Its Time to Clean House.

[ordigger]

Never ever thought I'd say this. This coaching staff has to go and along with them any administrator who thinks otherwise.

There are the football purists who love the game and every nuance about it savor every statistic and debate every call, play for weeks soetimes years. Thats great. They stayed home yesterday because it was just UNC.

There are the rabid fans who despite the fact the never could or once may have been think they are on the team. There are the super booster who spend $$$$$$ for the chance to be insiders and their egos stroked. They were there but pissed.

But yesterday was the first visible signs of the "end" The rest of us or as my buddy put it, the ones who fill 22,000 seats making the program possible for the guys above were beyond pissed. They spent hundreds of dollars and a day of their time despite dozens of alternatives to be "entertained". They weren't.

The coaches were playing a technical game that neither the players or crowd cared about. The excitement lasted one quarter. We barely won the second quarter. It was flat early in. The late crowd at half never came back. The rest started leaving. Its pretty sad when the group in my session start cheering for a third string quarter back on the opposing team, who is having the best day of his life.

As my wife pointed out for what we spent with season tickets, booster fees, brunch dinner etc etc. We could have flown to Seattle seen a great game, and an even greater meal, and really had some fun. We could finish out the season like this win every game take a great run for a Naty, and still wonder why.

The sad thing is most of us would sooner have a great game, and great experience win or lose, than a day like yesterday.

Let's start with EGriz "fans" first.....this place has gotten freaking ridiculous. Personally I hope Mick stays until he hits 90 just so you can all keep whining. Meanwhile I'll be enjoying the NC's he wins with his awesome recruiting.

 

[GrizGuy]

Never ever thought I'd say this. This coaching staff has to go and along with them any administrator who thinks otherwise.

There are the football purists who love the game and every nuance about it savor every statistic and debate every call, play for weeks soetimes years. Thats great. They stayed home yesterday because it was just UNC.

There are the rabid fans who despite the fact the never could or once may have been think they are on the team. There are the super booster who spend $$$$$$ for the chance to be insiders and their egos stroked. They were there but pissed.

But yesterday was the first visible signs of the "end" The rest of us or as my buddy put it, the ones who fill 22,000 seats making the program possible for the guys above were beyond pissed. They spent hundreds of dollars and a day of their time despite dozens of alternatives to be "entertained". They weren't.

The coaches were playing a technical game that neither the players or crowd cared about. The excitement lasted one quarter. We barely won the second quarter. It was flat early in. The late crowd at half never came back. The rest started leaving. Its pretty sad when the group in my session start cheering for a third string quarter back on the opposing team, who is having the best day of his life.

As my wife pointed out for what we spent with season tickets, booster fees, brunch dinner etc etc. We could have flown to Seattle seen a great game, and an even greater meal, and really had some fun. We could finish out the season like this win every game take a great run for a Naty, and still wonder why.

The sad thing is most of us would sooner have a great game, and great experience win or lose, than a day like yesterday.

Coaches & their styles will come & go. I'm not a huge fan of this style, but I'll always support the team. So, don't break a leg when you jump off the bandwagon.

 

[PlayerRep]

Never ever thought I'd say this. This coaching staff has to go and along with them any administrator who thinks otherwise.

There are the football purists who love the game and every nuance about it savor every statistic and debate every call, play for weeks soetimes years. Thats great. They stayed home yesterday because it was just UNC.

There are the rabid fans who despite the fact the never could or once may have been think they are on the team. There are the super booster who spend $$$$$$ for the chance to be insiders and their egos stroked. They were there but pissed.

But yesterday was the first visible signs of the "end" The rest of us or as my buddy put it, the ones who fill 22,000 seats making the program possible for the guys above were beyond pissed. They spent hundreds of dollars and a day of their time despite dozens of alternatives to be "entertained". They weren't.

The coaches were playing a technical game that neither the players or crowd cared about. The excitement lasted one quarter. We barely won the second quarter. It was flat early in. The late crowd at half never came back. The rest started leaving. Its pretty sad when the group in my session start cheering for a third string quarter back on the opposing team, who is having the best day of his life.

As my wife pointed out for what we spent with season tickets, booster fees, brunch dinner etc etc. We could have flown to Seattle seen a great game, and an even greater meal, and really had some fun. We could finish out the season like this win every game take a great run for a Naty, and still wonder why.

The sad thing is most of us would sooner have a great game, and great experience win or lose, than a day like yesterday.

I doubt you'd be missed

The opinion of TNT is as valid as yours. In fact, looking at 4 of the last 5 games sorta validates TNT'S points. Remember, this is Northern Colorado we are talking about as well. If the game was so one sided, I actually agree that the back ups be allowed to see actual game experience. At the rate of injuries UM is having, exceeding everything I have seen recently, it might have been a good plan, Of course, that raises the question of why so many injuries and could it be the style of play the coaching staff employs? Over conditioning? Or, do the Griz play with more 'abandon' than other teams, even the weak sisters of the Big Sky...Lots of questions about this staff by the fans who have supported UM for years. It is easy to kill the golden goose, as Penn State, Michigan, Oklahoma, USC, Notre Dame, Washington, Youngstown, Appalachian and many others have done. It is hard to rebuild a champion level confidence (swagger?) once it is lost.

Nope. Sorry to inform you that all opinions are not created equal, and one opinion is not as valid as the next. Surprised that a semi-educated person like yourself would not know that. I'd love to see you saying that opinions of Fox News and the Wall St Journal are as valid as Dems and liberals.

Note true that looking at 4 of the last 5 games does not validate TNT's points. The season so far shows that TNT's thread title is wrong. UM, and especially the defense, played fairly well against Wyo. and NDS. Beat USD. Clobbered NC. The team is a work in progress. O-line is improving but needs to improve more. Injuries mounting up. An o-line with no returning starters, and a 3d team left tackle (who is doing fairly well). JJ operating without 4 of his top 5 receivers: Henderson, Chase N., Walcott and Saylor (now a tight end). The top 3 returners out. The very good punter out. The best d-tackle hurt. Others hurt. While still hard to tell where the team will end up, the team is still in the ballpark and has good potential.

 

[GrizLA]

Never ever thought I'd say this. This coaching staff has to go and along with them any administrator who thinks otherwise.

There are the football purists who love the game and every nuance about it savor every statistic and debate every call, play for weeks soetimes years. Thats great. They stayed home yesterday because it was just UNC.

There are the rabid fans who despite the fact the never could or once may have been think they are on the team. There are the super booster who spend $$$$$$ for the chance to be insiders and their egos stroked. They were there but pissed.

But yesterday was the first visible signs of the "end" The rest of us or as my buddy put it, the ones who fill 22,000 seats making the program possible for the guys above were beyond pissed. They spent hundreds of dollars and a day of their time despite dozens of alternatives to be "entertained". They weren't.

The coaches were playing a technical game that neither the players or crowd cared about. The excitement lasted one quarter. We barely won the second quarter. It was flat early in. The late crowd at half never came back. The rest started leaving. Its pretty sad when the group in my session start cheering for a third string quarter back on the opposing team, who is having the best day of his life.

As my wife pointed out for what we spent with season tickets, booster fees, brunch dinner etc etc. We could have flown to Seattle seen a great game, and an even greater meal, and really had some fun. We could finish out the season like this win every game take a great run for a Naty, and still wonder why.

The sad thing is most of us would sooner have a great game, and great experience win or lose, than a day like yesterday.

I doubt you'd be missed

The opinion of TNT is as valid as yours. In fact, looking at 4 of the last 5 games sorta validates TNT'S points. Remember, this is Northern Colorado we are talking about as well. If the game was so one sided, I actually agree that the back ups be allowed to see actual game experience. At the rate of injuries UM is having, exceeding everything I have seen recently, it might have been a good plan, Of course, that raises the question of why so many injuries and could it be the style of play the coaching staff employs? Over conditioning? Or, do the Griz play with more 'abandon' than other teams, even the weak sisters of the Big Sky...Lots of questions about this staff by the fans who have supported UM for years. It is easy to kill the golden goose, as Penn State, Michigan, Oklahoma, USC, Notre Dame, Washington, Youngstown, Appalachian and many others have done. It is hard to rebuild a champion level confidence (swagger?) once it is lost.

Nope. Sorry to inform you that all opinions are not created equal, and one opinion is not as valid as the next. Surprised that a semi-educated person like yourself would not know that. I'd love to see you saying that opinions of Fox News and the Wall St Journal are as valid as Dems and liberals.

Note true that looking at 4 of the last 5 games does not validate TNT's points. The season so far shows that TNT's thread title is wrong. UM, and especially the defense, played fairly well against Wyo. and NDS. Beat USD. Clobbered NC. The team is a work in progress. O-line is improving but needs to improve more. Injuries mounting up. An o-line with no returning starters, and a 3d team left tackle (who is doing fairly well). JJ operating without 4 of his top 5 receivers: Henderson, Chase N., Walcott and Saylor (now a tight end). The top 3 returners out. The very good punter out. The best d-tackle hurt. Others hurt. While still hard to tell where the team will end up, the team is still in the ballpark and has good potential.

Yes, this team has potential and isn't that what MOST OF THESE THREADS ARE ABOUT? I actually do agree with you that they have "potential". In fact, they have substantially more than you do as a relevant human being whose aim seems to be make yourself important. You ain't...I kinda find you a cross between amusingly arrogant and simply narcissistic.

 

[PlayerRep]

Never ever thought I'd say this. This coaching staff has to go and along with them any administrator who thinks otherwise.

There are the football purists who love the game and every nuance about it savor every statistic and debate every call, play for weeks soetimes years. Thats great. They stayed home yesterday because it was just UNC.

There are the rabid fans who despite the fact the never could or once may have been think they are on the team. There are the super booster who spend $$$$$$ for the chance to be insiders and their egos stroked. They were there but pissed.

But yesterday was the first visible signs of the "end" The rest of us or as my buddy put it, the ones who fill 22,000 seats making the program possible for the guys above were beyond pissed. They spent hundreds of dollars and a day of their time despite dozens of alternatives to be "entertained". They weren't.

The coaches were playing a technical game that neither the players or crowd cared about. The excitement lasted one quarter. We barely won the second quarter. It was flat early in. The late crowd at half never came back. The rest started leaving. Its pretty sad when the group in my session start cheering for a third string quarter back on the opposing team, who is having the best day of his life.

As my wife pointed out for what we spent with season tickets, booster fees, brunch dinner etc etc. We could have flown to Seattle seen a great game, and an even greater meal, and really had some fun. We could finish out the season like this win every game take a great run for a Naty, and still wonder why.

The sad thing is most of us would sooner have a great game, and great experience win or lose, than a day like yesterday.

I doubt you'd be missed

The opinion of TNT is as valid as yours. In fact, looking at 4 of the last 5 games sorta validates TNT'S points. Remember, this is Northern Colorado we are talking about as well. If the game was so one sided, I actually agree that the back ups be allowed to see actual game experience. At the rate of injuries UM is having, exceeding everything I have seen recently, it might have been a good plan, Of course, that raises the question of why so many injuries and could it be the style of play the coaching staff employs? Over conditioning? Or, do the Griz play with more 'abandon' than other teams, even the weak sisters of the Big Sky...Lots of questions about this staff by the fans who have supported UM for years. It is easy to kill the golden goose, as Penn State, Michigan, Oklahoma, USC, Notre Dame, Washington, Youngstown, Appalachian and many others have done. It is hard to rebuild a champion level confidence (swagger?) once it is lost.

Nope. Sorry to inform you that all opinions are not created equal, and one opinion is not as valid as the next. Surprised that a semi-educated person like yourself would not know that. I'd love to see you saying that opinions of Fox News and the Wall St Journal are as valid as Dems and liberals.

Note true that looking at 4 of the last 5 games does not validate TNT's points. The season so far shows that TNT's thread title is wrong. UM, and especially the defense, played fairly well against Wyo. and NDS. Beat USD. Clobbered NC. The team is a work in progress. O-line is improving but needs to improve more. Injuries mounting up. An o-line with no returning starters, and a 3d team left tackle (who is doing fairly well). JJ operating without 4 of his top 5 receivers: Henderson, Chase N., Walcott and Saylor (now a tight end). The top 3 returners out. The very good punter out. The best d-tackle hurt. Others hurt. While still hard to tell where the team will end up, the team is still in the ballpark and has good potential.

Would be happy to put my accomplishments in sports, profession and life up against yours anytime.

 

[yogi]

Here we go, your friend, yogi

 

[George Ferguson]

I DVR'd the game. There WERE NOT 2,000 empty seats in the first half. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE. See that's what I have a problem with, not TNT's opinion that the house needs to be cleaned. Even if I 100 percent don't agree with him, that's his opinion and I'm fine with him posting it. What i have a problem with is using lies or false facts to back up an opinion. And in this case, saying "Oh, look at the south endzone after halftime" as a reason to say fan interest is falling is insane. Does TNT or anyone else not think that a large number of Egrizzers haven't been attending Griz games for a long, long time? The stadium IS ALWAYS 3/4 EMPTY IN THE THIRD QUARTER. ALWAYS. It's been that way since Wash-Griz opened, and the opponent has nothing to do with it. I have a few panoramic shots of what many people called the "greatest game in Wash-Griz history", the 2009 Appy game. The stadium was 3/4 empty when Chase Reynolds scored a go-ahead touchdown on the opening drive of the third quarter. I was there, but many, many, many Griz fans weren't. Just the way it's always been.

Yes, a lot of people simply didn't come back yesterday because it was a boring blowout, but that also is not an indicator of ANYTHING negative. That's happened many times too.

Bottom line, many of you who think Delaney should have been fired this morning, have a lot of stats and and whatever else to back it up. But third-quarter attendance is simply NOT ONE OF THEM.

 

[mcg]

Never ever thought I'd say this. This coaching staff has to go and along with them any administrator who thinks otherwise.

There are the football purists who love the game and every nuance about it savor every statistic and debate every call, play for weeks soetimes years. Thats great. They stayed home yesterday because it was just UNC.

There are the rabid fans who despite the fact the never could or once may have been think they are on the team. There are the super booster who spend $$$$$$ for the chance to be insiders and their egos stroked. They were there but pissed.

But yesterday was the first visible signs of the "end" The rest of us or as my buddy put it, the ones who fill 22,000 seats making the program possible for the guys above were beyond pissed. They spent hundreds of dollars and a day of their time despite dozens of alternatives to be "entertained". They weren't.

The coaches were playing a technical game that neither the players or crowd cared about. The excitement lasted one quarter. We barely won the second quarter. It was flat early in. The late crowd at half never came back. The rest started leaving. Its pretty sad when the group in my session start cheering for a third string quarter back on the opposing team, who is having the best day of his life.

As my wife pointed out for what we spent with season tickets, booster fees, brunch dinner etc etc. We could have flown to Seattle seen a great game, and an even greater meal, and really had some fun. We could finish out the season like this win every game take a great run for a Naty, and still wonder why.

The sad thing is most of us would sooner have a great game, and great experience win or lose, than a day like yesterday.

So we are to fire the coach because:

The Griz didn't win by enough points (they did win by 25)

Some fans chose to spend the second half drinking beer (this problem is as old as original sin, not sure what the coach is supposed to do about those fans who don't care enough to actually watch the game)

The game only drew 25,200 (I'm guessing here but I suspect that would rank in the top 10 Wa-Griz crowds all time)

There is actually the potential for a legitimate discussion about the future of the coaching staff, but this ain't it.

 

[tnt]

Never ever thought I'd say this. This coaching staff has to go and along with them any administrator who thinks otherwise.

There are the football purists who love the game and every nuance about it savor every statistic and debate every call, play for weeks soetimes years. Thats great. They stayed home yesterday because it was just UNC.

There are the rabid fans who despite the fact the never could or once may have been think they are on the team. There are the super booster who spend $$$$$$ for the chance to be insiders and their egos stroked. They were there but pissed.

But yesterday was the first visible signs of the "end" The rest of us or as my buddy put it, the ones who fill 22,000 seats making the program possible for the guys above were beyond pissed. They spent hundreds of dollars and a day of their time despite dozens of alternatives to be "entertained". They weren't.

The coaches were playing a technical game that neither the players or crowd cared about. The excitement lasted one quarter. We barely won the second quarter. It was flat early in. The late crowd at half never came back. The rest started leaving. Its pretty sad when the group in my session start cheering for a third string quarter back on the opposing team, who is having the best day of his life.

As my wife pointed out for what we spent with season tickets, booster fees, brunch dinner etc etc. We could have flown to Seattle seen a great game, and an even greater meal, and really had some fun. We could finish out the season like this win every game take a great run for a Naty, and still wonder why.

The sad thing is most of us would sooner have a great game, and great experience win or lose, than a day like yesterday.

So we are to fire the coach because:

The Griz didn't win by enough points (they did win by 25)

Some fans chose to spend the second half drinking beer (this problem is as old as original sin, not sure what the coach is supposed to do about those fans who don't care enough to actually watch the game)

The game only drew 25,200 (I'm guessing here but I suspect that would rank in the top 10 Wa-Griz crowds all time)

There is actually the potential for a legitimate discussion about the future of the coaching staff, but this ain't it.

They sold 25200 some 1100 fewer than just a few weeks before. People were down to 20.00 and some even trying to give them away ouside. I don'remember the last time that happened for homecoming (nor is it often that homeming isn't against a UNC caliber team so that doesn't) Bandwagon? Not hardly. I've had season tickets since 1978.

I've left a number of games over the year, the last few years is the first time I have ever felt the talent on the field was not being utilized or the leadership unable to bring the best out of the talent. The kids arecdoingvtheir damndest and getting the dirty end of the stick.

Everything going on throughout the program at every level is a matter of assuming that going through the steps will have a great result.. Most of you guys assumed I was referring to the coaches or only the coaches. I wasn't. We have leadership problemes at every level. They are all great guys. Kent Haslam as a leader is a joke. He needs to understand success of the program is far more than great statistics and a TV contract. His boss is failing him just as he is failing his coaches. He is good at making the brown nosers like PR not come up for air, and Mick at making the jock sniffers believe they are on the team.

PR is typical of why things are on the slide. Football is neither complicated to watch or restricted to an elite few with some magical understanding of the game. Whether he likes it or not half the folks at a game never played it unless it was the powder puff game. When things get so piss poor, folks start choosing to be elsewhere, the program will slide. I didn't say a damn thing about coaching beyond the fact, that what used to be the highlite of the fall was yesterday a complete bore. People who care can argue the play calling and relive every moment of the game and pull up trivia from 20 years ago all they want. Thats great. But when the rest who pay the bills for those few lose interest, our football turns into our basketball program, and it will be years to get it back.

 

[monte is a character]

I DVR'd the game. There WERE NOT 2,000 empty seats in the first half. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE. See that's what I have a problem with, not TNT's opinion that the house needs to be cleaned. Even if I 100 percent don't agree with him, that's his opinion and I'm fine with him posting it. What i have a problem with is using lies or false facts to back up an opinion. And in this case, saying "Oh, look at the south endzone after halftime" as a reason to say fan interest is falling is insane. Does TNT or anyone else not think that a large number of Egrizzers haven't been attending Griz games for a long, long time? The stadium IS ALWAYS 3/4 EMPTY IN THE THIRD QUARTER. ALWAYS. It's been that way since Wash-Griz opened, and the opponent has nothing to do with it. I have a few panoramic shots of what many people called the "greatest game in Wash-Griz history", the 2009 Appy game. The stadium was 3/4 empty when Chase Reynolds scored a go-ahead touchdown on the opening drive of the third quarter. I was there, but many, many, many Griz fans weren't. Just the way it's always been.

Yes, a lot of people simply didn't come back yesterday because it was a boring blowout, but that also is not an indicator of ANYTHING negative. That's happened many times too.

Bottom line, many of you who think Delaney should have been fired this morning, have a lot of stats and and whatever else to back it up. But third-quarter attendance is simply NOT ONE OF THEM.

Then you either can't count, or are in total denial. The entire section under the Griz screen had no more than 100 fans, and it seats about 800 fans. There were empty seats in abundance scattered throughout the stadium. The area on the west side where opposing fans sit had at least 200 empty seats. These were in the first quarter, NOT after halftime as you would have us believe. Several groups of fans sitting with me in the golden Grizzly section commented on the huge number of empty seats. Before the game, I have never seen so many people wanting to sell their tickets.

Why don't you tell us there is no longer a waiting list to buy season tickets, for the first time in 25 years? The sizzle for Grizzly football is at its nadir in the past three decades. You can try and couch it, deny it, or anything you wish. But the many fans that I socialize with who are long time supporters agree with me. I am not being negative. I am stating what me and many others who donate lots of money to this program are feeling about now.

 

[George Ferguson]

Sorry Monte, I saw what I saw, not in denial. I said, I have no problem with you guys stating your opinions on firing a coach mid-season, the morning after a victory, but attendance just isn't a valid one. Fine, so fans left, fans didn't go inside whatever. The tickets STILL GOT SOLD!. I never said anything about a waiting list, but there just over 18,000 SEASON TICKETS purchased for the 2014 season. That's almost Bobcat Stadium's capacity, and on top of that, in a season in which the home schedule (not UM's control btw) wasn't too attractive. Let me ask you this Monte, in 2015, even with the graduation of Jordan Johnson, AND coming off say a 9-3 or 8-4 season, AND Delaney back, do you honestly believe that the stadium will look like it did in the third quarter yesterday for home games against NDSU, Cal Poly, Northern Arizona and Eastern Washington? Do you really believe that? I don't, no matter how many of your "longtime friends" say they are losing interest.

Also, I'm just curious, if so many donors are so mad, why, every day, is the new football ops building (which plans call for at least 50 percent being privately funded) becoming closer to being a reality. The amount of donors stepping up to the plate for that building flies in the face of claiming big money donors are pulling back.

 

[mtgrizrule]

As for attendance, I could have attended the game. Due to being away from here for many years, I am no longer a season ticket holder. Could I be? I sure could. To be honest, I can get tickets before games at cost. I chose not to for this game. I felt the match up and inconsistent play calling offensively just did not justify the price of the ticket. I also am getting tired of seeing so many empty seats to start 2nd halves. It is disappointing seeing empty seats to start every 2nd half, and GRIZ game day as more of a social gathering these days.

I also felt I could get a better feel for this team and offensive play calling by seeing everything much easier on tv. I watched that game very intently to evaluate my opinions and evaluation of this offense was fair or not. After watching the game on tv, I feel I was very fair and accurate in my criticism of our offensive coaching. I was pleased they proved to us they can call a great game. I was equally upset they sold themselves and their players short in the 2nd half. I am glad I did not waste that much money for that match up and one side of our coaching staff having mailed the game in at the half.

Speaking of season tickets and coaching, I am more likely to invest in season tickets when this staff sells me and convinces me they can elevate their coaching. Is this a good team? Overall yes. Is it a championship caliber team? Talent wise yes. Offensive coaching and play calling far from it. Give me a coaching staff committed to 100% championship caliber coaching efforts, then I will invest again in season tickets. Right now, they are not doing things contending level staffs do. Can they be that kind of staff? I believe they can be. Will they do it? Well, they have yet to prove it game in, game out since Delaney took over.

This staff needs to give every game 100% for 4 quarters. They expect their players to do it. Why hasn't the staff consistently given 100% for full games? It will nice to see how good this team really can be, when and if the staff buys into that too. Defensive staff has gotten this, and continue to improve. Offensive play callers are holding this team back, and in turn holding back my investing more into this program. Until I see consistent improvement in offensive play calling, I will continue to hold back in being a season ticket holder.

 

[Paytonlives]

To post that the coaches should be let go when the team is 3-2 and ranked in the top ten is as useless as tits on a bull.

I might be one of the few on EGriz that ACTUALLY knows what its like to see a crappy UM football team. Yep I was there during the 3-8 years and spent many second half pretty much alone in a section... not because everyone left during a laugher, but because NO ONE was there to begin with. Hard to believe TNT that in those days 3000 fans was a GREAT gate.

TNT and others...
- No one is making you pay to come to the stadium.
- No one is making you buy the shirts etc.
- No one is making you watch on TV.
- No one will even care if your not at the game.
- If it so bad give your tickets to someone that will love the experience.

In Short - No one is making you be a Griz fan

I have coached and been around athletics for over 35 years and we should all be very appreciative of what UM football has done in the last quarter century.

I bet there is only a few teams at ANY level that would not change their level of success for UM's. Maybe the Alabama's and Florida State's would, But honestly who else wouldn't change W/L records?

BTW, you do realize that almost every team schedules a weak opponent as "homecoming"... It would be really embarrassing to lose to say lose by 20 to EWU with all the alumni were at the game. On yes I know, lets schedule Washington, BSU, WSU,Oregon to come to Missoula for homecoming. But there is a major problem, NONE of those teams will play any FCS team on the road.

If you want better games, be prepared for what you are asking. I for one would love to see UM move up to a better conference, but I am a realist and understand that there will be some lean years when that happens.

I am also sure that TNT wont be a part of the UM fan base then, he has "Band wagon" written all over his comments.

 

[GrizLA]

TNT is entitled to his opinion. Like you, I remember a game, years ago, where, had the Griz not scored they might have tied a record for futility. But, much to the chagrin of the very few students or others in the old Dornblaser, they did, and were roundly booed by the students...Those were the days when UM was the bottom of the Skyline Conference. I've seen it go to where it is today. But, because someone feels differently from you, does not make them a "bad" fan. Nor does it warrant personal attacks. This board shows more aggression than some teams I have seen....

 

[George Ferguson]

I don't think Payton's point was "bad fan vs good fan" his point is NO ONE IS FORCED TO BE A GRIZ fan. I've posted the same thing many many times. When fans go over the line of what they're actually entitled to, I think it's worth reminding them that they are indeed NOT entitled to what they think they are.

I'm sorry, but NOWHERE on a season ticket does it say the Griz will won that game, will play a certain style, will hire a certain coach, will play more Montana-born kids over California or Washington-born kids, will go for it on 4th down, will have a kicker who can make 60 yard boots with regularity, will ever beat the Cats again, will have Monte jump in with the Skydivers, will play Alpha's favorite songs, and the list of what the UM DOES NOT PROMISE YOU OR OWE YOU due to the price of admission goes on and on. I know this because I am looking at a season ticket right now, and I don't see any of the things, or ANY promises for that matter.

I also did not have anyone show up at my doorstep and strong-arm me into purchasing this season ticket. It was a choice and the choice was mine and mine alone. I made that choice knowing full well I have ZERO say, input or control over matters that pertain to Grizzly football inside the white lines, at practice, in meeting rooms, in the AD's office and so on.

Point is, we CHOOSE TO BE FANS, we don't HAVE TO BE. We CHOOSE to spend out money on Griz football, WE DO NOT HAVE TO. And if WE as fans DON'T LIKE Grizzly football anymore, WE don;t have to be fans anymore. It's that simple. For me, the choice is actually really simple, I will CHOOSE to be a Griz fan until I'm dead in the ground. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I won't think there's anything wrong with Monte or TNT or AG1 or Growler for deciding NOT to be Griz fans anymore either.

 

[TxGriz]

Alabama has to play Vanderbilt & Kentucky. I don't get it. The team probably appreciates a week off with a lighter opponent to get some of the seconds and thirds some reps.

Griz football is Griz football. Some games are better than others, but it's like pizza - I don't think I've ever had a bad one. I saw on the telecast of the SD game there was record attendance of 26,000, so 4,000 bandwagon fans stayed home.

I am disappointed in our fan base because they disrespect the effort of any opponent who comes to play. I think Sunday football may be more to tnt's liking.

 

[PlayerRep]

I DVR'd the game. There WERE NOT 2,000 empty seats in the first half. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE. See that's what I have a problem with, not TNT's opinion that the house needs to be cleaned. Even if I 100 percent don't agree with him, that's his opinion and I'm fine with him posting it. What i have a problem with is using lies or false facts to back up an opinion. And in this case, saying "Oh, look at the south endzone after halftime" as a reason to say fan interest is falling is insane. Does TNT or anyone else not think that a large number of Egrizzers haven't been attending Griz games for a long, long time? The stadium IS ALWAYS 3/4 EMPTY IN THE THIRD QUARTER. ALWAYS. It's been that way since Wash-Griz opened, and the opponent has nothing to do with it. I have a few panoramic shots of what many people called the "greatest game in Wash-Griz history", the 2009 Appy game. The stadium was 3/4 empty when Chase Reynolds scored a go-ahead touchdown on the opening drive of the third quarter. I was there, but many, many, many Griz fans weren't. Just the way it's always been.

Yes, a lot of people simply didn't come back yesterday because it was a boring blowout, but that also is not an indicator of ANYTHING negative. That's happened many times too.

Bottom line, many of you who think Delaney should have been fired this morning, have a lot of stats and and whatever else to back it up. But third-quarter attendance is simply NOT ONE OF THEM.

Then you either can't count, or are in total denial. The entire section under the Griz screen had no more than 100 fans, and it seats about 800 fans. There were empty seats in abundance scattered throughout the stadium. The area on the west side where opposing fans sit had at least 200 empty seats. These were in the first quarter, NOT after halftime as you would have us believe. Several groups of fans sitting with me in the golden Grizzly section commented on the huge number of empty seats. Before the game, I have never seen so many people wanting to sell their tickets.

Why don't you tell us there is no longer a waiting list to buy season tickets, for the first time in 25 years? The sizzle for Grizzly football is at its nadir in the past three decades. You can try and couch it, deny it, or anything you wish. But the many fans that I socialize with who are long time supporters agree with me. I am not being negative. I am stating what me and many others who donate lots of money to this program are feeling about now.

Nope, people like you, Growler (know him, Monte; ha), and TNT are what is wrong with Griz football. Glaring examples of how prolonged success can breed spoiled, and unsupportive fans. I doubt that you donate anything to the program. If/when athletic department announces a specific plan for a weight/locker room complex, it will become clear which one of us played a larger role in that.

 

[PlayerRep]

Hav, I thought the plan was to raise all $14 million for the new weight/locker room project from private donors.

 

[tnt]

I don't think Payton's point was "bad fan vs good fan" his point is NO ONE IS FORCED TO BE A GRIZ fan. I've posted the same thing many many times. When fans go over the line of what they're actually entitled to, I think it's worth reminding them that they are indeed NOT entitled to what they think they are.

I'm sorry, but NOWHERE on a season ticket does it say the Griz will won that game, will play a certain style, will hire a certain coach, will play more Montana-born kids over California or Washington-born kids, will go for it on 4th down, will have a kicker who can make 60 yard boots with regularity, will ever beat the Cats again, will have Monte jump in with the Skydivers, will play Alpha's favorite songs, and the list of what the UM DOES NOT PROMISE YOU OR OWE YOU due to the price of admission goes on and on. I know this because I am looking at a season ticket right now, and I don't see any of the things, or ANY promises for that matter.

I also did not have anyone show up at my doorstep and strong-arm me into purchasing this season ticket. It was a choice and the choice was mine and mine alone. I made that choice knowing full well I have ZERO say, input or control over matters that pertain to Grizzly football inside the white lines, at practice, in meeting rooms, in the AD's office and so on.

Point is, we CHOOSE TO BE FANS, we don't HAVE TO BE. We CHOOSE to spend out money on Griz football, WE DO NOT HAVE TO. And if WE as fans DON'T LIKE Grizzly football anymore, WE don;t have to be fans anymore. It's that simple. For me, the choice is actually really simple, I will CHOOSE to be a Griz fan until I'm dead in the ground. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I won't think there's anything wrong with Monte or TNT or AG1 or Growler for deciding NOT to be Griz fans anymore either.

Thats exactly right. And when what is being delivered is a less desirable product and you start losing fans changes need to be made. Whether its a change in coaching, ADs office, or main hall, its irrelevent so long as the changes are made.

If you honestly believe that the haslam - delaney - engstrom combination is what will bring the program forward and has no part in large numbers of fans being very unhappy go for it. If you are so incredibly stupid to believe that people quit liking and following their team or continue to send in their checks when they are unhappy go for that to. I was fan through carlson, gritted my teeth through Hauck, and thrilled when Don Read, despite his defection to NAU was brought in to restore the integrity of the AD office.

Yeah there is no gurantee printed on the ticket, but that doesn't mean you don't have expectations or are less of a fan when you let folks know you are unhappy.

 

[PlayerRep]

I don't think Payton's point was "bad fan vs good fan" his point is NO ONE IS FORCED TO BE A GRIZ fan. I've posted the same thing many many times. When fans go over the line of what they're actually entitled to, I think it's worth reminding them that they are indeed NOT entitled to what they think they are.

I'm sorry, but NOWHERE on a season ticket does it say the Griz will won that game, will play a certain style, will hire a certain coach, will play more Montana-born kids over California or Washington-born kids, will go for it on 4th down, will have a kicker who can make 60 yard boots with regularity, will ever beat the Cats again, will have Monte jump in with the Skydivers, will play Alpha's favorite songs, and the list of what the UM DOES NOT PROMISE YOU OR OWE YOU due to the price of admission goes on and on. I know this because I am looking at a season ticket right now, and I don't see any of the things, or ANY promises for that matter.

I also did not have anyone show up at my doorstep and strong-arm me into purchasing this season ticket. It was a choice and the choice was mine and mine alone. I made that choice knowing full well I have ZERO say, input or control over matters that pertain to Grizzly football inside the white lines, at practice, in meeting rooms, in the AD's office and so on.

Point is, we CHOOSE TO BE FANS, we don't HAVE TO BE. We CHOOSE to spend out money on Griz football, WE DO NOT HAVE TO. And if WE as fans DON'T LIKE Grizzly football anymore, WE don;t have to be fans anymore. It's that simple. For me, the choice is actually really simple, I will CHOOSE to be a Griz fan until I'm dead in the ground. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I won't think there's anything wrong with Monte or TNT or AG1 or Growler for deciding NOT to be Griz fans anymore either.

Thats exactly right. And when what is being delivered is a less desirable product and you start losing fans changes need to be made. Whether its a change in coaching, ADs office, or main hall, its irrelevent so long as the changes are made.

If you honestly believe that the haslam - delaney - engstrom combination is what will bring the program forward and has no part in large numbers of fans being very unhappy go for it. If you are so incredibly stupid to believe that people quit liking and following their team or continue to send in their checks when they are unhappy go for that to. I was fan through carlson, gritted my teeth through Hauck, and thrilled when Don Read, despite his defection to NAU was brought in to restore the integrity of the AD office.

Yeah there is no gurantee printed on the ticket, but that doesn't mean you don't have expectations or are less of a fan when you let folks know you are unhappy.

Constant complaining, combined with some of the lies you tell, hurts the program much more than what's you've been complaining about today.