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Age based rule to be implemented

mthoopsfan said:
I don't understand how these measurements work, but why would a recruit coming in January make any difference? He gets 5 seasons. Fall 1 through fall 5. I assume that isn't measured Aug 1 of year 1 to Dec. 31/Jan 10 of year 5? January enrollment in year 1 wouldn't impact that, would it? Feel free to explain this to me. I don't pretend to understand this. Thx.
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For example, his eligibility clock can begin 8/1 and he would get the next 5 seasons. If he postpones enrollment until January, his clock begins 1/1 and he would get the next 5 seasons (skipping the previous fall season that would count if he enrolls 8/1).
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
For example, his eligibility clock can begin 8/1 and he would get the next 5 seasons. If he postpones enrollment until January, his clock begins 1/1 and he would get the next 5 seasons (skipping the previous fall season that would count if he enrolls 8/1).
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No this is not correct. We're talking about early enrolling. Kids graduating mid year and starting school in January instead of graduating in May and getting to college in June or July for summer workouts.

Because eligibility goes by the sport season, this allows the kids to get ahead and see the field sooner and be successful sooner. Very standard practice in FBS football, Montana State does it, I know the Dakota schools do it as well. Griz do it when circumstance calls for it, from what I am told, but otherwise don't encourage kids to do it. But they won't say no to a kid coming early either.
 
RP24 said:
No this is not correct. We're talking about early enrolling. Kids graduating mid year and starting school in January instead of graduating in May and getting to college in June or July for summer workouts.

Because eligibility goes by the sport season, this allows the kids to get ahead and see the field sooner and be successful sooner. Very standard practice in FBS football, Montana State does it, I know the Dakota schools do it as well. Griz do it when circumstance calls for it, from what I am told, but otherwise don't encourage kids to do it. But they won't say no to a kid coming early either.
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Both early and late can be used, but early enrollment is limited possibly by actual finances (real dollars) because they are still on the hook for players that have used up their eligibility for the remainder of the academic year.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Okay, fine. I first used a computer in fall of 1968. And took 2 computer courses during college. And still know nothing about them. Ha. Yes, AI doesn't do some of the things you mentioned in your 2 posts, but neither does any technology, including computers and cell phones.

What next big thing technologies, like really big things, didn't pan out?

I'm totally convinced that AI is incredibly huge and useful, even if it can't or won't do everything some people say. It's truly amazing for the smaller things I use it for. Like researching, summarizing and writing. It's incredibly useful in many legal things. It even comes up with some legal ideas that had never occurred to me. It's far more accurate than virtually anything else, even though it is far from perfect. And it is incredibly fast. I don't use it for things like who's the best football team or anything like that, or anything that is an opinion. At this point, those uses would be silly.

"When were computers first used at dartmouth


The introduction of computing at Dartmouth unfolded in a few distinct, history-making milestones:

1. The Pre-Electronic Milestone (1940)​

The very first intersection of Dartmouth and digital computing occurred in September 1940 in McNutt Hall. Research mathematician George Stibitz (working with Bell Telephone Laboratories) used a standard telephone line and a teletype console on campus to remotely access an automatic calculator mainframe in New York City. This was the world's first demonstration of remote access computing.

The Koppelman Group+ 1

2.​

Dartmouth acquired its first physical, on-campus computer in 1959—a rudimentary, desk-sized LGP-30. It was a magnetic-drum memory machine that gave a small group of undergraduate students and faculty their very first hands-on programming experience.

Wikipedia+ 1

3. The Digital Revolution (1964)​


Dartmouth

The watershed year for Dartmouth computing was 1964. Professors John Kemeny and Thomas Kurtz [I took courses, some math, from both of them]—believing that exposure to computing was as essential to a liberal arts education as using the library—secured a National Science Foundation grant to bring a massive General Electric GE-225 mainframe to campus.

Dartmouth

Working with a team of brilliant undergraduate "sysprogs" (systems programmers) in the basement of College Hall (now Collis), they created the Dartmouth Time-Sharing System (DTSS) and the BASIC programming language. At 4:00 AM on May 1, 1964, the system successfully ran its first simultaneous programs, effectively inventing accessible, personal computing and democratizing technology for students of all disciplines.

Dartmouth"

Gemini.

Basic from Dartmouth was what Gates used to build Microsoft.

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In fact, BASIC is the literal foundation upon which Microsoft was built.

The evolution from Dartmouth BASIC to the software empire we know today is one of the most famous straight lines in tech history. Here is how it happened:

The Missing Link: Altair BASIC (1975)​

In January 1975, the MITS Altair 8800 appeared on the cover of Popular Electronics, sparking the microcomputer revolution. However, the machine shipped without software or an accessible operating system.

Seeing an opportunity, Bill Gates and Paul Allen realized that if they could adapt the easy-to-use BASIC language to run on the Altair's tiny Intel 8080 microprocessor, they would have a viable commercial product. Working around the clock at Harvard, they wrote an interpreter.

When they successfully loaded their code into the Altair via paper tape, it worked perfectly. That interpreter, Altair BASIC, became the very first product of a brand-new company they initially called "Micro-Soft."

The Separation from Dartmouth's Vision​

While Gates and Allen used the core syntax, logic, and user-friendly spirit of Dartmouth BASIC, their commercial versions began to diverge structurally:

  • The Business Model: Professors Kemeny and Kurtz intentionally kept Dartmouth BASIC in the public domain, wanting it to be a free educational tool for the world. Gates took the opposite approach, famously writing an "Open Letter to Hobbyists" in 1976, demanding that software developers be paid for their intellectual property.
  • Technical Adapation: Microsoft had to strip down Dartmouth's version to fit into incredibly tight memory constraints (initially just 4 KB of RAM).

The Evolution into Windows (GW-BASIC & Visual Basic)​

Microsoft didn't just use BASIC to get started; they rode it for decades. As personal computers grew, Microsoft evolved the language through several massive iterations:

  • MBASIC & IBM BASIC (Late 1970s/1980s): Microsoft licensed versions of BASIC to nearly every early computer manufacturer, including Apple, Commodore, and eventually IBM for the original IBM PC.
  • GW-BASIC & QBasic (1980s/1990s): This became bundled directly with MS-DOS. For a generation of Gen-X and Millennial programmers, this was their introduction to coding.
  • Visual Basic (1991): This was a massive paradigm shift. Microsoft transformed BASIC into a drag-and-drop, graphical user interface (GUI) tool. It allowed developers to rapidly build full-fledged Windows applications visually, handling the backend code automatically.
  • VB.NET (2002–Present): Microsoft fully integrated the language into their modern object-oriented .NETframework, ensuring it lived on into the enterprise software era.
Without Kemeny and Kurtz's breakthrough in Hanover, the software landscape—and Microsoft itself—would have looked entirely different." Gemini.
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google glass was going to make smart phones obsolete, virtual reality was going to replace the way we use the internet, microarrays were going to revolutionize genetics and genetic research, nano particles and drug delivery were going to revolutionize health care, optogenetics was going to revolutionize brain research, etc etc... there's a lot more money being tossed at ai than those, obviously. but a lot of things don't work out the way they were predicted. crypto was supposed to replace the way basic purchases and money exchanges are made, but using it like 'digital cash' hasn't proven viable. even apple pay and google wallet haven't been adopted to the level they were predicted - credit cards are still used a lot more in the u.s. and most of the world. none of these examples mean ai won't fundamentally change the world, but a bit of skepticism about some of the claims made about it doesn't seem like a bad thing.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Okay, go for it. Try. I will bet against you. I agree that one has to be careful with prompts.
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Lol, it took TWO prompts! Here's the copy/paste:

The Re-Evaluated Verdict​

With your clarifications, the outcome flips from a comfortable high school win to an absolute dogfight.

If this specific, soccer-savvy Griz squad plays a high school state champ:

  • The Strategy: The Griz would likely play a hyper-aggressive, physical, and fast-paced game. They would use their endurance to press the high schoolers high up the pitch, forcing turnovers before the kids could establish their passing rhythm.
  • The X-Factor: The Griz kickers taking set pieces (corners and free kicks) would be lethal. Any foul given up by the high schoolers within 35 yards of the goal would essentially be a penalty kick given the leg strength of D1 specialists.
Final Prediction: The Griz football "Soccer Sub-Squad" wins a grueling, highly physical match 2-1 or 3-2, largely decided by a physical mismatch on a corner kick or a set-piece goal from a D1 kicker. Your point stands—with the right roster filters, elite college athleticism combined with a baseline soccer IQ is just too much for 16 and 17-year-olds to overcome."
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Lol, it took TWO prompts! Here's the copy/paste:

The Re-Evaluated Verdict​

With your clarifications, the outcome flips from a comfortable high school win to an absolute dogfight.

If this specific, soccer-savvy Griz squad plays a high school state champ:
,
  • The Strategy: The Griz would likely play a hyper-aggressive, physical, and fast-paced game. They would use their endurance to press the high schoolers high up the pitch, forcing turnovers before the kids could establish their passing rhythm.
  • The X-Factor: The Griz kickers taking set pieces (corners and free kicks) would be lethal. Any foul given up by the high schoolers within 35 yards of the goal would essentially be a penalty kick given the leg strength of D1 specialists.
Final Prediction: The Griz football "Soccer Sub-Squad" wins a grueling, highly physical match 2-1 or 3-2, largely decided by a physical mismatch on a corner kick or a set-piece goal from a D1 kicker. Your point stands—with the right roster filters, elite college athleticism combined with a baseline soccer IQ is just too much for 16 and 17-year-olds to overcome."
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That's not Griz FB, that's Griz soccer.
 
RP24 said:
No this is not correct. We're talking about early enrolling. Kids graduating mid year and starting school in January instead of graduating in May and getting to college in June or July for summer workouts.

Because eligibility goes by the sport season, this allows the kids to get ahead d see the field sooner and be successful sooner. Very standard practice in FBS football, Montana State does it, I know the Dakota schools do it as well. Griz do it when circumstance calls for it, from what I am told, but otherwise don't encourage kids to do it. But they won't say no to a kid coming early either.
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This is what Gemini says: "Once the clock starts via enrollment or age, it runs continuously for 5 consecutive academic years (60 calendar months)." That says 60 calendar months. Under your scenario of an early enrollee, he still gets 5 full seasons whether he enrolls in January, June or August/September, doesn't he?
 
argh! said:
google glass was going to make smart phones obsolete, virtual reality was going to replace the way we use the internet, microarrays were going to revolutionize genetics and genetic research, nano particles and drug delivery were going to revolutionize health care, optogenetics was going to revolutionize brain research, etc etc... there's a lot more money being tossed at ai than those, obviously. but a lot of things don't work out the way they were predicted. crypto was supposed to replace the way basic purchases and money exchanges are made, but using it like 'digital cash' hasn't proven viable. even apple pay and google wallet haven't been adopted to the level they were predicted - credit cards are still used a lot more in the u.s. and most of the world. none of these examples mean ai won't fundamentally change the world, but a bit of skepticism about some of the claims made about it doesn't seem like a bad thing.
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Google glass was not something huge, in my mind. It was a blip. I never even heard of it until recently. I never saw the hype. I don't understand crypto. Never paid much attention to it.

Not that much was ever invested in Google glass. It is truly incredible.

Skepticism is fine, but AI is already overwhelmingly big and important and growing.

AI, on the other hand: "Total global spending on AI is projected to reach $2.52 trillion to $2.59 trillion, representing over 40% of all global IT spending.

1.​

Unlike previous tech booms that focused on software development, the current surge is dominated by physical hardware, computing power, and energy. According to recent 2026 data from firms like Gartner:

  • AI Infrastructure ($1.37 Trillion): This is the largest single slice of the pie. It includes specialized AI data centers, high-end GPU clusters (which drove Nvidia past a $5 trillion market cap), and network fabric.
  • Big Tech Capital Expenditure: Just four "hyperscalers"—Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, and Meta—have collectively budgeted between $660 billion and $720 billion for capital expenditures, directed almost entirely at AI data centers and infrastructure. For scale, Amazon alone has targeted roughly $200 billion in AI investments, while Alphabet is raising $80 billion in fresh cash to fuel a planned $190 billion spend.
  • Semiconductor Mega-Projects: To keep pace with chip demand, massive regional initiatives are underway. For instance, Samsung and SK Hynix announced a joint $518 billion investment to build a massive new computer chipmaking hub in South Korea.

2. Software, Models, and Services​

While infrastructure eats up nearly half of the capital, the remaining investment is split across deployment:

  • AI Software & GenAI Models (~$450–$480 Billion): Enterprise software and the training of foundational models are expanding rapidly, with generative AI model spending seeing an 80% year-over-year growth rate.
  • AI Consulting and Services (~$585 Billion): Because most companies lack internal machine learning expertise, hundreds of billions are flowing to enterprise consulting firms (like PwC, Deloitte, and Accenture) to help bridge the skills gap and deploy AI into existing corporate workflows.

3. Long-Term Forecasts: The Multi-Trillion Dollar Horizon​

Looking further down the road, the numbers become even more exponential. Goldman Sachs estimates that tech companies will spend a cumulative $7.6 trillion through 2031 just to build and power the thousands of new data centers required to keep up with agentic workflows and advanced AI systems." Gemini.
 
mthoopsfan said:
This is what Gemini says: "Once the clock starts via enrollment or age, it runs continuously for 5 consecutive academic years (60 calendar months)." That says 60 calendar months. Under your scenario of an early enrollee, he still gets 5 full seasons whether he enrolls in January, June or August/September, doesn't he?
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He isn't suggesting differently.
 
RP24 said:
It does not impact as far as seasons played, absolutely correct. But arriving in January is an offseason of college development before your freshman season in order to be more physically and mentally ready to play. That 5 season hard cap simply makes it more valuable to your program and the development of your young players to get them in the building sooner and on the field sooner.

Even if they don't see the field until their 2nd year, that's TWO whole off seasons of development before they play, instead of one, while keeping the same eligibility. Theoretically, your freshman who come in early in January are during their freshman football season in the Fall actually at a SOPH level as far as physical development and skill set.....In their Soph season they are at a JUNIOR level, and so on, because they have that extra offseason work they wouldn't have gotten at home.

Two kids in the same class, one arrives in Jan and one in June/July, the kid in January is essentially a year ahead with development because they have been adding size and strength in a real program with real nutrition since January as well as getting to participate in spring ball which is invaluable. The kid who gets their in summer, it's all brand new, he's been working out at home not in a college program, and Fall practice starts in a few weeks. Rarely, especially at this level, is that kid prepared to help out. And when the season arrives, the early enrollee is already prepared whether they play or not that first year.

There are many FBS schools that require you to get there in January, or you aren't able to commit to the offer and they'll get someone else (besides those high 4* and the 5*s of course).
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Yes, but that has nothing to do with the 5-year eligibility rule. It's the same as it is now. You can bring kids in earlier, or not.
 
RP24 said:
While they have never been AGAINST it, my understanding is that the Griz have not been a program that into early enrollees the way that some other FCS programs are (and basically every FBS program). They'll take them when they have to, but they don't encourage it.

This rule drastically changes the value of a kid graduating early and being there in January for all of winter lifting and spring ball. They are getting an additional 6-7 months of physical and skill development on their 5 year clock that allows them to be ready sooner. They are going to need to reevaluate that thinking rather quickly. Not to mention no more waivers to get extra years tacked on for various reasons.
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It really doesn't
 
mthoopsfan said:
That's not Griz FB, that's Griz soccer.
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No, it was Griz FB. If I said Griz soccer (which we don’t have?), it would tell me I’m crazy to think it would even be a game, lol.

It initially said the HS soccer team would run circles around the bulkier FB players not conditioned for soccer, etc. I had to remind Gemini that the Griz FB team had bigger/stronger/faster DI athletes who play WR/DB/RB with elite speed and conditioning, and that a lot of DI athletes likely played some level of soccer growing up, and that the FB team also had multiple kickers and punters on the team who could hammer a soccer ball out of set pieces, etc. Hence the reference to “The Griz football "Soccer Sub-Squad". I just refined the prompt to steer the model.

Now, I don’t believe the Griz FB team could actually win that soccer game, but it’s just an example how we can steer it in the prompts.
 
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