Kick It on 4th Down Crowd Gets Their Wish

[stubbins]

Gotta go for it. If you can score a td and then fail on the two point, you know what you have to get. And...the way they were moving the ball, if you can hold them to a field goal, you still are within one score. Boneheaded call, but then again, I didn't have the inside info that we needed 8 yds.

Just another f*** up in a long line of f*** ups...

Like it was said earlier....no brainer.

Never thought of it that way, hmm. Thanks. Your new egriz name is Yoda


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Excellent...I'll get a shirt made so you'll know who to buy the beer for in Fargo next year.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Awesome


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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I like all the FGs Ewu went for yesterday while winning...................



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[grizcountry420]

I like all the FGs Ewu went for yesterday while winning...................



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That's because they were scoring touchdown when he couldn't tackle...

 

[AZGrizFan]

I like all the FGs Ewu went for yesterday while winning...................



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You don't have to kick FG's when the other team can't tackle.

 

[Copper Griz]

For someone who has played the game - you should know that not going for it on 4th down did not lose the game. Maybe the fumble, mismatched coverages and defensive schemes, inability to run the ball, penalties, o-line struggling, etc. - might have had something to do with the loss. To debate one aspect of this teams performance as if it were the achilles heal of the game - is senseless. You are correct about one thing, the coaching decisions are very poor right now. Regardless if it is deciding to go for it on fourth down or not. If I was going to make an argument about why the Griz failed to win yesterday, it would be the running game and the coaches inability to adapt and make adjustments. Even a novice like me could figure out you need to abandon running up the middle time after time.

Don't know if you are talking to me, but I didn't say that the call had anything to do with the game result. Neither in this thread nor in my other thread that listed important plays.

I was discussing the call only, and pointing out exactly what the thread title said. Maybe you should taking some reading lessons.

You seem a little defensive and maybe a bit sensitive. You started the thread and I think it is safe to infer you are claiming the call had an effect on wether the game was won or lost. Unless you are indicating the call was made in a vaccum and was completely innocuos. You started the thread, not my fault you don't like the answer. Adios

 

[PlayerRep]

For someone who has played the game - you should know that not going for it on 4th down did not lose the game. Maybe the fumble, mismatched coverages and defensive schemes, inability to run the ball, penalties, o-line struggling, etc. - might have had something to do with the loss. To debate one aspect of this teams performance as if it were the achilles heal of the game - is senseless. You are correct about one thing, the coaching decisions are very poor right now. Regardless if it is deciding to go for it on fourth down or not. If I was going to make an argument about why the Griz failed to win yesterday, it would be the running game and the coaches inability to adapt and make adjustments. Even a novice like me could figure out you need to abandon running up the middle time after time.

Don't know if you are talking to me, but I didn't say that the call had anything to do with the game result. Neither in this thread nor in my other thread that listed important plays.

I was discussing the call only, and pointing out exactly what the thread title said. Maybe you should taking some reading lessons.

You seem a little defensive and maybe a bit sensitive. You started the thread and I think it is safe to infer you are claiming the call had an effect on wether the game was won or lost. Unless you are indicating the call was made in a vaccum and was completely innocuos. You started the thread, not my fault you don't like the answer. Adios

I started to the thread to point and out and discuss exactly what I said. Nothing more; nothing less. It was a continuation of similar threads the past 2 weeks. Don't tell us you didn't notice me posting on 4th down calls in the past several weeks. Learn to read. Don't try to put words in other people's mouths.

 

[Potomac Griz]

You guys are idiots. Kicking the ball was the right call. Brings you to 8. With 5+ left it gives your d a few sets to get a t.o or force a 3&out. If we go for it and have to kick a fieldgoal anyway. The you have 8 pts with 3+ mins. If you do score a td that's awesome but our coaches played the clock and made the correct call intact that games was 100% different if he makes that.

Especially since it was 4th and 8.

Were you being sarcastic there? Hard to tell sometimes over the internet

Just in case you weren't and were just going by what Delaney was quoted as saying by the Spokesman review (that it was 4th and 8), it was NOT actually 4th and 8. It was 4th and 1.

On first down we had an incomplete pass. On 2nd down another incomplete pass. On 3rd down we had a 9 yard completion to Henderson making it 4th and 1. Unfortunately, if the spokesman review accurately reported what Delaney said, our coach thought it was 4th and 8 and that's why the FG unit was brought on.

Had he known it was 4th and 1, I'm guessing (hoping) he would have realized the Griz had all the momentum at the time and likely would have picked up the 1 yard...or at least had a better chance at that than a semi-long FG (which has been iffy).

 

[garizzalies]

Gotta go for it. If you can score a td and then fail on the two point, you know what you have to get. And...the way they were moving the ball, if you can hold them to a field goal, you still are within one score.

Agreed. And I don't think it was mentioned in this thread yet but I think you save the FG for last, at least in that situation. We needed a TD+2 no matter what. Get (or at least try to get) the 8 points first, particularly with our momentum and location. Then, if you get the 8 and the ball back, you don't need to travel as far to tie it up and can hopefully do so even with very little time left on the clock. And, if time allows, you could still go for a TD to win.

 

[tnt]

Gotta go for it. If you can score a td and then fail on the two point, you know what you have to get. And...the way they were moving the ball, if you can hold them to a field goal, you still are within one score.

Agreed. And I don't think it was mentioned in this thread yet but I think you save the FG for last, at least in that situation. We needed a TD+2 no matter what. Get (or at least try to get) the 8 points first, particularly with our momentum and location. Then, if you get the 8 and the ball back, you don't need to travel as far to tie it up and can hopefully do so even with very little time left on the clock. And, if time allows, you could still go for a TD to win.

You save the field goal for last when you have a kicker that is LIKLEY to make it. You don't put the whole game on the shoulders of a kicker who has shown himself at best to be a gamble................ Suppose the went for the Ist down got the TD got the conversion and had to to kick the FQ at the end of the game? What would a game losing miss do to the team and the kicker????

The questiuonable call (IMO) if there was one was not going for the 2 when we had the offsides penalty. Arithmetic at that point said we need ed an extra point to win as a opposed to tie.

 

[garizzalies]

It's a pressure-cooker kick no matter what. If the kicker is not LIKELY to make it, than go for the sticks and postpone that risk until absolutely necessary. Who knows, they may have got a break and not needed the kicker but we needed a TD way more than a FG. And because of the time limit, we needed to prioritize!!! I'd rather "put the whole game on the shoulders" of the O instead of the kicker.
You play to win. You don't play to avoid a possible situation where the Kicker gets his feelings hurt. Personally, i think a missed FG at the end would not be as demoralizing as Shoota taking a knee 3 times.
I agree with you on the offsides penalty. That was one of many bone-headed coaching calls.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

I'm pretty sure I seen a few NFL coaches go for it on 4th down several times yesterday. So much for your the NFL is to conservative theory. And I bet NONE of them thought it was 4th and 8 instead of 4th and 1 or 2. :shock:

 

[Mousegriz]

Down 11 pts

.....kick it on 4th and 2 or 3 at the goal line at end of a horrible half vs. NAU, easy kick, steal a little momentum and get within 8 points? Yes!!

.....kick it on 4th and 1 with 5 minutes left in the game, lots of momentum, tougher kick for kicker with limited confidence (and attempts over the past 3 weeks). No!!

Need at least 1 TD in the final 5 minutes.......go get the TD first and don't try the FG that essentially ended the game as soon as it didn't go thru.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

Down 11 pts

.....kick it on 4th and 2 or 3 at the goal line at end of a horrible half vs. NAU, easy kick, steal a little momentum and get within 8 points? Yes!!

.....kick it on 4th and 1 with 5 minutes left in the game, lots of momentum, tougher kick for kicker with limited confidence (and attempts over the past 3 weeks). No!!

Need at least 1 TD in the final 5 minutes.......go get the TD first and don't try the FG that essentially ended the game as soon as it didn't go thru.

Good closing argument :clap: :clap: :clap:

-End of Thread/Discussion-

 

[ranco]

I was never more frustrated when I saw the field goal team run haphazardly onto the field. I was in disbelief before the kick was even attempted. Mousegriz summed it up perfectly.

 

[GrizRanger]

Down 11 pts

.....kick it on 4th and 2 or 3 at the goal line at end of a horrible half vs. NAU, easy kick, steal a little momentum and get within 8 points? Yes!!

.....kick it on 4th and 1 with 5 minutes left in the game, lots of momentum, tougher kick for kicker with limited confidence (and attempts over the past 3 weeks). No!!

Need at least 1 TD in the final 5 minutes.......go get the TD first and don't try the FG that essentially ended the game as soon as it didn't go thru.

Try to get the 1st down and fail to make it, and the game is over as well. It comes down to what is a higher probability play, -kicking a field goal or getting a first down.

Generally with a good kicker I would say there is higher probability in kicking a field goal then getting a 1st down, however, with an unreliable kicker who knows?

We only know in hindsight. Makes for good debates on forums like this.

 

[PlayerRep]

Down 11 pts

.....kick it on 4th and 2 or 3 at the goal line at end of a horrible half vs. NAU, easy kick, steal a little momentum and get within 8 points? Yes!!

.....kick it on 4th and 1 with 5 minutes left in the game, lots of momentum, tougher kick for kicker with limited confidence (and attempts over the past 3 weeks). No!!

Need at least 1 TD in the final 5 minutes.......go get the TD first and don't try the FG that essentially ended the game as soon as it didn't go thru.

Try to get the 1st down and fail to make it, and the game is over as well. It comes down to what is a higher probability play, -kicking a field goal or getting a first down.

Generally with a good kicker I would say there is higher probability in kicking a field goal then getting a 1st down, however, with an unreliable kicker who knows?

We only know in hindsight. Makes for good debates on forums like this.

Your analysis is not the complete analysis. You also have to factor in the chances of getting a TD now or getting one later (after the FG and presumably having to go the length of the field). Also, it would be nice to know right away whether you got the 2-pt conversion, because if you didn't, you'd obviously have to go for a 2d TD.

 

[argh!]

i think they should have punted.

seriously, though, why not go for two after the first touchdown? they should have known they would need a two-point conversion to get the score within a field goal.i didn't play the game, though, so take that with a grain of greenie.