twocents:

I doubt she'd lie to her former employer (the Missoulian) about whether or not she was interviewed. Missoula's still a pretty small place, and a lie like that could severely damage your career as a reporter/professor.

Frankly, I think Krakauer is a huuuuuuge ego-maniac, and he simply doesn't believe he needs input from others to write a book.

Correct, and he's right. He can write whatever the F he wants.

But it is dishonest to say that it is well-researched. Maybe we'll get some Brian Williams pieces, like what he saw or heard in the courtroom.

 

[Umista]

Headlines on the front page of tomorrow's Missoulian (nude paper)

KRAKAUER FRONTS FLORIO IN "HE SAID SHE SAID"
A scratching hair pulling event with screams of credit bashing was eventually broken up by Pat Williams. The new book signing event was attended by a few and only lasted a few minutes before the "event" broke out. The undisclosed location was.....

 

[statler & waldorf]

But it is dishonest to say that it is well-researched. Maybe we'll get some Brian Williams pieces, like what he saw or heard in the courtroom.

The he'd have to explain the RPG fired at the courtroom. One more piece of the coverup which will remain sealed for 75 years. This is sounding more and more like Missoulian 'reporting.' Maybe he's just adding to his port-Florio to get a job there.

 

[signedbewildered]

I would be willing to bet she had a very significant role in getting this book to print. If that is the case, I highly doubt that it will ever be made public. :twocents:

I doubt she'd lie to her former employer (the Missoulian) about whether or not she was interviewed. Missoula's still a pretty small place, and a lie like that could severely damage your career as a reporter/professor.

Frankly, I think Krakauer is a huuuuuuge ego-maniac, and he simply doesn't believe he needs input from others to write a book.

I'll admit I only glossed over this morning's Missoulian article and must have missed this snippet provided by PR: "Former reporter Gwen Florio, now a published author who teaches reporting at the UM School of Journalism, said she also was not contacted. No one else from the newspaper has been contacted either."

It would make for a better story if she was involved though... :ugeek:

It surprised me that Florio was not contacted. There must have been some strategy behind that. I can't think of what it may have been.

Maybe she wasn't contacted. Maybe she contacted him. She does have a way with wording things in an attempt to misconstrue the truth.

I know, I know. Conspiracy theory. I just don't trust either of them. To not interview the majority of the parties involved and then name his book "MISSOULA" was a low blow.

After all her novel is named "MONTANA." Next one they will share the credit and title it "GRIZZLIES."

 

[AllWeatherFan]

if this thread reaches 17 pages, will that officially constitute a "tizzy?" Anybody know?

 

[griz4life]

I'm surprised the missoulian didn't call Pat and Carol Williams to see if they were contacted, or anyone who testified for the prosecution in the Johnson trial.

It's one thing to inquire about whether the city, UM and others being skewered were contacted, but quite another to ask who helped craft this permanent tome on "Missoula."

If it were my town, I'd see if I couldn't get Pat, Carol, the crew of the YWCA, and that little attorney who volunteered his services to help with the Johnson prosecution to discuss the book's merits in a public forum. Maybe even sign a few copies.

Some of these folks have been crying for attention for years. Now that they've brought the spotlight to Missoula, they should stand up and take a bow. They've really outdone themselves.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

This same narrative, proved false in several instances lately nationally, has lost any public interest. While Missoula is in a sky fall over this impending book release it is really not news anywhere else. Get over yourselves, quit gnashing and wailing, and wait for the thud of book sales hitting the bottom of the outhouse come April. The only people who will buy this book already believe this happens at every college. Half of those people won't buy it because they don't know how to pronounce the town, or think Western Montana still doesn't have electricity or running water.....

 

[Htowngriz]

This same narrative, proved false in several instances lately nationally, has lost any public interest. While Missoula is in a sky fall over this impending book release it is really not news anywhere else. Get over yourselves, quit gnashing and wailing, and wait for the thud of book sales hitting the bottom of the outhouse come April. The only people who will buy this book already believe this happens at every college. Half of those people won't buy it because they don't know how to pronounce the town, or think Western Montana still doesn't have electricity or running water.....

I certainly hope you're right...

 

[Grizzlies1982]

if this thread reaches 17 pages, will that officially constitute a "tizzy?" Anybody know?

Have "pitchforks" been mentioned yet?
:ugeek:

 

[getgrizzy]

this response was in the missoulian...


Reed - February 23, 2015 11:15 pm
The University of Montana has been in steady decline for over a decade. It has been rotting from the inside. A college should not exist for a team. If teams are to exist at all, their members should be held to a higher standard than the average student. If winning a ball game is more important than educating the next generation then your society is doomed.

The "team" is a liability and always has been. Its a money-making scheme for good-ol-boys paid for by indebted students who are receiving a worthless education. The dropout rate and joblessness rate of actual graduates is abysmal.

On top of all the systemic problems at the U, there was always the notoriously sketchy Missoula PD. The police in Missoula are known nationwide for their misconduct. This is not just an issue relating to this rape accusation. The U has never had a "rape culture" and everyone knows it. The U has a Griz problem and a local-police problem. The Missoula PD just thought they could do what they always have done, which is cover-up for their buddies awhile generating revenue off the student population, which offers an endless stream of minor offenses to profit and expand upon. In this case, they got caught and people noticed. Hilariously few Missoulians "get it" but luckily Krakauer did.

The Missoulian is frequently complicit in this social rot with their inability to deliver hard-hitting reporting that improves the town. They are all-too afraid of Missoula's precious "reputation." Well it looks like Krakauer just flushed that reputation, so you may as well start realtalking before these issues get even worse. New (female) prosecutor won't change much. The problem is in the police and the U. Hopefully, that is exactly what the book is about.

 

[PlayerRep]

this response was in the missoulian...


Reed - February 23, 2015 11:15 pm
The University of Montana has been in steady decline for over a decade. It has been rotting from the inside. A college should not exist for a team. If teams are to exist at all, their members should be held to a higher standard than the average student. If winning a ball game is more important than educating the next generation then your society is doomed.

The "team" is a liability and always has been. Its a money-making scheme for good-ol-boys paid for by indebted students who are receiving a worthless education. The dropout rate and joblessness rate of actual graduates is abysmal.

On top of all the systemic problems at the U, there was always the notoriously sketchy Missoula PD. The police in Missoula are known nationwide for their misconduct. This is not just an issue relating to this rape accusation. The U has never had a "rape culture" and everyone knows it. The U has a Griz problem and a local-police problem. The Missoula PD just thought they could do what they always have done, which is cover-up for their buddies awhile generating revenue off the student population, which offers an endless stream of minor offenses to profit and expand upon. In this case, they got caught and people noticed. Hilariously few Missoulians "get it" but luckily Krakauer did.

The Missoulian is frequently complicit in this social rot with their inability to deliver hard-hitting reporting that improves the town. They are all-too afraid of Missoula's precious "reputation." Well it looks like Krakauer just flushed that reputation, so you may as well start realtalking before these issues get even worse. New (female) prosecutor won't change much. The problem is in the police and the U. Hopefully, that is exactly what the book is about.

What an idiot. Virtually everything in the letter is incorrect and not supported by fact or anything. That person is a total loser, in my view.

 

[ranco]

this response was in the missoulian...


Reed - February 23, 2015 11:15 pm
The University of Montana has been in steady decline for over a decade. It has been rotting from the inside. A college should not exist for a team. If teams are to exist at all, their members should be held to a higher standard than the average student. If winning a ball game is more important than educating the next generation then your society is doomed.

The "team" is a liability and always has been. Its a money-making scheme for good-ol-boys paid for by indebted students who are receiving a worthless education. The dropout rate and joblessness rate of actual graduates is abysmal.

On top of all the systemic problems at the U, there was always the notoriously sketchy Missoula PD. The police in Missoula are known nationwide for their misconduct. This is not just an issue relating to this rape accusation. The U has never had a "rape culture" and everyone knows it. The U has a Griz problem and a local-police problem. The Missoula PD just thought they could do what they always have done, which is cover-up for their buddies awhile generating revenue off the student population, which offers an endless stream of minor offenses to profit and expand upon. In this case, they got caught and people noticed. Hilariously few Missoulians "get it" but luckily Krakauer did.

The Missoulian is frequently complicit in this social rot with their inability to deliver hard-hitting reporting that improves the town. They are all-too afraid of Missoula's precious "reputation." Well it looks like Krakauer just flushed that reputation, so you may as well start realtalking before these issues get even worse. New (female) prosecutor won't change much. The problem is in the police and the U. Hopefully, that is exactly what the book is about.

What an idiot. Virtually everything in the letter is incorrect and not supported by fact or anything. That person is a total loser, in my view.

Looks like Gwen is writing in the Missoulian again....

 

[MrTitleist]

this response was in the missoulian...


Reed - February 23, 2015 11:15 pm
The University of Montana has been in steady decline for over a decade. It has been rotting from the inside. A college should not exist for a team. If teams are to exist at all, their members should be held to a higher standard than the average student. If winning a ball game is more important than educating the next generation then your society is doomed.

The "team" is a liability and always has been. Its a money-making scheme for good-ol-boys paid for by indebted students who are receiving a worthless education. The dropout rate and joblessness rate of actual graduates is abysmal.

On top of all the systemic problems at the U, there was always the notoriously sketchy Missoula PD. The police in Missoula are known nationwide for their misconduct. This is not just an issue relating to this rape accusation. The U has never had a "rape culture" and everyone knows it. The U has a Griz problem and a local-police problem. The Missoula PD just thought they could do what they always have done, which is cover-up for their buddies awhile generating revenue off the student population, which offers an endless stream of minor offenses to profit and expand upon. In this case, they got caught and people noticed. Hilariously few Missoulians "get it" but luckily Krakauer did.

The Missoulian is frequently complicit in this social rot with their inability to deliver hard-hitting reporting that improves the town. They are all-too afraid of Missoula's precious "reputation." Well it looks like Krakauer just flushed that reputation, so you may as well start realtalking before these issues get even worse. New (female) prosecutor won't change much. The problem is in the police and the U. Hopefully, that is exactly what the book is about.

What an idiot. Virtually everything in the letter is incorrect and not supported by fact or anything. That person is a total loser, in my view.

I had basically the same thoughts..

 

[getgrizzy]

this response was in the missoulian...


Reed - February 23, 2015 11:15 pm
The University of Montana has been in steady decline for over a decade. It has been rotting from the inside. A college should not exist for a team. If teams are to exist at all, their members should be held to a higher standard than the average student. If winning a ball game is more important than educating the next generation then your society is doomed.

The "team" is a liability and always has been. Its a money-making scheme for good-ol-boys paid for by indebted students who are receiving a worthless education. The dropout rate and joblessness rate of actual graduates is abysmal.

On top of all the systemic problems at the U, there was always the notoriously sketchy Missoula PD. The police in Missoula are known nationwide for their misconduct. This is not just an issue relating to this rape accusation. The U has never had a "rape culture" and everyone knows it. The U has a Griz problem and a local-police problem. The Missoula PD just thought they could do what they always have done, which is cover-up for their buddies awhile generating revenue off the student population, which offers an endless stream of minor offenses to profit and expand upon. In this case, they got caught and people noticed. Hilariously few Missoulians "get it" but luckily Krakauer did.

The Missoulian is frequently complicit in this social rot with their inability to deliver hard-hitting reporting that improves the town. They are all-too afraid of Missoula's precious "reputation." Well it looks like Krakauer just flushed that reputation, so you may as well start realtalking before these issues get even worse. New (female) prosecutor won't change much. The problem is in the police and the U. Hopefully, that is exactly what the book is about.

What an idiot. Virtually everything in the letter is incorrect and not supported by fact or anything. That person is a total loser, in my view.

you sound like billy madison or some average junior high school kid with that response.