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JJ
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racehorsewilly
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If its true that JJ's fate is in the hands of Clay Christian, that will be an interesting and revealing decision in my opinion. Both Clay and his father are Griz boosters, but in my opinion Clay backed into his present position, and it will be interesting to see if he has the intestinal fortitude to make a correct decision, and to explain that decision to the public. Probably more interesting to me than anyone else..
goatcreekgriz
Well-known member
The wild horse crackhead is deserving of most-favored poster status.
Spanky said:
Why exactly would Engstrom have to call Allied depending on Christian's decision?
That's a good question. He's fired two of his administrators. Couture the Dean of Students quit last month and now his Lawyer Aronofsky and an another VP, Duringer are choosing not to have their contracts renewed at year's end.grizindabox said:
Nope RE's ship isn't sinking, it's just 4 fathoms underwater and he can't see it.
perky0731 said:
Don't believe everything you hear on message boards/blogs! Is it that hard to understand? It is a blog/message board for people to talk about rumors and stuff like that. The Billings Gazette had NO such article in print on their main sports page about that. It was just in a tweet/blog about possible action being taken against Jordan Johnson. JJ has brought all this attention on himself and the Griz not the papers.
If we sued people for slander on tweets/message board blogs we would have to build prisons in space as there would be no more room on earth. *** Read them at your own risk - especially EGRIZ ***
Grizbacker1
Well-known member
WILD_CAT said:
Not true Herr Wildcat:
Internet Libel / Defamation
Internet Defamation is a very real problem for businesses and individuals in our connected and social media obsessed society.
Internet Defamation is a review, post, comment, web site, Facebook post or comment, Twitter tweet or other on-line false statement of fact and that reflects negatively on your reputation. Because internet defamation is by definition written rather than oral, it is technically internet libel. Slander involves oral false statements of fact.
Defamation per se involves false statements of fact which presumes damages. That is, no damages must be proven as an element of the defamation, libel or slander claim. Defamation per se occurs in most states when the false internet post, tweet, review or comment:
•accuses someone of a crime;
•alleges that someone has a disease;
•suggests that a person or business is unfit to conduct their business or trade; or
•imputes sexual misconduct.
Internet libel / defamation can negatively affect you on a grand scale. Before the Internet, very few people had a global audience. Now, a simple tweet or blog post has the potential audience of millions across the globe.
susanmiller
New member
"We’ve got a big problem in the United States. The problem is that too many young women are getting victimized by sexual assault and rape. It is happening way too frequently in high schools and on college campuses. Every young woman going back to school has an absolute right to be free of sexual assault and rape, but, unfortunately, too many young women are victimized by their dates and their classmates. The research statistics are staggering. 1 in 5 young women will be a victim of sexual assault while they’re in college. 1 in 10 teens will be hurt on purpose by someone they’re dating; and 1 in 9 teen girls will be forced to have sex. You don’t know these women as statistics. You know them as your classmates, as your friend, as your sister, the person you study with and hang out with. And you also know that they need help; and one of the ways to help is when you know what’s happening or happened intervene, step up. There’s no such thing as an innocent bystander when it comes to the abuse of a woman. If you know of it, if you see it, you have an absolute obligation to stop it. And the only way we’re going to stop it is for all of us to speak up and act and make it clear that violence against women will not be tolerated at your school, on your campus, at any time, for any reason."
VP, JB
VP, JB
I absolutely agree with your sentiments "susanmiller" and do not question your statistics or your point of view. But there has to be a quid pro quo so to speak.
I am not trying to play down or further victimize anyone who has experienced sexual assault or for that matter any type of assault and battery. But when it takes over a year for an alleged victim(s) to come forward with her/his story and report the assault, when whatever evidence is left is open to question, where is the same outrage for the accused?
I am not trying to get into another debate on this issue and I am certainly not trying to defend any perpetrator of a crime, including JJ if indeed he has committed a crime. However the court of public opinion has already villified the Community, the University, the University Football Team, suspected accused, and the alleged victims and no one has yet been convicted of a crime. Only one person has been charged, and he admitted his wrongdoing.
There is no question that each and every one of us has a stake in helping to improve the safety of our communities as you suggest, but when so much of what is alleged in regard to sexual assault, be it here or somewhere else, is done in private encounter's your recommendations are easier said than done.
I am not trying to play down or further victimize anyone who has experienced sexual assault or for that matter any type of assault and battery. But when it takes over a year for an alleged victim(s) to come forward with her/his story and report the assault, when whatever evidence is left is open to question, where is the same outrage for the accused?
I am not trying to get into another debate on this issue and I am certainly not trying to defend any perpetrator of a crime, including JJ if indeed he has committed a crime. However the court of public opinion has already villified the Community, the University, the University Football Team, suspected accused, and the alleged victims and no one has yet been convicted of a crime. Only one person has been charged, and he admitted his wrongdoing.
There is no question that each and every one of us has a stake in helping to improve the safety of our communities as you suggest, but when so much of what is alleged in regard to sexual assault, be it here or somewhere else, is done in private encounter's your recommendations are easier said than done.
Gaeilge1 said:
Sadly JJ guilty or not is caught up in something that is beyond him or his situation. I hate pendelum swings. Susanmiller is explaining in part what all the hullabalu is all about. A part of this community and at least a part of the Athletic community is quick to quick to jump to the accused's defense with "Victim Blaming" (as is the other sides "all men are evil") the attitude should be NONE of this should EVER happen, and make sure the system takes its course EVERY TIME. The university is charged to investigation and take action independent of the legal system. The appearence is (and the reason for the investigations it appears to me that the system in place of reporting and handeling these things was incomplete or broken and there was some hiding behind the "letter of the law"
susanmiller
New member
One of the biggest misunderstandings in public portrayals of sexual assault is that if no charges are filed then it was a false report. A tiny percentage of assaults are reported and a tiny percentage of those are charged because the courts operate under the burden of proof called "beyond a reasonable doubt." These crimes rarely have witnesses and it can be very difficult to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that one person is telling the truth over another person. I believe in due process and will not refer to someone as guilty if they are not found guilty in a court of law. What I would ask of everyone is to give that same respect to the accusers in these situations. Coming forward to report an assault is very difficult and it shows an incredible lack of sensitivity and compassion to speak about a situation you do not understand in such a hurtful manner.
susanmiller said:
I appreciate this and understand completely, but unfortunately there is a large neanderthal population on this board who is going to start attacking you shortly if they haven't done it yet in a private message. I would like to think that not many men still think that way and that it is false bravado and posturing on a message board, but I am not sure. I think you see the same issue in young boys who are abused. It is sometimes easier to say nothing than to relive the shame and be accused of ruining peoples lives.
jcu27 said:
Of course people break the law. But creating a permissive environment only makes it easier.
