It is a Coaching Problem....

[PlayerRep]

UM is 6-2 and ranked no. 12 in the nation. Maybe some of you need to get realistic about your expectations. My guess is that most of you, at the beginning of the season, would have been very happy to by 6-2 at this point of the season.

I hear ya, it just seems there are some really good things that this team CAN do. I think we have the potential/players to be much better this year. Some really really good things have happened on both sides of this team and then we stumble. Not going to claim I know what the answer is so I won't point fingers. I just think these kids are better than what has happened this season so far.

I pretty much agree.

 

[bigkid]

I don't know if the team is getting any better but I do know that opposing defensive coordinators know that Delaney and co are going to run, run, run. As the season progresses it gets easier and easier to defend. This coaching staff has the knowledge and they have the players to make some noise these next 4 weeks. It's time to show it and it starts this weekend in Sacramento. This IMO is a must win. We win this one we will be 9-2 going into bozo. Mick Delaney has pressed the team needs to finish the drill....well Mick your staff needs to finish the season. Get after it.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Quit trying to make JJ a Pro-set QB. He isn't 6'3" with a rocket arm. Get him out in space and really good things will happen. You don't need to revert to spread option, just introduce some of the elements. Doing that will then open running lanes. Failing that, at least try "pass first" to start the game. I am willing to bet that everything that follows will work better.

 

[Tokyogriz]

Coaches are forcing a square into a round hole and keep trying to jam it in no matter what happens....

Glad some of you are so pleased with the performance this year. It is better than last year, and we should have a winning season. That's about all you can claim.

Wasted talent. Confused coaching. And how will our recruiting be in the next few years with this staff? That is a real issue IMO.

 

[zirge]

Quit trying to make JJ a Pro-set QB. He isn't 6'3" with a rocket arm. Get him out in space and really good things will happen. You don't need to revert to spread option, just introduce some of the elements. Doing that will then open running lanes. Failing that, at least try "pass first" to start the game. I am willing to bet that everything that follows will work better.

"try "pass first" to start the game"
you mean like ew did on first down throughout the game.....that would be a coaching thing..but then again we were not out coached so it probably is not a coaching thing, its a player thing.

btw grizzlymoose i do agree with your discussion and take on what coaches bring to the players and the game.

look the point is it takes both facets of the game (players and coaches) to pull off a sound performance.....we simply are not using both of these consistently throughout each and every game or quarter like what i saw in saturday's game by our opponent.
you may say that we came within 5 pts......whooooooo, one factor that is not being considered on this board is that this game was played in Washington Grizzly Stadium.
land of the griz.....home of the winners....kick ass and take wins

Does not everyone know what that means!

It should not mean catch-up football by the griz...... example...look what we did in the playoffs in 2011....we beat Northern Iowa 48-10 one of the best games i saw in WGS

MISSOULA, Mont. -- Jordan Johnson put on a show Friday night in leading Montana to a 48-10 victory over Northern Iowa in the Football Championship Subdivision quarterfinals. And his coach wasn't the least bit surprised.

the stadium makes a big difference.....is it a 7pt...14pt? the advantage is still there just not as consistently as years past. cannot count on it as before, not quite as reliable.

this is what it means to play here....where is our confidence? coaches...anyone?

can't you see that i want this as much as the next griz fan... soooooo lets get our griz-o-matic back and win the next 4 games...then i will shut up

 

[gotgame75]

Coaches are forcing a square into a round hole and keep trying to jam it in no matter what happens....

Glad some of you are so pleased with the performance this year. It is better than last year, and we should have a winning season. That's about all you can claim.

Wasted talent. Confused coaching. And how will our recruiting be in the next few years with this staff? That is a real issue IMO.

+1000000000

Anyone who thinks Delaney is the answer is delusional. He may be a great position coach and even a great recruiter, but he has yet to prove he is even an above-average head coach. I firmly believe this team has the talent to be in the top 5. I think the talent on this team has made up for marginal coaching. Our OL was supposed to be one of the most imposing groups in the country, yet have had trouble with the blitz at times and haven't been able to consistently open up holes in the running game. While this isn't entirely on the coaches, it is definitely more a matter of failed scheme and preparedness than it is an overestimation of our talent. Early in the season, Hynson's game plans looked flawless, yet the last 3 or 4 weeks, there has been a complete inability to adapt to the opposition. Is this a matter of Hynson's relative inexperience or is he being overridden? Regardless, it is a coaching issue. Great coaches can adapt and put their team in a position to succeed while maximizing the talent on the field. Can anyone legitimately argue this is the situation with our current staff? I doubt it...

 

[WaGriz4life]

Eastern has better players than us. They have a proven head coach and coaching staff. Their QB is a dominant game changer who can't be stopped or contained and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Some of you idiots act like we are so far superior to Eastern in talent and only our terrible coaching stops us from winning every single game convincingly. Others acknowledge the above points to be true and STILL think we should somehow win convincingly.

I live in reality where we are a top 15 team and lost to the number 3 team in the country by 4 points. I think our coaching can improve but to act like we should have easily beaten that team is ubsurd.

 

[spsyk]

The coaching problem was created by a university president problem, both over their heads.

 

[George Ferguson]

wagriz4life, that's a GREAT POST!!!! Well said. I didn't like Vernon Adams antics on the field either, I don't like Eastern going way back, but godamn, give them some credit. They are right where they should be. The third-best team in the country behind NDSU and Sammy. I picked the Griz to lose this game back in August, as I did NAU. I picked the Griz to go 9-3. They're on track for it.

I wouldn't say however, Eastern is more talented than UM or Montana State across the board, BUT, the Eagles have FAR AND AWAY the best QB in the Big Sky, and FAR AND AWAY the best WR in the Big Sky. I know how badly some MSU fans think it's McGhee and Bleskin, and how badly some Griz fans think it's JJ and Ellis, but it's not. Adams and Kupp are the best QB/WR combo in the Big Sky and it makes them very, very explosive.

 

[zirge]

Eastern has better players than us. They have a proven head coach and coaching staff. Their QB is a dominant game changer who can't be stopped or contained and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Some of you idiots act like we are so far superior to Eastern in talent and only our terrible coaching stops us from winning every single game convincingly. Others acknowledge the above points to be true and STILL think we should somehow win convincingly.

I live in reality where we are a top 15 team and lost to the number 3 team in the country by 4 points. I think our coaching can improve but to act like we should have easily beaten that team is ubsurd.

you are missing the point...i believe some of us are talking about fundamentals, play calling, being prepared to play the opposition with consist knowledge, focus and strenghts.....using all the tools in the shed...we seem to be missing a few tools...it is not just about winning it is about playing up to your potential....isn't that what a good coach did for you when you were playing sports in grammar, high school and college?

 

[griz5700]

Eastern has better players than us. They have a proven head coach and coaching staff. Their QB is a dominant game changer who can't be stopped or contained and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Some of you idiots act like we are so far superior to Eastern in talent and only our terrible coaching stops us from winning every single game convincingly. Others acknowledge the above points to be true and STILL think we should somehow win convincingly.

I live in reality where we are a top 15 team and lost to the number 3 team in the country by 4 points. I think our coaching can improve but to act like we should have easily beaten that team is ubsurd.

Get outta here, you live in reality?

No doubt Eastern has crazy talent on offense. Which is a credit to their coaching staff. UM's offense is talented, but we'll never see it's true potential.

If Eastern switched from their current offense to a more traditional pro-style offense would Adams and their surrounding talent look the same? Impossible to know, but that's what UM's offensive talent is facing - recruited for and succeeded in a spread/zone-read offense then forced to run Mick's offense.

It was a selfish, arrogant move by Delaney. He could have hired a coordinator that allowed Johnson and this offense to continue to grow but he chose to do it his way. Not do what is best to optimize our current talent.
If he doesn't adjust and make the proper changes over the next 4 weeks he's toast. I see no reason to believe he and this staff are capable or willing to make these changes. Wish I could share others optimism but I think this program takes a nosedive if he's given an extension.

 

[rimrockgriz]

Eastern has better players than us. They have a proven head coach and coaching staff. Their QB is a dominant game changer who can't be stopped or contained and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Some of you idiots act like we are so far superior to Eastern in talent and only our terrible coaching stops us from winning every single game convincingly. Others acknowledge the above points to be true and STILL think we should somehow win convincingly.

I live in reality where we are a top 15 team and lost to the number 3 team in the country by 4 points. I think our coaching can improve but to act like we should have easily beaten that team is ubsurd.

Get outta here, you live in reality?

No doubt Eastern has crazy talent on offense. Which is a credit to their coaching staff. UM's offense is talented, but we'll never see it's true potential.

If Eastern switched from their current offense to a more traditional pro-style offense would Adams and their surrounding talent look the same? Impossible to know, but that's what UM's offensive talent is facing - recruited for and succeeded in a spread/zone-read offense then forced to run Mick's offense.

It was a selfish, arrogant move by Delaney. He could have hired a coordinator that allowed Johnson and this offense to continue to grow but he chose to do it his way. Not do what is best to optimize our current talent.
If he doesn't adjust and make the proper changes over the next 4 weeks he's toast. I see no reason to believe he and this staff are capable or willing to make these changes. Wish I could share others optimism but I think this program takes a nosedive if he's given an extension.

This post is spot on. "Not a very good shower if your clothes are still on." We have a pile of talent...it will overcome some of the stupidity. Full potential...no. :egriz:

 

[PlayerRep]

Who, besides perhaps several qb's, was recruited for the spread/read-zone offense?

Who is not suited for playing in the current offense?

 

[griz5700]

Who, besides perhaps several qb's, was recruited for the spread/read-zone offense?

Who is not suited for playing in the current offense?

Besides that Jordan Johnson guy... Guys like Canada, Naccarato, Walcott, Saylor, Warren come to mind. I think you could look to the O-line as well - big, tall, athletic guys who excel in a zone scheme where they can get out in open space and create lanes for our smaller, quick backs.

 

[JayLarson]

Havgrizfan, you think that EWU has hands down the best WR in the Big Sky??? Do you not watch Ellis Henderson play, I know Bleskin at MSU is not the most flashy guy, but he is pretty good, #1 for Portland St is damn good, and Hardin for UND is not too shabby either. I just don't get how you say EWU has the best receiver.

 

[tnt]

Get outta here, you live in reality?

No doubt Eastern has crazy talent on offense. Which is a credit to their coaching staff. UM's offense is talented, but we'll never see it's true potential.

If Eastern switched from their current offense to a more traditional pro-style offense would Adams and their surrounding talent look the same? Impossible to know, but that's what UM's offensive talent is facing - recruited for and succeeded in a spread/zone-read offense then forced to run Mick's offense.

It was a selfish, arrogant move by Delaney. He could have hired a coordinator that allowed Johnson and this offense to continue to grow but he chose to do it his way. Not do what is best to optimize our current talent.
If he doesn't adjust and make the proper changes over the next 4 weeks he's toast. I see no reason to believe he and this staff are capable or willing to make these changes. Wish I could share others optimism but I think this program takes a nosedive if he's given an extension.

Lets get into a little bit of Reality okay?? I know time gets away from some. But Delaney Named his new offensive coordinators in December 2012. There was no JJ in 2012 (and frankly didn't look like there would be) All of his existing QB's are suited for the "new" offense which by the way aren't developed over a burger and beer in the Mo club.

Oh and one other thing The NCAA rulings were absent Probably the single most intelligent thing he did was to be Unselfish in an attempt to lure quality talent to a program that may or may not have had a future (for several years) Instead he took his existing staff and with a very uncertain future recruited on e of the best classes in years, snagged some of the best drop down talent around (fitted to the known offensive scheme at the time)

Then he and that staff (who could have should have bailed) designed an offense that was not only workable now, but one that didn't so strongly tie us into a particular scheme that the new guy (whether it was next year or 2 more after that) had something he could tweak change or adapt to his own style without having to start over insuring a strong future for the PROGRAM. (He then sold it to his players including JJ and more importantly to a group of assistant coaches considered to be the real up and comers)

Selfish not optimize JJ in his hiring? Thats plum stupid. Whether you played the game or not, one thing you don't recognize is unselfish and great management skills. This year is far from over, we are barely half way through our conference schedule. We have played in the Finals with a worse record than we have now. Lets see where it goes at the end of the season.

 

[PlayerRep]

Who, besides perhaps several qb's, was recruited for the spread/read-zone offense?

Who is not suited for playing in the current offense?

Besides that Jordan Johnson guy... Guys like Canada, Naccarato, Walcott, Saylor, Warren come to mind. I think you could look to the O-line as well - big, tall, athletic guys who excel in a zone scheme where they can get out in open space and create lanes for our smaller, quick backs.

I don't agree on any of the receivers you mentioned. They are perfectly fine for the current offense. They are receivers. They are suited for any offense that passes. Saylor is big; he's not a spread guy. Warren was recruited by Hauck, so he certainly wasn't recruited for the spread. A big, tall o-line is more suited for the current offense than the spread. The o-line has said they prefer the new offense, and the pound it mentionality.

 

[ranco]

they may prefer it, but they just can't do it.

 

[PlayerRep]

they may prefer it, but they just can't do it.

Were they doing it last year in the spread?

The o-line has done fairly well, or very well, in most games. Just not so well in some games. Certainly not NAU. Not at several other times too.

 

[uofmman1122]

they may prefer it, but they just can't do it.

Were they doing it last year in the spread?

The o-line has done fairly well, or very well, in most games. Just not so well in some games. Certainly not NAU. Not at several other times too.

They've gone completely missing every time we've played a good team.

NAU, Poly and EWU will not be the best defenses we'll see if we make the playoffs, and the O-Line has looked objectively terrible against all three.

I said before this season that the offense would be a square peg into a round hole, and against every decent team this year, that's looked to be true.

And in the last two games when we were down, we abandoned wannabe bobby ball, and started moving the ball and scoring. It's not a coincidence.