JJ Charged With Rape

[GrizPony]

Yeah, but there may be plenty of evidence that exonerates him in the emails. If so, he should never be charged because you can't get your reputation and life back, even after an acquittal. That's why a prosecutor's job is to pursue justice, not convictions. Are you dense?

in the motion to dismiss the defense isn't denying that jane doe said "no." the defense isn't denying that j.j. said, "roll over or i'll make you." that stuff kind trumps the texts, which if the motion to dismiss is the biggest they've got aren't all that much.

Jesus, the Motion to Dismiss can NOT be construed as an admission of all things it doesn't directly address. It is addressing only the legal issues contained therein. Lets just admit you don't know anything about the law. I don't have time to give you a law degree and I doubt you could understand if I tried. :roll:

 

[GrizPony]

Yeah, but there may be plenty of evidence that exonerates him in the emails. If so, he should never be charged because you can't get your reputation and life back, even after an acquittal. That's why a prosecutor's job is to pursue justice, not convictions. Are you dense?

I think you're dense. It isn't that hard to understand if you take the blinders off dickhead.

Great comeback Festus. No answer to the specifics so you resort to the old first grader saying: "same to you but more of it!" Hahahaha Please kill yourself.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

There is no statute of limitations issue pressing the prosecutor to file now. It is inexcusable for the prosecutor to fail to review relevant evidence that is available to review prior to filing the affidavit under these circumstances. A thousand pages? It's really not that much if you sit yourself down and avoid distractions. This is very troubling.

 

[tnt]

FWIW, Not one but two of the University gals who are care providers for my grandaughter office both said pretty the same thing about the "emails" of course he would be surprised. His "type" always are. They assume every girl wants it, and are so self absorbed, they assume every partner is thrilled they were allowed the opportunity and it must have been great for them.

Both of these counseling grad students were not surprised at the defense, as its pretty typically the "same" in every date rape case. Also not atypical is the growing anger of the "victims" when they see the perpetrator feels nothing and sees no problem. An apology as simple as "I guess things got to far" would likley have put an end to it.

By the time the expert testimony is done, it will be a different case. The He said/She said much less a factor.

 

[AZGrizFan]

FWIW, Not one but two of the University gals who are care providers for my grandaughter office both said pretty the same thing about the "emails" of course he would be surprised. His "type" always are. They assume every girl wants it, and are so self absorbed, they assume every partner is thrilled they were allowed the opportunity and it must have been great for them.

Both of these counseling grad students were not surprised at the defense, as its pretty typically the "same" in every date rape case. Also not atypical is the growing anger of the "victims" when they see the perpetrator feels nothing and sees no problem. An apology as simple as "I guess things got to far" would likley have put an end to it.

By the time the expert testimony is done, it will be a different case. The He said/She said much less a factor.

Really? Beau Donaldson called up and "apologized" and look what that got him?

 

[GrizPony]

FWIW, Not one but two of the University gals who are care providers for my grandaughter office both said pretty the same thing about the "emails" of course he would be surprised. His "type" always are. They assume every girl wants it, and are so self absorbed, they assume every partner is thrilled they were allowed the opportunity and it must have been great for them.

Both of these counseling grad students were not surprised at the defense, as its pretty typically the "same" in every date rape case. Also not atypical is the growing anger of the "victims" when they see the perpetrator feels nothing and sees no problem. An apology as simple as "I guess things got to far" would likley have put an end to it.

By the time the expert testimony is done, it will be a different case. The He said/She said much less a factor.

You are wrong. Most rape cases don't have emails where the victim admits they weren't clear with the date "rapist". Cloud it up and proceed with your agenda. To hell with the facts. Lets call in the experts now since the facts aren't good for our agenda? When she said he was a good person, after the fact, was it because she was too stupid to know any better until you told her? Isn't that sexist of you in a way?

 

[grizindabox]

I think there are questions about her story and actions that may put this case beyond the he said/she said point for right now.

 

[argh!]

it is truly sad that so many are making up scenarios in their wee little brains, then exonerating johnson with their inventions. yeah, some email from the girl might have said "i'm making this up to get even", but then again, one might say "after i said "no" he threatened, then raped me. i was too scared and in shock to yell for help."

in other words, we don't know whether there are damning OR exonerating emails, so quit being hero worshiping losers and making shit up for the purpose of 'saving' johnson. it is pathetic.

 

[BDizzle]

If this case isn't dropped he will be acquitted. Unfortunately his name has already been drug through the mud and this will always be around him. Her texts to Brian O'day are very harmful to her. She states that she has been living in fear and trauma but then texts a male friend almost making a joke of it and saying she's not too worried about it. Too many witnesses hearing and reading things that happened outside of the bedroom that hurt her case and only two witnesses that know what happened inside the bedroom.

 

[84GRIZ]

FWIW, Not one but two of the University gals who are care providers for my grandaughter office both said pretty the same thing about the "emails" of course he would be surprised. His "type" always are. They assume every girl wants it, and are so self absorbed, they assume every partner is thrilled they were allowed the opportunity and it must have been great for them.

Both of these counseling grad students were not surprised at the defense, as its pretty typically the "same" in every date rape case. Also not atypical is the growing anger of the "victims" when they see the perpetrator feels nothing and sees no problem. An apology as simple as "I guess things got to far" would likley have put an end to it.

By the time the expert testimony is done, it will be a different case. The He said/She said much less a factor.

Jeezzzz TNT. Did you go take a class from our favorite reporter on how to win an arguement????? Go read her article on the gay guy getting beat up with all her "expert" comments and then read your statement above. Sounds almost the same. I am beginning to think that you really are related to her!!!! Just saying.

 

[argh!]

If this case isn't dropped he will be acquitted. Unfortunately his name has already been drug through the mud and this will always be around him. Her texts to Brian O'day are very harmful to her. She states that she has been living in fear and trauma but then texts a male friend almost making a joke of it and saying she's not too worried about it. Too many witnesses hearing and reading things that happened outside of the bedroom that hurt her case and only two witnesses that know what happened inside the bedroom.

you prove my point.

 

[getgrizzy]

it is truly sad that so many are making up scenarios in their wee little brains, then exonerating johnson with their inventions. yeah, some email from the girl might have said "i'm making this up to get even", but then again, one might say "after i said "no" he threatened, then raped me. i was too scared and in shock to yell for help."

in other words, we don't know whether there are damning OR exonerating emails, so quit being hero worshiping losers and making shit up for the purpose of 'saving' johnson. it is pathetic.

excellent post. way too many people just want him to be not guilty to justify their existance. justice isn't a factor, just a not guilty verdict. if you secretly gave convincing evidence to a lot of these posters, they'd still want him to be found not guilty, selfishly. to them this isn't about justice it's about griz football. he'll be found not guilty, whether he is or isn't, and it'll be back to business as usual.

 

[grizhunter]

Yeah, but there may be plenty of evidence that exonerates him in the emails. If so, he should never be charged because you can't get your reputation and life back, even after an acquittal. That's why a prosecutor's job is to pursue justice, not convictions. Are you dense?

Great comeback Festus. No answer to the specifics so you resort to the old first grader saying: "same to you but more of it!" Hahahaha Please kill yourself.

Yes, yes I am, but no, I do not want to kill myself.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

it is truly sad that so many are making up scenarios in their wee little brains, then exonerating johnson with their inventions. yeah, some email from the girl might have said "i'm making this up to get even", but then again, one might say "after i said "no" he threatened, then raped me. i was too scared and in shock to yell for help."

in other words, we don't know whether there are damning OR exonerating emails, so quit being hero worshiping losers and making shit up for the purpose of 'saving' johnson. it is pathetic.

excellent post. way too many people just want him to be not guilty to justify their existance. justice isn't a factor, just a not guilty verdict. if you secretly gave convincing evidence to a lot of these posters, they'd still want him to be found not guilty, selfishly. to them this isn't about justice it's about griz football. he'll be found not guilty, whether he is or isn't, and it'll be back to business as usual.

I want him to be found not guilty because after hearing from the prosection and then the defense, that is what in my gut tells me his is.

IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[BDizzle]

If this case isn't dropped he will be acquitted. Unfortunately his name has already been drug through the mud and this will always be around him. Her texts to Brian O'day are very harmful to her. She states that she has been living in fear and trauma but then texts a male friend almost making a joke of it and saying she's not too worried about it. Too many witnesses hearing and reading things that happened outside of the bedroom that hurt her case and only two witnesses that know what happened inside the bedroom.

you prove my point.

By stating facts?

I'm not saying he didn't rape her. Hell I have no idea what went on in that room. But what happened in that room is strictly he said/she said.

But the evidence before and after the bedroom will help his case. One witness can attest to the fact that she approached him "sexually" and even said something along the lines that she would. Multiple texts that refute her statements that she was traumatized. Her own statements that she isn't sure if she was clear or not.

I honestly, at first, thought he did rape her. I thought he was drunk and didn't mean to but he still raped her. After talking to some people and reading the events I am starting to believe that it was consensual and she just has a few screws loose.

I guess we will see!

 

[grizindabox]

getgrizzy, so with what you know right now, could you possibly find JJ guilty? My point is that as of right now, their are things that have to put doubt into a person's mind as to whether this story is true or not. These maybe addressed as the case proceeds, and will have to to prove guilt.

 

[tnt]

FWIW, Not one but two of the University gals who are care providers for my grandaughter office both said pretty the same thing about the "emails" of course he would be surprised. His "type" always are. They assume every girl wants it, and are so self absorbed, they assume every partner is thrilled they were allowed the opportunity and it must have been great for them.

Both of these counseling grad students were not surprised at the defense, as its pretty typically the "same" in every date rape case. Also not atypical is the growing anger of the "victims" when they see the perpetrator feels nothing and sees no problem. An apology as simple as "I guess things got to far" would likley have put an end to it.

By the time the expert testimony is done, it will be a different case. The He said/She said much less a factor.

Jeezzzz TNT. Did you go take a class from our favorite reporter on how to win an arguement????? Go read her article on the gay guy getting beat up with all her "expert" comments and then read your statement above. Sounds almost the same. I am beginning to think that you really are related to her!!!! Just saying.

Note, I didn't say it..... This not going to go away because JJ and his attorneys said he didn't do it and the prosecutor isn't "fair" I wouldn't bet on either way this will go.

(Donaldson waited way too long, he shoulda been thinking oh s*** before she woke up)

 

[Tokyogriz]

JJ is now charged and will get his day in court.

People saying they know he is guilty or saying they know he is innocent are flat out lying since no one on this board was at the scene or involved in this case.

JJ now does deserve the sanctions or being removed from the team as is a fair process. Hopefully justice will be served and if he is innocent then will be found so in court. Likewise if he is guilty then punishment will be handed out. A few posts have pointed out how incredibley grey many of these date rape cases are.

Wether JJ is found guilty or innocent his life is on a completly different path now that will forever scar him, and the alleged victim will also be in a similiar situation.

I see no real winner here other than raising awareness of date rape which is good. But it will always be with us as a society, and due to its often beyond vague nature will continue to frustrate and ruin lives of both men and women in the future unfortunately.

The 2 charges against griz athletes do not point to a rape culture at UM football however. People on here pontificating about the evils of UM Football are manipulating things to accomplish their own Florio agenda against UM football. Both the rape cases that have been brought against UM players could easily have been anyone elses children with drinking and hormones involved. This is not a justification but reality. In fact the entire male population of UM is as likely to commit a rape in these circumstances as any football player. So the issue is not UM Football but the real focus should be on young men in general.

The penn state sex scandal simply gave Gwen Florio the pedastal/willing audiance she needed to attack UM football and most people are all to willing to simply paint football players are rapist or violent scum instead of looking at the big picture of sex crimes that occur in Missoula accross all stereotypes and class boundries.

 

[tnt]

JJ is now charged and will get his day in court.

People saying they know he is guilty or saying they know he is innocent are flat out lying since no one on this board was at the scene or involved in this case.

JJ now does deserve the sanctions or being removed from the team as is a fair process. Hopefully justice will be served and if he is innocent then will be found so in court. Likewise if he is guilty then punishment will be handed out. A few posts have pointed out how incredibley grey many of these date rape cases are.

Wether JJ is found guilty or innocent his life is on a completly different path now that will forever scar him, and the alleged victim will also be in a similiar situation.

I see no real winner here other than raising awareness of date rape which is good. But it will always be with us as a society, and due to its often beyond vague nature will continue to frustrate and ruin lives of both men and women in the future unfortunately.

The 2 charges against griz athletes do not point to a rape culture at UM football however. People on here pontificating about the evils of UM Football are manipulating things to accomplish their own Florio agenda against UM football. Both the rape cases that have been brought against UM players could easily have been anyone elses children with drinking and hormones involved. This is not a justification but reality. In fact the entire male population of UM is as likely to commit a rape in these circumstances as any football player. So the issue is not UM Football but the real focus should be on young men in general.

The penn state sex scandal simply gave Gwen Florio the pedastal/willing audiance she needed to attack UM football and most people are all to willing to simply paint football players are rapist or violent scum instead of looking at the big picture of sex crimes that occur in Missoula accross all stereotypes and class boundries.

Pretty well stated, BUT it is a university problem. Somehow florio has made it a football problem. Too many years of empire building IMHO

 

[getgrizzy]

it is truly sad that so many are making up scenarios in their wee little brains, then exonerating johnson with their inventions. yeah, some email from the girl might have said "i'm making this up to get even", but then again, one might say "after i said "no" he threatened, then raped me. i was too scared and in shock to yell for help."

in other words, we don't know whether there are damning OR exonerating emails, so quit being hero worshiping losers and making shit up for the purpose of 'saving' johnson. it is pathetic.

excellent post. way too many people just want him to be not guilty to justify their existance. justice isn't a factor, just a not guilty verdict. if you secretly gave convincing evidence to a lot of these posters, they'd still want him to be found not guilty, selfishly. to them this isn't about justice it's about griz football. he'll be found not guilty, whether he is or isn't, and it'll be back to business as usual.

I want him to be found not guilty because after hearing from the prosection and then the defense, that is what in my gut tells me his is.

IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL :roll: :roll: :roll:

congrats! you're not one of the "too many people."