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Junior on Walter Payton watchlist

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Quarterbacks​

Chase Artopoeus, Chattanooga, Sr., 6-2, 208 (Southern Conference)

Luke Bailey, Drake, R-Sr., 6-2, 190 (Pioneer Football League)

Zach Calzada, UIW, Grad, 6-4, 200 (Southland Conference)

Myles Crawley, Grambling State, R-Sr., 6-3, 185 (Southwestern Athletic Conference)

Paxton DeLaurent, Southeast Missouri, Sr., 6-5, 229 (Big South-OVC Football Association)

Cole Gonzales, Western Carolina, Jr., 6-0, 195 (Southern Conference) – 2023 Finalist

Mark Gronowski, South Dakota State, Sr., 6-3, 225 (Missouri Valley Football Conference) – 2023 Recipient

Pierce Holley, Eastern Illinois, Grad, 6-2, 215 (Big South-OVC Football Association)

Tommy Mellott, Montana State, Sr., 6-0, 209 (Big Sky Conference) – 2022 Finalist

Cam Miller, North Dakota State, Sr., 6-1, 213 (Missouri Valley Football Conference) – 2023 Finalist

CJ Montes, Fordham, Jr., 6-2, 205 (Patriot League) – 2023 Finalist

Darius Perrantes, Duquesne, Sr., 6-0, 220 (Northeast Conference) – 2023 Finalist

Connor Watkins, Villanova, Grad, 6-3, 225 (CAA Football)

Jake Willcox, Brown, Fifth Year, 6-2, 195 (Ivy League) – 2023 Finalist

Running Backs​

Mari Adams, Davidson, Jr., 5-10, 210 (Pioneer Football League)

Kayvon Britten, Tarleton State, Sr., 5-7, 195 (United Athletic Conference)

Jamar Curtis, Lafayette, Jr., 5-8, 164 (Patriot League) – 2023 Finalist

Tyvon Edmonds Jr., Robert Morris, Sr., 5-8, 180 (Northeast Conference)

Jordan Fuller, Holy Cross, Sr., 6-0, 231 (Patriot League)

Jarett Hunter, Howard, Grad, 5-10, 205 (Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference)

Mason King, Illinois State, Sr., 6-2, 215 (Missouri Valley Football Conference)

Lan Larison, UC Davis, Sr., 6-0, 195 (Big Sky Conference) – 2023 Finalist

ShunDerrick Powell, Central Arkansas, Sr., 5-9, 180 (United Athletic Conference) – 2022 Finalist

Jaylon Spears, Nicholls, Jr., 5-10, 200 (Southland Conference)

Marcus Yarns, Delaware, Grad, 5-11, 183 (CAA Football)

Bronson Yoder, William & Mary, Sr., 5-11, 210 (CAA Football)

Wide Receivers​

Junior Bergen, Montana, Sr., 5-11, 180 (Big Sky Conference)

Efton Chism III, Eastern Washington, Sr., 5-11, 200 (Big Sky Conference)

Nick DeGennaro, Richmond, R-Sr., 6-1, 190 (CAA Football)

Jared Richardson, Penn, Jr., 6-2, 215 (Ivy League)

Donovan Wadley, Merrimack, Jr., 5-9, 180 (FCS Independent)

Javin Whatley, Chattanooga, Jr., 5-10, 170 (Southern Conference)

Offensive Linemen​

Zack Gieg, Southeast Missouri, Sr., 6-1, 290 (Big South-OVC Football Association)

Charles Grant, William & Mary, Sr., 6-4, 280 (CAA Football)

Marcus Wehr, Montana State, Sr., 6-4, 292 (Big Sky Conference)
 
poorgriz said:
Wait, but I thought Tommy wasn't a true QB, and I thought Marcus was too small to be a good OL? lol
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No one said Weir was too small, just that the Cat o-line is undersized, actually small.

UNM has 14 o-lineman above 300.

I thought you said that Davis was all-world, and that no UM rb would be in top 6 at MSU? How is Gillman getting all these awards?
 
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mthoopsfan said:
No one said Weir was too small, just that the Cat o-line is undersized, actually small.

UNM has 14 o-lineman above 300.

I thought you said that Davis was all-world, and that no UM rb would be in top 6 at MSU? How is Gillman getting all these awards?
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Question.. What is considered "Small" and what isn't. Are we going just weight? Weight and Height? Let's put a number to it... Is small anyone under 6'4? and is small 290 and under? Just want to get a handle on what is considered "Small".
 
mthoopsfan said:
No one said Weir was too small, just that the Cat o-line is undersized, actually small.

UNM has 14 o-lineman above 300.

I thought you said that Davis was all-world, and that no UM rb would be in top 6 at MSU? How is Gillman getting all these awards?
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Who cares? I'll take a tough, smart, physical 270lb O Lineman every day. Guarantee the Cats have a better OL than UNM.
 
SACCAT66 said:
Question.. What is considered "Small" and what isn't. Are we going just weight? Weight and Height? Let's put a number to it... Is small anyone under 6'4? and is small 290 and under? Just want to get a handle on what is considered "Small".
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Small is the Cat’s starting line. I assume you can look up their weight and height.
 
poorgriz said:
Who cares? I'll take a tough, smart, physical 270lb O Lineman every day. Guarantee the Cats have a better OL than UNM.
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Why are you so defensive? I said the Cat o-line is small. They are. It’s not disputable. I said nothing else about them.

Tell us about the UNM o-line. I assume you did some research? What are their sizes? Who are their starters?

I assume UNM will beat the Cats.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Why are you so defensive? I said the Cat o-line is small. They are. It’s not disputable. I said nothing else about them.

Tell us about the UNM o-line. I assume you did some research? What are their sizes? Who are their starters?

I assume UNM will beat the Cats.
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No, I didn't do much research on them because knowing the heights and weights for the OL tells you absolutely nothing about how good they are. I remember a few years ago I was concerned about the Cats going up against a team that had MONSTER sized O and D Lines. I thought we might get pushed around due to how much bigger they were on both lines. Nope, Cats pushed them around all game and crushed them.

If you think UNM will beat the Cats you should put some $$ down on that. Vegas odds show Cats as favorites by 7.5 points.
 
poorgriz said:
No, I didn't do much research on them because knowing the heights and weights for the OL tells you absolutely nothing about how good they are. I remember a few years ago I was concerned about the Cats going up against a team that had MONSTER sized O and D Lines. I thought we might get pushed around due to how much bigger they were on both lines. Nope, Cats pushed them around all game and crushed them.

If you think UNM will beat the Cats you should put some $$ down on that. Vegas odds show Cats as favorites by 7.5 points.
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If you don’t know anything about NM o-line, how can you guarantee Cat o-line is better?
 
mthoopsfan said:
Small is the Cat’s starting line. I assume you can look up their weight and height.
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I am simply asking what is considered small. Is it anyone under 6'4? Is it anyone under 300 pounds? Do you need to be over 6'4" and over 300 pounds to not be small? I didn't say the Cats are Big, I just asked what the parameters are.
 
mthoopsfan said:
If you don’t know anything about NM o-line, how can you guarantee Cat o-line is better?
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Because Vigen knows what he's doing, especially with the OL, and the Cats have had one of the best O Lines in the country every year since he's been here. 2024 will be no different. I'm sure UNM will have some good or great players on the OL, but it's probably going to take them some time to gel, if they ever do.
 
poorgriz said:
Because Vigen knows what he's doing, especially with the OL, and the Cats have had one of the best O Lines in the country every year since he's been here. 2024 will be no different. I'm sure UNM will have some good or great players on the OL, but it's probably going to take them some time to gel, if they ever do.
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I saw the Cat o-line in one game in person last season. 1-14 in 3d/4th down conversions. The Cat o-line got crushed by the Griz. Not a top o-lineman in that game.
 
SACCAT66 said:
I am simply asking what is considered small. Is it anyone under 6'4? Is it anyone under 300 pounds? Do you need to be over 6'4" and over 300 pounds to not be small? I didn't say the Cats are Big, I just asked what the parameters are.
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Here's the size of the UNM o-line from their spring ball two-deep. These guys are not small like the Cats. All transfers. 2 seniors and 3 juniors. 7 of the top 10 were transfers. I don't know if they got any late transfers after spring ball.

6'3", 315, Campbell/UCLA, starter at Campbell last season (where the new UNM o-line coach was)
6'6", 332, Florida Atlantic
6'3", 315, Grambling
6'4", 310, Texas A&M-Commerce
6'2", 303, East Carolina

The d-line are all senior transfers.

6'3", 292, Old Dominion
6'1", 270, USC - "Played in 35 games over a five-year career at USC, recording 32 tackles, 6.5 TFLs and QB Hurry … played in nine games as a senior with 12 tackles, 5.0 TFLs for 20 yads and 1.5 sacks for 12 yards … recorded 14 tackles with 1.5 TFLs as he played in all 13 games for USC in 2022"
6'5", 255, Weber St

I happen to notice this transfer corner: "San Diego State: Played in 25 games with eight starts in 2021 and 2022 before redshirting in 2023 … was named preseason All-MW by Athlon in 2022 and he recorded 36 tackles 1.5 for loss, forced fumble, an interception, and three pass breakups … as a true freshman had 15 tackles (10 solo), 0.5 tackles for loss, an interception, a fumble recovery and two pass breakups and started the opener, a first for an SDSU corner since 2009."
 
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mthoopsfan said:
Here's the size of the UNM o-line from their spring ball two-deep. These guys are not small like the Cats. All transfers. 2 seniors and 3 juniors. 7 of the top 10 were transfers. I don't know if they got any late transfers after spring ball.

6'3", 315, Campbell/UCLA, starter at Campbell last season (where the new UNM o-line coach was)
6'6", 332, Florida Atlantic
6'3", 315, Grambling
6'4", 310, Texas A&M-Commerce
6'2", 303, East Carolina

The d-line are all senior transfers.

6'3", 292, Old Dominion
6'1", 270, USC - "Played in 35 games over a five-year career at USC, recording 32 tackles, 6.5 TFLs and QB Hurry … played in nine games as a senior with 12 tackles, 5.0 TFLs for 20 yads and 1.5 sacks for 12 yards … recorded 14 tackles with 1.5 TFLs as he played in all 13 games for USC in 2022"
6'5", 255, Weber St

I happen to notice this transfer corner: "San Diego State: Played in 25 games with eight starts in 2021 and 2022 before redshirting in 2023 … was named preseason All-MW by Athlon in 2022 and he recorded 36 tackles 1.5 for loss, forced fumble, an interception, and three pass breakups … as a true freshman had 15 tackles (10 solo), 0.5 tackles for loss, an interception, a fumble recovery and two pass breakups and started the opener, a first for an SDSU corner since 2009."
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I didn't ask about UNM, I asked what is considered small. That is all.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Here's the size of the UNM o-line from their spring ball two-deep. These guys are not small like the Cats. All transfers. 2 seniors and 3 juniors. 7 of the top 10 were transfers. I don't know if they got any late transfers after spring ball.

6'3", 315, Campbell/UCLA, starter at Campbell last season (where the new UNM o-line coach was)
6'6", 332, Florida Atlantic
6'3", 315, Grambling
6'4", 310, Texas A&M-Commerce
6'2", 303, East Carolina

The d-line are all senior transfers.

6'3", 292, Old Dominion
6'1", 270, USC - "Played in 35 games over a five-year career at USC, recording 32 tackles, 6.5 TFLs and QB Hurry … played in nine games as a senior with 12 tackles, 5.0 TFLs for 20 yads and 1.5 sacks for 12 yards … recorded 14 tackles with 1.5 TFLs as he played in all 13 games for USC in 2022"
6'5", 255, Weber St

I happen to notice this transfer corner: "San Diego State: Played in 25 games with eight starts in 2021 and 2022 before redshirting in 2023 … was named preseason All-MW by Athlon in 2022 and he recorded 36 tackles 1.5 for loss, forced fumble, an interception, and three pass breakups … as a true freshman had 15 tackles (10 solo), 0.5 tackles for loss, an interception, a fumble recovery and two pass breakups and started the opener, a first for an SDSU corner since 2009."
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Cool. Well then UNM should dominate both lines and crush the Cats with all that size. I know you've already stated you assume UNM will win. We'll see how she goes.
 
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