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Judge Compels State to Turnover JJ Records

This is to bad for Joedan. He gets acquitted of a crime. Gets to play ball again the entire year looking to put it behind him and have a good season. Now his last year at UM and the end of his football playing days then this distraction comes along. Certainly not what Jordan or the coaches and team was expecting.

Could Jordan have gotten word of this a bit ago? Might this be something that is also contributing to his off season. Well along with our patchwork O line.

Sad deal for Jordan. Not the attention he was looking for I am sure.

I do hope this does make Engstrom look real bad and he is forced out.
 
I have a feeling their narrative won't be to "expose" the school, but instead to show how a football crazy town let a kid get away with rape.

Hope I'm wrong.
 
Privacy laws in Montana aren't bad. I'd guess that Krakauer had to argue that the commissioner's actions were a matter of public interest, which in normal instances would result in the release of documents with individuals' names redacted for privacy, though in this case redaction would be pointless.
Does anyone know if any objection to the release was filled on Johnson's behalf?

Regardless, there are other communities and other universities with similar stories that would be less complicated for lack of an acquittal.

Engstrom had a throw everyone under the bus at all costs, smuggle the Saudi student out of town meltdown that would surely be a good read. The bottom line is Christian but the brakes on Engstrom's bullshit kangaroo court antics. There's a book in there somewhere.
 
Nobody here knows what book the author plans to write, probably including the author himself in as much as he hasn't seen the material he asked for. Don't whine until the glass is poured. JJ may be portrayed as a scapegoat for all we know.
 
brootgrizr said:
Nobody here knows what book the author plans to write, probably including the author himself in as much as he hasn't seen the material he asked for. Don't whine until the glass is poured. JJ may be portrayed as a scapegoat for all we know.
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Anything is possible but odds are 25 to 1 that the author intends to write a book portraying athletes as a protected class getting away with murder.
 
Grizzlies1982 said:
brootgrizr said:
Nobody here knows what book the author plans to write, probably including the author himself in as much as he hasn't seen the material he asked for. Don't whine until the glass is poured. JJ may be portrayed as a scapegoat for all we know.
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Anything is possible but odds are 25 to 1 that the author intends to write a book portraying athletes as a protected class getting away with murder.
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Doubt it.

It would seem that most likely it will be a collection of investigations into the vast array of inconsistencies of how campuses handle sexual assault charges. Krakauer is an incredibly good investigative journalist. I would expect the book to be more of a showing how campuses poorly handle assault charges that has lead to harming the victims, bypassing due process for the accused, and inconsistently handling charges.
 
Grizzlies1982 said:
brootgrizr said:
Nobody here knows what book the author plans to write, probably including the author himself in as much as he hasn't seen the material he asked for. Don't whine until the glass is poured. JJ may be portrayed as a scapegoat for all we know.
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Anything is possible but odds are 25 to 1 that the author intends to write a book portraying athletes as a protected class getting away with murder.
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That's the politically correct approach you might expect, but hopefully Krakauer will surprise us and write a more nuanced book. Maybe even one that talks about how JJ wasn't treated very fairly by UM.

The reason I say that is about a year ago I read Krakauer's book, Three Cups of Deceit. The book blew the whistle on Greg Mortenson, the Bozeman fellow who wrote Three Cups of Tea and started the foundation that builds schools for girls in Pakistan and Afghanistan. In the early years, Krakauer was a big backer of Mortenson's work and helped promote it. But Krakauer than realize, and disclosed, how Mortenson had fabricated substantial parts of his books and how he had misused millions of dollars given to his foundation.

Frankly, I don't think Krakauer's work made him real popular in politically correct circles. Mortenson had built a real strong following of people, there was even talk he might win a Nobel Prize.

So we'll see.
 
BWahlberg said:
Grizzlies1982 said:
brootgrizr said:
Nobody here knows what book the author plans to write, probably including the author himself in as much as he hasn't seen the material he asked for. Don't whine until the glass is poured. JJ may be portrayed as a scapegoat for all we know.
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Anything is possible but odds are 25 to 1 that the author intends to write a book portraying athletes as a protected class getting away with murder.
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Doubt it.

It would seem that most likely it will be a collection of investigations into the vast array of inconsistencies of how campuses handle sexual assault charges. Krakauer is an incredibly good investigative journalist. I would expect the book to be more of a showing how campuses poorly handle assault charges that has lead to harming the victims, bypassing due process for the accused, and inconsistently handling charges.
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Hope you're right. That would be a pleasant surprise. Yet I seriously doubt it.

Which book would sell more copies; A version of inept campus Keystone Cops, or a blistering expose of how America's love affair with sports allows out of control athletes to run amok? Think about it. Which story would the publishers want to print?

Hell look at the press on the NFL these days. A handful of the 1500 athletes get out of control and per the media accounts you'd think every player was a wife beating child abuser. Again which book would the publisher be looking for... Ray Rice serial abuser, or Marc Mariani nice guy. Same with this college story, it not going to be a thoughtful exploration of the failures of campus administrators.
 
BWahlberg said:
Grizzlies1982 said:
brootgrizr said:
Nobody here knows what book the author plans to write, probably including the author himself in as much as he hasn't seen the material he asked for. Don't whine until the glass is poured. JJ may be portrayed as a scapegoat for all we know.
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Anything is possible but odds are 25 to 1 that the author intends to write a book portraying athletes as a protected class getting away with murder.
Click to expand...

Doubt it.

It would seem that most likely it will be a collection of investigations into the vast array of inconsistencies of how campuses handle sexual assault charges. Krakauer is an incredibly good investigative journalist. I would expect the book to be more of a showing how campuses poorly handle assault charges that has lead to harming the victims, bypassing due process for the accused, and inconsistently handling charges.
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No. Krakauer is not "an incredibly good investigative journalist". He has had moments where he did some really good writing - Under the Banner of Heaven, the work on the cult of Morman for example. He has had moments where he was a complete failure - Into the Wild for example.
 
There is a rumor that the author is aware of and wants a long memo written by counsel for the university system outlining the unfair process and mistakes made by the dean and the university in the university proceeding, and the resultant potential liability for the university. If this memo exists and this is what it says, it was probably the reason the university allowed the student to stay in school and stay on scholarship after the university proceeding went against him and his appeals were apparently lost. It would likely also be the basis for the rumored claim that may be brought against the university by the student.
 
Good lord. Let the kid finish out his college playing time. You can write a book after he's done. For me, as a Bobcat, this is just BS. I just hope no reporter is dumb enough to ask him about this latest crap. Let the kid be. They keep fu-ckin with his life. It's not right, it's just not right.
 
Phat Cat said:
Good lord. Let the kid finish out his college playing time. You can write a book after he's done. For me, as a Bobcat, this is just BS. I just hope no reporter is dumb enough to ask him about this latest crap. Let the kid be. They keep fu-ckin with his life. It's not right, it's just not right.
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How long do you think it takes to write a book of this magnitude? The documents are just now getting released, it will likely take months, if not a year plus, to write to this book. Then even once the book is finished, you have to go through the editing process and a huge marketing build up. By that time, JJ's college career will be long over. As much as I'm sure he'd love for this all to go away, I just don't buy the fact that this book is having much of an impact on his current situation. JJ is a tough kid. Compared to what he's already been through, this situation is small potatoes.

Although we can never be sure until the book it is published, I agree that the likely slant here is lthe unjust handling of sexual assault charges on campuses in the wake of a nationwide hysteria on the subject. Why else go through the months long legal process of obtaining these documents? The vast majority of the pertinent information on the charges themselves were revealed throughout the course of a trial. i would love for this to be the case because Engstrom's actions need to be revealed for what they were. He completely folded in the face of pressure from the Justice Department and the media and nearly ruined a student's life in the process. That's without even mentioning his complete ignorance of basic constitutional rights. You have to love what passes for "leadership" at UM these days.
 
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