ARGHHHHH! I think your were watching a different game! I think you were watching the pickup game in the next gym over. I saw it first hand also.........Don't try to turn the tables on us. The fact of the matter is we beat you guys very badly and your team couldn't take the heat. It's okay to try to blame or camo the fact with refs and cheap shots and we know you guys have alot of pride but it was let down last night and the true Pride showed BENGAL PRIDE!
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Bengal00 said:
Haha. You're funny. :laugh:
Chris, can we start a kiddie forum for posters like these?
Argh never said anything about the refs. You're trying to argue against something that was never even said.
And I'll say it for the last friggin' time! Nobody is saying that ISU didn't play the pants off of the Griz in the 2nd half. Is it through all of your thick skulls yet?
(And I'll say it for the last friggin' time![/b] Nobody is saying that ISU didn't play the pants off of the Griz in the 2nd half. Is it through all of your thick skulls yet?)Quote by gym rat That sounded good, say it again for me. It is almost breaking through my thick skull! We all know what we are saying. Sports brings out the best in all of us. Hope you guys have a good time watching the Super Bowl! Have a good day! GO BENGALS!
I watched the game and thought things went down hill after the "incident" and isu pulled away partly from great play and partly from the griz not playing D and one and outs on the offensive end.
kudos to Isu for keeping the mo rolling and putting the griz away!
HOWEVER one thing is for sure if ARGH comes on here and says that ISU was cheapshotting all night long I have to beleive him.
Not because I know him but because he is one of the most unbiased posters ever! This guy/gal even has made me wonder if he really roots for the griz with some of his posts (not negative just not a sugar coater by any means) on the old ugmb.
Lastly the refs did not cost the griz the game but they did call alot of fouls in the second half for things like breathing. In defense of the refs alot of this was done to prevent anymore blood letting.
I posted some negative things right after the game which I regret the griz need to forget this game and move on it was a bad week.
Meanwhile I will be doing the same with my team hot start and then 2 straight losses need to get things going before our tournament.
kudos to Isu for keeping the mo rolling and putting the griz away!
HOWEVER one thing is for sure if ARGH comes on here and says that ISU was cheapshotting all night long I have to beleive him.
Not because I know him but because he is one of the most unbiased posters ever! This guy/gal even has made me wonder if he really roots for the griz with some of his posts (not negative just not a sugar coater by any means) on the old ugmb.
Lastly the refs did not cost the griz the game but they did call alot of fouls in the second half for things like breathing. In defense of the refs alot of this was done to prevent anymore blood letting.
I posted some negative things right after the game which I regret the griz need to forget this game and move on it was a bad week.
Meanwhile I will be doing the same with my team hot start and then 2 straight losses need to get things going before our tournament.
I'm tired of reading it guys...yes I remember Atari Callen hitting the EWU player late...yes I remember some personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct calls against the Bengals. And yes, some players have have off the field programs...but if I chose...I could slander the Griz, slander the Bobcats, and slander the rest of the BSC for plenty of questionalble things.
AND know this, I also remember GRIZ fans pelting ISU players and coaches with potatoes. I also remember a personal foul on a QB that may have costs the GRIZ a national championship. But you know what...the Griz have been the class of the BSC for as long as I remember...and those few instances don't tarnish that. However, the BS that some of you fans sling is abolutely sickening.
Please think about this...99.9% of the KIDS in every program are good people...as are 99.99% of the coaches and fans. It is amazing to me what a loss will make people say.
AND know this, I also remember GRIZ fans pelting ISU players and coaches with potatoes. I also remember a personal foul on a QB that may have costs the GRIZ a national championship. But you know what...the Griz have been the class of the BSC for as long as I remember...and those few instances don't tarnish that. However, the BS that some of you fans sling is abolutely sickening.
Please think about this...99.9% of the KIDS in every program are good people...as are 99.99% of the coaches and fans. It is amazing to me what a loss will make people say.
Bengal fans please remeber that 99% of griz fans harbour no hard feelings against ISU fans. Trust me the last thing that any fan can do is cast stones. We had our own little incident a year or two ago between the b-ball team and football team, thank god it did not get out of hand. You are also correct that all big sky schools have had some sort of "blackeye" at one time or another in recent history. Also remeber that even if some fans think certain players are "thugs" we know that the fans of rival schools are alot like us.
Happy super bowl day!!!
Happy super bowl day!!!
Seven
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As a former UM grad, but a person who must remain unbiased throughout the game for their job, and a person who was there, I really find it humorous to read everyone's interpretation of what happened.
First off, the incident.
Was it a hard foul? Yes, we all agree.
Was there malicious intent? I doubt it, but there was definitely some frustration there after watching Criswell go down and seeing Kinghorn fly by toward the basket. Dlouhy reached out to prevent the layup and grabbed the jersey. It's not as if Dlouhy has a reputation for being a dirty player.
Did Kinghorn, the ISU players and the ISU fans have a right to be pissed? Of course, one of your starters goes down and is knocked out cold under questionable circumstances, you get pissed. I don't care if your from Pocatello, Missoula, Bozeman, Boise, Havre or LA. You protect your own. If that play happens to Criswell in Missoula, I expect and surely hope, the Griz faithful would be spitting venom toward all things ISU.
Was Kinghorn right to charge UM's bench? Probably not, but your first reaction is always to be angry. It's the law of competitive sports, any person who is worth their competitive salt would take exception to a play like that happening to them. Realistically, Logan did appear to be out of it. After being restrained by teammates, Slim Millien was one of them, Kinghorn staggered like a punch-drunk boxer across half-court where he passed out cold, which was actually a scary moment.
If you look at the situation, both Logan and Matt seem kind of foreign to mix ups like this. Krsyko made a point to say that fighting and physical play is not a part of Matt's nature in the press conference, he almost sounded incredulous about it. Having interviewed Logan on several occasions, he's a competitor like the rest, but this is a guy, who uses the words like Jeez to Heck and gosh darn it, describing a loss. He's a pretty-straight laced Mormon kid.
Yes, the situation benefitted ISU, as Krsyko said after the game, "there' s no way it can help the road team."
I didn't think the fans were any more abusive to UM players than UM fans would be to ISU players in reversed circumstances. I don't know what people think they hear at Wash-Griz or Dahlberg when it comes to tormenting opposing players, but I assure you it's not sweet sonnets and pretty poetry.
There was a tense attitudge between the two teams before the game started, remember both teams had frustrating losses on Thursday and a lot riding on this game, I don't think there were going to pregame or postgame hugs even without the incident occurring.
First off, the incident.
Was it a hard foul? Yes, we all agree.
Was there malicious intent? I doubt it, but there was definitely some frustration there after watching Criswell go down and seeing Kinghorn fly by toward the basket. Dlouhy reached out to prevent the layup and grabbed the jersey. It's not as if Dlouhy has a reputation for being a dirty player.
Did Kinghorn, the ISU players and the ISU fans have a right to be pissed? Of course, one of your starters goes down and is knocked out cold under questionable circumstances, you get pissed. I don't care if your from Pocatello, Missoula, Bozeman, Boise, Havre or LA. You protect your own. If that play happens to Criswell in Missoula, I expect and surely hope, the Griz faithful would be spitting venom toward all things ISU.
Was Kinghorn right to charge UM's bench? Probably not, but your first reaction is always to be angry. It's the law of competitive sports, any person who is worth their competitive salt would take exception to a play like that happening to them. Realistically, Logan did appear to be out of it. After being restrained by teammates, Slim Millien was one of them, Kinghorn staggered like a punch-drunk boxer across half-court where he passed out cold, which was actually a scary moment.
If you look at the situation, both Logan and Matt seem kind of foreign to mix ups like this. Krsyko made a point to say that fighting and physical play is not a part of Matt's nature in the press conference, he almost sounded incredulous about it. Having interviewed Logan on several occasions, he's a competitor like the rest, but this is a guy, who uses the words like Jeez to Heck and gosh darn it, describing a loss. He's a pretty-straight laced Mormon kid.
Yes, the situation benefitted ISU, as Krsyko said after the game, "there' s no way it can help the road team."
I didn't think the fans were any more abusive to UM players than UM fans would be to ISU players in reversed circumstances. I don't know what people think they hear at Wash-Griz or Dahlberg when it comes to tormenting opposing players, but I assure you it's not sweet sonnets and pretty poetry.
There was a tense attitudge between the two teams before the game started, remember both teams had frustrating losses on Thursday and a lot riding on this game, I don't think there were going to pregame or postgame hugs even without the incident occurring.
Seven
Well-known member
Sorry, I had to break up the small novella.
As for the "dirty" play of Millien. Yes, there were two incidents with Criswell and Martin and both occurred when they were on the floor.
It's almost cliche to seem scuffles break out in that situation, watch any college or NBA game, two guys hit the floor together and there is always a mild confrontation.
Now, Millien is no saint, or angel. He was talking and delivering a few cheap shots, but believe me as someone, who has watched and played pick-up with Criswell, he gives as good as he gets. That's what people love about the gritty, undersized Eastern Montana kid, he simply doesn't back down from anybody or any situation. He and Millien got tangled up, Slim gave him a shove, Kevin delivered a forearm to the chest. It's not thuggery, it's tough competitive basketball in an already tense and charged situation.
The whole problem with that skirmish was that Criswell got fouled and no call was made.
The incident with Martin was less severe, the two players were fighting for a rebound and they both fell to the floor with Millien, as evidenced by the picture landing on Martin. Both players contienud to try and fight for the ball, whether there were punches thrown, I couldn't see. But it started out innocently.
As for the referees in Big Sky Conference, Frontier Conference and refs in general
....Much of the resulting problems in the ISU-UM game could have solved by consistent calls. College basketball has evolved into a physical game, I think it's a reason why Montana is good, look at how much better Strait is because of the added bulk.
However, the game was getting out of hand before the big incident and the Refs did nothing to stop it.
After covering Big Sky, Frontier and High School basketball, my biggest complaint for refs are three things —
1. they want to be part of the show and make the game revolve around them. — You see these guys, they make the controversial call, prance to halfcourt and emphatically make their call — basically the game stops and all eyes are on them, which is what they want. These are the same guys that worry more about whether their shoes have a high polish, their hair is done perfectly and their movements when making calls are tight and refined than if they are making the right call-- just call the damn game, nobody paid to see you ref.
2. some walk out on the floor with a Big sky-sized chip on their shoulder. You can tell which guys those are in the first few minutes, they're confrontational with coaches and players from the opening tip. They act like they're doing everyone a great favor by reffing the games, when they are getting paid for being there.
3. one guy always seems to blow his whistle 85 percent of the time. This is really true in three man crews, it just kills me. There was a ref from Western Montana doing a recent game I covered and of the god-awful 57 fouls called, he whistled at laset 45 of them. While guys are getting gang-beaten in the lane, he's out blowing a handcheck 27 feet from the basket for no apparent reason.
The Big Sky and Frontier are victims of their geographical size. There is no consistency with the refs, particularly from the regions they come from. Ask any coach, it's their biggest complaint. They don't mind having fouls called, but when the intrepation of what is a foul changes from game-to-game it's beyond frustrating
As for the "dirty" play of Millien. Yes, there were two incidents with Criswell and Martin and both occurred when they were on the floor.
It's almost cliche to seem scuffles break out in that situation, watch any college or NBA game, two guys hit the floor together and there is always a mild confrontation.
Now, Millien is no saint, or angel. He was talking and delivering a few cheap shots, but believe me as someone, who has watched and played pick-up with Criswell, he gives as good as he gets. That's what people love about the gritty, undersized Eastern Montana kid, he simply doesn't back down from anybody or any situation. He and Millien got tangled up, Slim gave him a shove, Kevin delivered a forearm to the chest. It's not thuggery, it's tough competitive basketball in an already tense and charged situation.
The whole problem with that skirmish was that Criswell got fouled and no call was made.
The incident with Martin was less severe, the two players were fighting for a rebound and they both fell to the floor with Millien, as evidenced by the picture landing on Martin. Both players contienud to try and fight for the ball, whether there were punches thrown, I couldn't see. But it started out innocently.
As for the referees in Big Sky Conference, Frontier Conference and refs in general
....Much of the resulting problems in the ISU-UM game could have solved by consistent calls. College basketball has evolved into a physical game, I think it's a reason why Montana is good, look at how much better Strait is because of the added bulk.
However, the game was getting out of hand before the big incident and the Refs did nothing to stop it.
After covering Big Sky, Frontier and High School basketball, my biggest complaint for refs are three things —
1. they want to be part of the show and make the game revolve around them. — You see these guys, they make the controversial call, prance to halfcourt and emphatically make their call — basically the game stops and all eyes are on them, which is what they want. These are the same guys that worry more about whether their shoes have a high polish, their hair is done perfectly and their movements when making calls are tight and refined than if they are making the right call-- just call the damn game, nobody paid to see you ref.
2. some walk out on the floor with a Big sky-sized chip on their shoulder. You can tell which guys those are in the first few minutes, they're confrontational with coaches and players from the opening tip. They act like they're doing everyone a great favor by reffing the games, when they are getting paid for being there.
3. one guy always seems to blow his whistle 85 percent of the time. This is really true in three man crews, it just kills me. There was a ref from Western Montana doing a recent game I covered and of the god-awful 57 fouls called, he whistled at laset 45 of them. While guys are getting gang-beaten in the lane, he's out blowing a handcheck 27 feet from the basket for no apparent reason.
The Big Sky and Frontier are victims of their geographical size. There is no consistency with the refs, particularly from the regions they come from. Ask any coach, it's their biggest complaint. They don't mind having fouls called, but when the intrepation of what is a foul changes from game-to-game it's beyond frustrating
Swillbury
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Its funny how all the ISU dudes show up on this board once they beat us and cry about how Montana players are dirty. Every team is dirty, that is CLEARLY evident, but at the end of the day....
Montana 16-5 6-3 2nd place
Idaho State 10-11 2-7 7th place
You beat us, that is great but have fun watching the Big Sky tourney at home.
Sidenote: stop :crybaby:
Montana 16-5 6-3 2nd place
Idaho State 10-11 2-7 7th place
You beat us, that is great but have fun watching the Big Sky tourney at home.
Sidenote: stop :crybaby:
Good stuff Seven, I appreciate the perspective.
ursusmissoulus
Well-known member
I think Pokey smells like fertilizer. But I'm usually there in the Spring. :twocents:
BigBengalBacker
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My thoughts are that Dlouhy is from Idaho, and probably what happened was the also thing he wanted to have happen.
*Now while Criswell was fouled on the far end and it wasn't called, that's still no excuse for the Dlouhy foul. He was rightfully ejected, and he will probably get suspended, if for anything because it could have produced a serious injury to Kinghorn. Now, for anyone saying Kinghorn milked the situation, that's just assinine. There were a ton of scared folks when he passed out again and was not moving on the near sideline.
*For those folks who praised Dlouhy for being a man for apologizing on the egriz board, while that's a nice gesture, it would have been more appropriate for Dlouhy to call Kinghorn or ISU basketball to apologize in person, or apologize where ISU folks are...he doesn't owe Griz fans an apology for trying to win, and in the end, that's what he was trying to do.
*Thuggery. Something Idaho State has been accused of on egriz for YEARS. Everyone will always bring up Mason Kelley's horseshit story about the incident, and everyone assumes it was a basketball team vs. a football team, but in the end, it was about eight people involved, and it was handled by the athletic department that weekend, and nothing else ever happened. Did folks not notice that like half the football team was in the end zone by Montana's bench? That was an unfortunate incident that happened, but it's over with and not representative of the two teams.
However, when folks talk about thuggery, I'm amazed that Montana gets off scot-free. In the game with Idaho State this year in football, Montana got whistled for 15 penalties for 138 yards, including six personal fouls, four for unsportsmanlike conduct or late hits. The only personal foul among ISU's six penalties was pass interference.
Everyone is mentioning Millien cheap-shoting Criswell. Wehn Kevin went for a one-and-one after the incident at the end of the half, he walked past Millien to the free throw and and stuck his finger into Millien's chest and thumped him, and then woffed at him. Oliver went ballistic because an official saw it and directed Criswell to the line without issuing a technical. Criswell had a horrid game (1-for-8) and really resorted to almost being a baby out there at times, which sucks because of all of the players in the league, he's probably my favorite non-Bengal because of the way he plays, but it was him starting in with Millien, not the other way around.
*As for the Millien-Martin foul, no punches or anything were thrown, and yeah, Martin fouled him, but they both fell and were trying to untangle. I thought the refs jumping in like that made it look worse...you could see Millien and Martin were OK with the whole sequence.
Bottom line, ISU won the game, Montana has won more. If the same sequence goes the other way...say Kasey Winters fouls Criswell by holing on to his jersey, Montana-nation would be up in arms over ISU's thuggery. It works both ways.....Montana was the cheapshot artists that day.
Is Montana always that dirty...no. Are they dirty sometimes....hell yes, just like ISU....it was about time someone pushed ISU, and ISU finally pushed back. Montana might have been wise to let the sleeping dog lie.
BBB
*Now while Criswell was fouled on the far end and it wasn't called, that's still no excuse for the Dlouhy foul. He was rightfully ejected, and he will probably get suspended, if for anything because it could have produced a serious injury to Kinghorn. Now, for anyone saying Kinghorn milked the situation, that's just assinine. There were a ton of scared folks when he passed out again and was not moving on the near sideline.
*For those folks who praised Dlouhy for being a man for apologizing on the egriz board, while that's a nice gesture, it would have been more appropriate for Dlouhy to call Kinghorn or ISU basketball to apologize in person, or apologize where ISU folks are...he doesn't owe Griz fans an apology for trying to win, and in the end, that's what he was trying to do.
*Thuggery. Something Idaho State has been accused of on egriz for YEARS. Everyone will always bring up Mason Kelley's horseshit story about the incident, and everyone assumes it was a basketball team vs. a football team, but in the end, it was about eight people involved, and it was handled by the athletic department that weekend, and nothing else ever happened. Did folks not notice that like half the football team was in the end zone by Montana's bench? That was an unfortunate incident that happened, but it's over with and not representative of the two teams.
However, when folks talk about thuggery, I'm amazed that Montana gets off scot-free. In the game with Idaho State this year in football, Montana got whistled for 15 penalties for 138 yards, including six personal fouls, four for unsportsmanlike conduct or late hits. The only personal foul among ISU's six penalties was pass interference.
Everyone is mentioning Millien cheap-shoting Criswell. Wehn Kevin went for a one-and-one after the incident at the end of the half, he walked past Millien to the free throw and and stuck his finger into Millien's chest and thumped him, and then woffed at him. Oliver went ballistic because an official saw it and directed Criswell to the line without issuing a technical. Criswell had a horrid game (1-for-8) and really resorted to almost being a baby out there at times, which sucks because of all of the players in the league, he's probably my favorite non-Bengal because of the way he plays, but it was him starting in with Millien, not the other way around.
*As for the Millien-Martin foul, no punches or anything were thrown, and yeah, Martin fouled him, but they both fell and were trying to untangle. I thought the refs jumping in like that made it look worse...you could see Millien and Martin were OK with the whole sequence.
Bottom line, ISU won the game, Montana has won more. If the same sequence goes the other way...say Kasey Winters fouls Criswell by holing on to his jersey, Montana-nation would be up in arms over ISU's thuggery. It works both ways.....Montana was the cheapshot artists that day.
Is Montana always that dirty...no. Are they dirty sometimes....hell yes, just like ISU....it was about time someone pushed ISU, and ISU finally pushed back. Montana might have been wise to let the sleeping dog lie.
BBB
don't be fabricating, bigbengalboost. criswell went to try to shake millien's hand and defuse the situation when he was going to the free throw line. 'twas right in front of me. slick slim pushed him away. heck, criswell probably couldn't even reach up to li'l slim's chest. if he could even see it in the first place. ain't much there.
further, i agree, from what i saw last year, the um football team played way dirtier than the isu team. in fact, their personal fouls were an embarassment all season. the bengals were saints in comparison.
but on saturday, millien was WAY out of line the whole game with incessant cheapshots. he's lucky he didn't get broken in half, but then again, the only time he picked on somebody 'his size', chavez tossed him to the floor like the stick he is. hey man.
the kinghorn thing was scary... but let's not sidestep the fact that he precipitated the whole incident by cheapshotting criswell in an a way more violent way that simply grabbing his shirt. i don't care how much he says 'shuck' and 'gee' during conversation with a 24 year old reporter, he wasn't playing 'shuck' and 'gee' basketball.
further, i agree, from what i saw last year, the um football team played way dirtier than the isu team. in fact, their personal fouls were an embarassment all season. the bengals were saints in comparison.
but on saturday, millien was WAY out of line the whole game with incessant cheapshots. he's lucky he didn't get broken in half, but then again, the only time he picked on somebody 'his size', chavez tossed him to the floor like the stick he is. hey man.
the kinghorn thing was scary... but let's not sidestep the fact that he precipitated the whole incident by cheapshotting criswell in an a way more violent way that simply grabbing his shirt. i don't care how much he says 'shuck' and 'gee' during conversation with a 24 year old reporter, he wasn't playing 'shuck' and 'gee' basketball.
BigBengalBacker
Active member
OK, after watching the tape....
*There is NO cheapshot on Criswell from Kinghorn.
*It is TOTALLY OBVIOUS on the tape that Dlouhy is concerned after the foul happens, and he goes straight to Kinghorn, and no Bengal or Griz show any anomosity towards each other. Kinghorn gets up (throwing the ISU trainer aside) and in his haste of getting up bumps Martin, for which he gets teched for (which Strait then applauds mockingly). Kinghorn then passes out for about 3-4 minutes.
*The play later in the half where folks say Millien cheapshots Criswell and they both go to the ground is a blocked shot, and blocked pretty clean. In the second half, Millien goes for the same block, and gets Criswell's arm. Nothing he hadn't done the whole game.
*Criswell was ABSOLUTELY not shaking hands or anything with Millien...on tape instead of going to the free throw line, he goes around the lane to the low block to the left of the basket and poke Millien in the chest, and the ref then gets between them. Totally provoked by Criswell.
Again, for the most part, it was a hardfought game, and I think we are taking this worse than the players. Dlouhy should still be suspended if only for the dangerous nature of the foul, but I do believe after watching the tape that he INSTANTLY regretted it. That much is obvous, and that's good, because Dlouhy has always seemed a likeable player.
BBB
*There is NO cheapshot on Criswell from Kinghorn.
*It is TOTALLY OBVIOUS on the tape that Dlouhy is concerned after the foul happens, and he goes straight to Kinghorn, and no Bengal or Griz show any anomosity towards each other. Kinghorn gets up (throwing the ISU trainer aside) and in his haste of getting up bumps Martin, for which he gets teched for (which Strait then applauds mockingly). Kinghorn then passes out for about 3-4 minutes.
*The play later in the half where folks say Millien cheapshots Criswell and they both go to the ground is a blocked shot, and blocked pretty clean. In the second half, Millien goes for the same block, and gets Criswell's arm. Nothing he hadn't done the whole game.
*Criswell was ABSOLUTELY not shaking hands or anything with Millien...on tape instead of going to the free throw line, he goes around the lane to the low block to the left of the basket and poke Millien in the chest, and the ref then gets between them. Totally provoked by Criswell.
Again, for the most part, it was a hardfought game, and I think we are taking this worse than the players. Dlouhy should still be suspended if only for the dangerous nature of the foul, but I do believe after watching the tape that he INSTANTLY regretted it. That much is obvous, and that's good, because Dlouhy has always seemed a likeable player.
BBB
Wow BigBengalBacker - is there any reason why we should take anything you say as unbiased based on your name alone?
You couldn't be further from the truth on much of what you say. Sounds to me like sour grapes because of the fact that the unbiased posters are basically agreeing with what Montana fans are saying. And you're finger in the chest accusation is completely fabricated.
Great first post
- I'm sick of these Bengal fans coming over here and trying to tell Griz fans that the Griz are dirty players. We all know what the truth of the situation is and I don't know why ISU fans are coming onto a UM board and trying to argue a point that is impossible to defend.
Go back to Pocatello and enjoy your dirty play and playoff-less season. Send a postcard from that imaginary world where you can actually believe that ISU players aren't responsible for 95% of the dirty play on the court any given night.
You couldn't be further from the truth on much of what you say. Sounds to me like sour grapes because of the fact that the unbiased posters are basically agreeing with what Montana fans are saying. And you're finger in the chest accusation is completely fabricated.
Great first post
- I'm sick of these Bengal fans coming over here and trying to tell Griz fans that the Griz are dirty players. We all know what the truth of the situation is and I don't know why ISU fans are coming onto a UM board and trying to argue a point that is impossible to defend.Go back to Pocatello and enjoy your dirty play and playoff-less season. Send a postcard from that imaginary world where you can actually believe that ISU players aren't responsible for 95% of the dirty play on the court any given night.
BBB - you're not accomplishing anything other than persuading yourself to believe things that aren't true!!!
You want to know exactly what happened on that Millien - Criswell exchange? I don't care how much tape you can re-run and watch - I can take you through it blow by blow.
Criswell goes up for a layup, probably was fouled, but its a call that's made maybe 50% of the time, so I don't have a whole lot of problem with the no call.
Millien and Criswell get tangled up on the floor after the play. Millien puts his hand on Criswell's face and pushes off to get up. A complete cheapshot that was not warranted - and was absolutely intentional. If you even try to argue this point or that Millien did not instigate this dirty play - you are wrong and we sir have issues. This is not something I will take lightly or let go in the near future - trust me. If I saw Slim in the street - we would have issues over this play. DO NOT try to stand up for him on this play.
They go down the court to line up for the foul shouts and Criswell had some choice words for Slim. Basically told him exactly what he is - and that's all I need to say about that. Millien retaliated with an elbow and that's when the ref stepped in.
I'm telling you BBB - you're on thin ice over this subject and I especially will not tolerate your remarks about Criswell being anywhere near a dirty player. Kev stood up for himself after receiving a cheap shot. I and probably just about anybody else would have done the same exact thing.
You want to know exactly what happened on that Millien - Criswell exchange? I don't care how much tape you can re-run and watch - I can take you through it blow by blow.
Criswell goes up for a layup, probably was fouled, but its a call that's made maybe 50% of the time, so I don't have a whole lot of problem with the no call.
Millien and Criswell get tangled up on the floor after the play. Millien puts his hand on Criswell's face and pushes off to get up. A complete cheapshot that was not warranted - and was absolutely intentional. If you even try to argue this point or that Millien did not instigate this dirty play - you are wrong and we sir have issues. This is not something I will take lightly or let go in the near future - trust me. If I saw Slim in the street - we would have issues over this play. DO NOT try to stand up for him on this play.
They go down the court to line up for the foul shouts and Criswell had some choice words for Slim. Basically told him exactly what he is - and that's all I need to say about that. Millien retaliated with an elbow and that's when the ref stepped in.
I'm telling you BBB - you're on thin ice over this subject and I especially will not tolerate your remarks about Criswell being anywhere near a dirty player. Kev stood up for himself after receiving a cheap shot. I and probably just about anybody else would have done the same exact thing.
BigBengalBacker
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The play I'm refering to is later in the second half, after Millien's block. If Slim did something, it's what ANY player would do in the situation. I mean look, I watched a Griz player in football this yard pop a Bengal in the nuts after a play....sadly, these things happen.
But to say Criswell is innocent is just stupid. However, the play that instigated it was a blocked shot...clean and legal, no foul. Did Millien push off when getting up, probably, as you would, as Criswell would, hell as Krysto would. And let's remember, Criswell is probably my favorite non-Bengal in the Big Sky, and I wish we had him the last four years, since he tends to light our asses up quite often.
My point here is that Dlouhy's foul was dangerous and intentional, his wanting to deliberatly harm Kinghorn is absoluetly false, and I believe Dlouhy regretted the play about 0.6 seconds after it happened.
Is Slim the most innocent player? Probably not, but he's no more of a cheap-shot artist than Criswell. Both players play hard basketball, and in the intensity of that game (which the refs lost control of), they both were a bit out of line...
I mean, listen, I understand exactly what this game was...just the second conference win for the Bengals, and a bump in Montana's road to a first round tournament berth, UM is an excellent team (with probably the league's best coaching staff), but just because of Montana's successes are people, or opponents going to bow down. It was about time a team shoved back at Montana.
That being said, I like your team, and good luck the rest of the way, and yes, I am a Big Bengal Backer, and proud of it (as you should be of backing the Griz).
BBB
But to say Criswell is innocent is just stupid. However, the play that instigated it was a blocked shot...clean and legal, no foul. Did Millien push off when getting up, probably, as you would, as Criswell would, hell as Krysto would. And let's remember, Criswell is probably my favorite non-Bengal in the Big Sky, and I wish we had him the last four years, since he tends to light our asses up quite often.
My point here is that Dlouhy's foul was dangerous and intentional, his wanting to deliberatly harm Kinghorn is absoluetly false, and I believe Dlouhy regretted the play about 0.6 seconds after it happened.
Is Slim the most innocent player? Probably not, but he's no more of a cheap-shot artist than Criswell. Both players play hard basketball, and in the intensity of that game (which the refs lost control of), they both were a bit out of line...
I mean, listen, I understand exactly what this game was...just the second conference win for the Bengals, and a bump in Montana's road to a first round tournament berth, UM is an excellent team (with probably the league's best coaching staff), but just because of Montana's successes are people, or opponents going to bow down. It was about time a team shoved back at Montana.
That being said, I like your team, and good luck the rest of the way, and yes, I am a Big Bengal Backer, and proud of it (as you should be of backing the Griz).
BBB
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