Is undercutting Griz wins a sign of

[3-7-77]

Good point. If I could go back to that day, I would have shut off the TV, and found something else to do. Bad day from the beginning.

https://youtu.be/YgBrBAl4BNo

 

[horribilisfan8184]

THERE is the conundrum. IF BH is replaced, replaced with whom? BH has no problem getting fired up playing the scats. So, you put the likes of old green hat, an out of stater, and our Griz come out flat........its on him, agreed. Joe Glenn was out of state, and he did very well, until he wanted to move on.

Bobby sure had 'em fired up last year!

Touché!

 

[kemajic]

BH's past success was his ability to take the leftover cake that someone else made, put some new frosting on it.... and pass it off as his own.... BH has no idea how to make his own cake that can win the top prize...

Who supplied the leftover cake that BH took to the natty in '08 and '09?

 

[3-7-77]

After reading this thread, I may just stop eating cake... :lol:

 

[retiredpopo]

After reading this thread, I may just stop eating cake... :lol:

I called my wife and ask her if she would stop and pick up a cake on her way home....she said what kind I said any kind just make sure it has not been dropped on the floor.

 

[#15 Fan]

If you can’t get your kids fired up for Cat-Griz, you’re not gonna win very many big games.

THERE is the conundrum. IF BH is replaced, replaced with whom? BH has no problem getting fired up playing the scats. So, you put the likes of old green hat, an out of stater, and our Griz come out flat........its on him, agreed. Joe Glenn was out of state, and he did very well, until he wanted to move on.

We had one bad experience by conducting a search and hiring Stitt. That doesn't mean every coach we try to hire will be Stitt-esque, good Lord. If idaho of all people got Ek to come there, I'm sure there's a good coordinator looking to step up and make a name for himself, and I'm sure Montana is at the top of a lot of those lists for many coaches.

 

[GrizRealist]

BH's past success was his ability to take the leftover cake that someone else made, put some new frosting on it.... and pass it off as his own.... BH has no idea how to make his own cake that can win the top prize...

Who supplied the leftover cake that BH took to the natty in '08 and '09?

He took over a machine that was humming right along and kept his foot on the gas. All the best Montana athletes wanted to play for the griz, we had the best brand and reputation among FCS schools and it allowed him to easily recruit and build a roster over successive years. Compare that to when he took over for round 2, where shine of MT football had really worn off due to lawsuits, poor coaching, and the rise of other FCS powers, one of which is in our own state. You compound all of that with how transfer rules work and its a completely different game that it was for his first tenure. His recipe for success in his first stint was much more simple, and frankly easier. Had the pick of the litter when it came to recruiting, and his competition was much weaker. Say what you want, but BH does not have a lot of quality coaching experience building a team and making them great. He stepped in at the right moment and was able to take advantage of previous success to help him keep the machine humming along. I'm not insinuating he is a bad coach, because he's not, but I feel sorry for any who believed he was going to come back and replicate what he did the first time around, because he did not have the same head start this time around.

 

[poorgriz]

THERE is the conundrum. IF BH is replaced, replaced with whom? BH has no problem getting fired up playing the scats. So, you put the likes of old green hat, an out of stater, and our Griz come out flat........its on him, agreed. Joe Glenn was out of state, and he did very well, until he wanted to move on.

We had one bad experience by conducting a search and hiring Stitt. That doesn't mean every coach we try to hire will be Stitt-esque, good Lord. If idaho of all people got Ek to come there, I'm sure there's a good coordinator looking to step up and make a name for himself, and I'm sure Montana is at the top of a lot of those lists for many coaches.

Exactly, which is exactly why Bobcat Nation loves the fact that you brought Bobbee back the way you did. MSU did a true national search when Choate left and according to you, we had to hire the 6th choice Brent Vigen. Look at us now.

 

[kemajic]

We had one bad experience by conducting a search and hiring Stitt. That doesn't mean every coach we try to hire will be Stitt-esque, good Lord. If idaho of all people got Ek to come there, I'm sure there's a good coordinator looking to step up and make a name for himself, and I'm sure Montana is at the top of a lot of those lists for many coaches.

Exactly, which is exactly why Bobcat Nation loves the fact that you brought Bobbee back the way you did. MSU did a true national search when Choate left and according to you, we had to hire the 6th choice Brent Vigen. Look at us now.

You have managed to get the drunks.

 

[3-7-77]

He took over a machine that was humming right along and kept his foot on the gas. All the best Montana athletes wanted to play for the griz, we had the best brand and reputation among FCS schools and it allowed him to easily recruit and build a roster over successive years. Compare that to when he took over for round 2, where shine of MT football had really worn off due to lawsuits, poor coaching, and the rise of other FCS powers, one of which is in our own state. You compound all of that with how transfer rules work and its a completely different game that it was for his first tenure. His recipe for success in his first stint was much more simple, and frankly easier. Had the pick of the litter when it came to recruiting, and his competition was much weaker. Say what you want, but BH does not have a lot of quality coaching experience building a team and making them great. He stepped in at the right moment and was able to take advantage of previous success to help him keep the machine humming along. I'm not insinuating he is a bad coach, because he's not, but I feel sorry for any who believed he was going to come back and replicate what he did the first time around, because he did not have the same head start this time around.

Where the hell did you get the idea that you could post the truth on eGriz? I have high hopes and expectations. Belief is for religions and cults.

I made a comment on some thread that Don Read took a far worse team and won a NC in ten years. This is year 5 for Bobby. Read had three years of Super Dave. Bobby ain't got no Super Dave.

 

[thirdandlong]

Who supplied the leftover cake that BH took to the natty in '08 and '09?

He took over a machine that was humming right along and kept his foot on the gas. All the best Montana athletes wanted to play for the griz, we had the best brand and reputation among FCS schools and it allowed him to easily recruit and build a roster over successive years. Compare that to when he took over for round 2, where shine of MT football had really worn off due to lawsuits, poor coaching, and the rise of other FCS powers, one of which is in our own state. You compound all of that with how transfer rules work and its a completely different game that it was for his first tenure. His recipe for success in his first stint was much more simple, and frankly easier. Had the pick of the litter when it came to recruiting, and his competition was much weaker. Say what you want, but BH does not have a lot of quality coaching experience building a team and making them great. He stepped in at the right moment and was able to take advantage of previous success to help him keep the machine humming along. I'm not insinuating he is a bad coach, because he's not, but I feel sorry for any who believed he was going to come back and replicate what he did the first time around, because he did not have the same head start this time around.

Annnnnd, that is exactly the problem. The sequel is never as good as the original. The big muckity-muck boosters (like Jack) demanded that Hauck be re-hired. They were incensed when Bobby was passed-over for Stitt, and let Haslam know that Bobby would be coaching this team during the next hire.

The game has changed...... Bobby has not. And that's the problem. If any of you know players who have graduated in the past 2-3 years, just ask them. I do, and I have. The Big Sky coaches know the score..... and predict that we are the 6th best team in the conference.

 

[mthoopsfan]

He took over a machine that was humming right along and kept his foot on the gas. All the best Montana athletes wanted to play for the griz, we had the best brand and reputation among FCS schools and it allowed him to easily recruit and build a roster over successive years. Compare that to when he took over for round 2, where shine of MT football had really worn off due to lawsuits, poor coaching, and the rise of other FCS powers, one of which is in our own state. You compound all of that with how transfer rules work and its a completely different game that it was for his first tenure. His recipe for success in his first stint was much more simple, and frankly easier. Had the pick of the litter when it came to recruiting, and his competition was much weaker. Say what you want, but BH does not have a lot of quality coaching experience building a team and making them great. He stepped in at the right moment and was able to take advantage of previous success to help him keep the machine humming along. I'm not insinuating he is a bad coach, because he's not, but I feel sorry for any who believed he was going to come back and replicate what he did the first time around, because he did not have the same head start this time around.

Annnnnd, that is exactly the problem. The sequel is never as good as the original. The big muckity-muck boosters (like Jack) demanded that Hauck be re-hired. They were incensed when Bobby was passed-over for Stitt, and let Haslam know that Bobby would be coaching this team during the next hire.

The game has changed...... Bobby has not. And that's the problem. If any of you know players who have graduated in the past 2-3 years, just ask them. I do, and I have. The Big Sky coaches know the score..... and predict that we are the 6th best team in the conference.

Hauck brought the team from from no. 33 and no playoffs, to nos. 6, 6 and 14 and playoff wins in years 2, 3 and 4.

 

[Oldschoolhornet]

Without question, those statistics are absolute proof that RTD is alive and well in Griz Country!

 

[mthoopsfan]

Without question, those statistics are absolute proof that RTD is alive and well in Griz Country!

Without a doubt those are the 5th best stats in FCS football in the past 3 seasons.

 

[poorgriz]

Without question, those statistics are absolute proof that RTD is alive and well in Griz Country!

Without a doubt those are the 5th best stats in FCS football in the past 3 seasons.

Yep! You've arrived!

 

[mthoopsfan]

Without a doubt those are the 5th best stats in FCS football in the past 3 seasons.

Yep! You've arrived!

Without a doubt, you don’t understand football. You puff about getting beat by good teams and act like that is great success. If you think Chambers is as good as Mellott, you are crazy. Watch out for Weber. Will be nice to see Cats lose in conference. It’s coming. Sooner or later.

 

[poorgriz]

Yep! You've arrived!

Without a doubt, you don’t understand football. You puff about getting beat by good teams and act like that is great success. If you think Chambers is as good as Mellott, you are crazy. Watch out for Weber. Will be nice to see Cats lose in conference. It’s coming. Sooner or later.

I don't remember ever bragging about getting beat by a good team, but I think you posted something once talking about the "quality of the teams that beat the griz". Also, maybe Chambers isn't QUITE as good as Mellott, but they are both damn good. Yes, maybe the Cats will lose a conference game or two, it happens. griz should certainly be used to it by now.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

Annnnnd, that is exactly the problem. The sequel is never as good as the original. The big muckity-muck boosters (like Jack) demanded that Hauck be re-hired. They were incensed when Bobby was passed-over for Stitt, and let Haslam know that Bobby would be coaching this team during the next hire.

The game has changed...... Bobby has not. And that's the problem. If any of you know players who have graduated in the past 2-3 years, just ask them. I do, and I have. The Big Sky coaches know the score..... and predict that we are the 6th best team in the conference.

Hauck brought the team from from no. 33 and no playoffs, to nos. 6, 6 and 15 and playoff wins in years 2, 3 and 4.

You selectively use irrelevant data points to support your argument, and then make a baseless assumption.

You conveniently left out the fact that in year one of BH 2.0 the 2018 team was 6-5, lost to the Cats, and missed the playoffs.

It’s not suprising at all that the team improved in 2019 — when the core group of players Stitt recruited (McGee, Toure, Akem, Calhoun, etc.) were sophmores and juniors. Plus they had Buck Buchanan winner Olson on defense (who was actually a Delaney recruit). Though that team also lost to State that season, the first of BH2.0’s two humiliating losses in Bozeman.

You’re also assuming that if Stitt had been alllowed to continue with his rebuild that his teams in 2018 and 2019 wouldn’t have improved from 2017. There’s absolutely no reason to believe that a Griz team, with Jensen (a freshman all-American QB) and the core group having another two years of experience in the same system,, wouldn’t continue to grow and improve under Stitt.

Another detail that is often ignore here is that Stitt’s rebuilding process took time because it relied primarily on recruitng and developoing high school graduates rather than transfer portal guys. Plus the Griz program still didn’t have all of its scholarships available because of the self-imposed santions prior to Stitt’s arrival.

And for comparison, look at the rebuilding process that started in Bozeman in 2016 when they hired Choate. His record wasn’t that great in the first few seasons either, but they didn’t run him out of town. They supported him during his rebuilding efforts and that decision has paid huge dividends for that program. Meanwhile, the Montana program is bascially back to what it was under Delaney.

For some reason, that doesn’t seem to bother the cult of Hauck.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Without a doubt, you don’t understand football. You puff about getting beat by good teams and act like that is great success. If you think Chambers is as good as Mellott, you are crazy. Watch out for Weber. Will be nice to see Cats lose in conference. It’s coming. Sooner or later.

I don't remember ever bragging about getting beat by a good team, but I think you posted something once talking about the "quality of the teams that beat the griz". Also, maybe Chambers isn't QUITE as good as Mellott, but they are both damn good. Yes, maybe the Cats will lose a conference game or two, it happens. griz should certainly be used to it by now.

You Cats have just been crowing about your loss to SDSU.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Hauck brought the team from from no. 33 and no playoffs, to nos. 6, 6 and 15 and playoff wins in years 2, 3 and 4.

You selectively use irrelevant data points to support your argument, and then make a baseless assumption.

You conveniently left out the fact that in year one of BH 2.0 the 2018 team was 6-5, lost to the Cats, and missed the playoffs.

It’s not suprising at all that the team improved in 2019 — when the core group of players Stitt recruited (McGee, Toure, Akem, Calhoun, etc.) were sophmores and juniors. Plus they had Buck Buchanan winner Olson on defense (who was actually a Delaney recruit). Though that team also lost to State that season, the first of BH2.0’s two humiliating losses in Bozeman.

You’re also assuming that if Stitt had been alllowed to continue with his rebuild that his teams in 2018 and 2019 wouldn’t have improved from 2017. There’s absolutely no reason to believe that a Griz team, with Jensen (a freshman all-American QB) and the core group having another two years of experience in the same system,, wouldn’t continue to grow and improve under Stitt.

Another detail that is often ignore here is that Stitt’s rebuilding process took time because it relied primarily on recruitng and developoing high school graduates rather than transfer portal guys. Plus the Griz program still didn’t have all of its scholarships available because of the self-imposed santions prior to Stitt’s arrival.

And for comparison, look at the rebuilding process that started in Bozeman in 2016 when they hired Choate. His record wasn’t that great in the first few seasons either, but they didn’t run him out of town. They supported him during his rebuilding efforts and that decision has paid huge dividends for that program. Meanwhile, the Montana program is bascially back to what it was under Delaney.

For some reason, that doesn’t seem to bother the cult of Hauck.

Everything in my post was fact. Everything in your post is speculation. Stitt’s teams were going backwards. Fact.