Is undercutting Griz wins a sign of

[3-7-77]

I see fans that are frustrated, and fed up. They need results, not excuses. You could see it in the nearly 27,000 at WGS last Saturday. They are ready to explode. :!:

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

You’re literally saying there is a differnet standard and making excuses for Bobby, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

And the points you make in an attempt to dismiss the one-possession losses in the Brawl that Stitt’s young teams had, while excusing Bobby’s embarassing performances with experienced teams brings up a very good point.

Similiar to Stitt, Choate’s first few seasons weren’t great from an overall record perspective. It pains me to say it, but Bozeman’s athletic department and fans are actually smarter than Montana’s AD and fans.

They didn’t chase Choate out of town and run back to Rob Ashe three years later only to end up being mediocre little brother again. They supported thier new coach and his staff while they worked through the growing pains and completed his rebuild. And by the time thier intial set of freshmen were seniors, they were playing in Frisco. They are better off because they focused on the long-term vision.

While far too many Griz fans are content to cheer when the Griz visions has some old timer talking about a Griz-Cat win from back in the 90’s or early 2000’s. It’s beyond frustrating that so many Griz fans are stuck in the past…

The only thing Bobby has done better is playing politics with the influential boosters. Well that and coaching special teams. I’m not fan of BH any longer, but he’s a helluva special teams coordinator. I’m looking forward to when he is back coaching special teams in the Mountain West.

I'm simply stating facts.

Sounds like you're the one letting your feelings get in the way here.

Based on the part of my reply that you selectively removed, it sounds like you can’t refute the points I made to support my position.

Go back to blindly supporing BH and cheering on the great teams from the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

 

[GrizRealist]

There’s nothing to debate. That’s the sentiment of much of the fan base that you called out in your original post. Take it or leave it, that’s it. I hope that things go well and we can all look back on those feelings and laugh. Only time will tell that, and your words and “qualifications” aren’t going to change that.

Besides, I don’t debate with narcissists.

You are afraid to debate these points and with me.

Do you undercut wins? Can you explain why some people do that?

Can you back up your statement of bad play-calling? You said it. Now explain to us. Or are you just hot air?

He's not afraid (why would he be?) as much as he probably doesn't want to continually debate with someone who is trained to bend truths and twists facts for a living. Kudos to your thousands of carefully worded posts that are always designed to leave you an out. It blows my mind people get on the proverbial debate treadmill with you knowing its not going to ever stop.

 

[uofmman1122]

I'm simply stating facts.

Sounds like you're the one letting your feelings get in the way here.

Based on the part of my reply that you selectively removed, it sounds like you can’t refute the points I made to support my position.

Go back to blindly supporing BH and cheering on the great teams from the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

Everything I took out was just your subjective opinion about Bobby and his teams.

All the facts say that his teams have been better than Stitt's. You can still think whatever you want about him, though.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Based on the part of my reply that you selectively removed, it sounds like you can’t refute the points I made to support my position.

Go back to blindly supporing BH and cheering on the great teams from the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

Everything I took out was just your subjective opinion about Bobby and his teams.

All the facts say that his teams have been better than Stitt's. You can still think whatever you want about him, though.

Is being better than Stitt's teams all it takes?

 

[uofmman1122]

Everything I took out was just your subjective opinion about Bobby and his teams.

All the facts say that his teams have been better than Stitt's. You can still think whatever you want about him, though.

Is being better than Stitt's teams all it takes?

lol dude do we really have to go over this again?

I never said if it was good enough or not. I'm only addressing the people that continually and incorrectly keep asserting that Hauck hasn't been better than Stitt.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Is being better than Stitt's teams all it takes?

lol dude do we really have to go over this again?

I never said if it was good enough or not. I'm only addressing the people that continually and incorrectly keep asserting that Hauck hasn't been better than Stitt.

I only ask because it never cease to amaze me that after being gone SIX YEARS Stitt is still the topic of many conversations.

Should I keep addressing the people that continually and incorrectly post that Stitt "focused only on receivers and left the cupboard bare of O-linemen"? Asking for a friend...because I have debunked that false premise about 30 times on here and I'm tired of doing the same research for lazy SOB's.

 

[uofmman1122]

lol dude do we really have to go over this again?

I never said if it was good enough or not. I'm only addressing the people that continually and incorrectly keep asserting that Hauck hasn't been better than Stitt.

I only ask because it never cease to amaze me that after being gone SIX YEARS Stitt is still the topic of many conversations.

Should I keep addressing the people that continually and incorrectly post that Stitt "focused only on receivers and left the cupboard bare of O-linemen"? Asking for a friend...because I have debunked that false premise about 30 times on here and I'm tired of doing the same research for lazy SOB's.

I don't know why you're asking me, since I haven't said that.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

Based on the part of my reply that you selectively removed, it sounds like you can’t refute the points I made to support my position.

Go back to blindly supporing BH and cheering on the great teams from the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

Everything I took out was just your subjective opinion about Bobby and his teams.

All the facts say that his teams have been better than Stitt's. You can still think whatever you want about him, though.

All the facts?

Hauck's 2018 team was 6-5, lost to State, and missed the playoffs. How was that better than Stitt's third and final season? With a freshman QB and core set of skill players that were mostly underclassmen?

I also think (yes, this is my opinion) that the Griz took a huge step back in 2018 and would have been far more successful if Jensen, McGee, Toure, Akem, and Calhoun had continued in Stitt's offense. Same for the defense.

By the way, Stitt's terrible no good DC (Jason Semore) is currently the DC at Marshall. And for the Gregorak fans, please note that TG was eventually fired by Choate and is no longer in the coaching profession.

The fact is, UM’s football program under BH's leadership hasn’t resulted in a return to dominance, but rather a return to the mediocrity that has plagued the program since Engstrom the fool capitulated to the football-hating faculty members and unjustly fired Phlugrad and O'Day.

So please stop trying to make this about Coach Stitt, and just explain why you continue to blindly support BH 2.0? And more specifically, at what point do you finally agree -- despite all he's done for the program in the past -- that it's time for UM to move on?

More BH 2.0 facts:

* BH 2.0's teams lose to Bozeman State 75% of the time; in blow-out fashion, more often than not.
* They lost the Little Brown Stein as soon as Idaho made a coaching change.
- Please note: The Vandal's program is what it looks like when "return to dominance" is more than a social media marketing campaign.
* They don’t win conference championships; Something Haslam specifically mentioned was expected when he fired Stitt.
* When they make the playoffs, they win one home game and then lose on the road.
- And let's be honest, the Griz were lucky to get a playoff game last year after the beating they suffered in Bozeman. I would argue that was basically a gift from the NCAA seeking rare FCS ticket revenue.
* They’ve never made it to the semi-finals, much less Frisco.
* They’ve been to the quarterfinals only once, which was a very, very poor showing at JMU.

Given these facts, do you really not believe there is another coach out there that could actually take Montana to the next level?

Can you imagine what a guy like the Ferris State coach could do if he was given access to all the scholarships and resources that Montana has to offer?

I do.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Do you not know that the recipient “infers”, not
the sender. As I thought, you are either not educated or not smart.

Again, being able to see that some people obviously
didn’t play the game, and don’t understand it, has nothing to with coaching or Bobby. Zero.

Sorry, but watching football is not the same as playing football, especially at the college level, or understanding football. You are proof of my point and too oblivious to
even understand.

You may be a nice enough guy, but you don’t understand the game. Picking Ferris over the Griz at home is a ln example that you don’t know the game.

You infer people have zero knowledge yet you are put in your place by every poster

Nope. Name any poster who has out me in my place. And explain why. You are ignorant.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Everything I took out was just your subjective opinion about Bobby and his teams.

All the facts say that his teams have been better than Stitt's. You can still think whatever you want about him, though.

All the facts?

Hauck's 2018 team was 6-5, lost to State, and missed the playoffs. How was that better than Stitt's third and final season? With a freshman QB and core set of skill players that were mostly underclassmen?

I also think (yes, this is my opinion) that the Griz took a huge step back in 2018 and would have been far more successful if Jensen, McGee, Toure, Akem, and Calhoun had continued in Stitt's offense. Same for the defense.

By the way, Stitt's terrible no good DC (Jason Semore) is currently the DC at Marshall. And for the Gregorak fans, please note that TG was eventually fired by Choate and is no longer in the coaching profession.

The fact is, UM’s football program under BH's leadership hasn’t resulted in a return to dominance, but rather a return to the mediocrity that has plagued the program since Engstrom the fool capitulated to the football-hating faculty members and unjustly fired Phlugrad and O'Day.

So please stop trying to make this about Coach Stitt, and just explain why you continue to blindly support BH 2.0? And more specifically, at what point do you finally agree -- despite all he's done for the program in the past -- that it's time for UM to move on?

More BH 2.0 facts:

* BH 2.0's teams lose to Bozeman State 75% of the time; in blow-out fashion, more often than not.
* They lost the Little Brown Stein as soon as Idaho made a coaching change.
- Please note: The Vandal's program is what it looks like when "return to dominance" is more than a social media marketing campaign.
* They don’t win conference championships; Something Haslam specifically mentioned was expected when he fired Stitt.
* When they make the playoffs, they win one home game and then lose on the road.
- And let's be honest, the Griz were lucky to get a playoff game last year after the beating they suffered in Bozeman. I would argue that was basically a gift from the NCAA seeking rare FCS ticket revenue.
* They’ve never made it to the semi-finals, much less Frisco.
* They’ve been to the quarterfinals only once, which was a very, very poor showing at JMU.

Given these facts, do you really not believe there is another coach out there that could actually take Montana to the next level?

Can you imagine what a guy like the Ferris State coach could do if he was given access to all the scholarships and resources that Montana has to offer?

I do.

After first year, Hauck’s have finished being ranked No. 6, no. 6, and no. 14. That’s not mediocre at all.
When was a Stitt team number 6 at end of season?

 

[3-7-77]

George Carlin summarized the seven words not to be used in public. I will add #8, 'Stitt.' He's been gone a long time, let him rest. How about adding his name to the words filtered out of 'intelligent discourse' on this site. :thumb:

 

[uofmman1122]

So please stop trying to make this about Coach Stitt, and just explain why you continue to blindly support BH 2.0? And more specifically, at what point do you finally agree -- despite all he's done for the program in the past -- that it's time for UM to move on?

I'm not the one who made this about coach Stitt. You did.

I've never even said I am happy with where Hauck has our team. Just that it's a lot better than where the previous coach had us. And your facts don't refute that. I love how Hauck sucks because he only made the quartefinals twice in the same post where you say the guy who never made it there ever was unfairly maligned. And I'm the one blindly supporting someone? :lol:

Given these facts, do you really not believe there is another coach out there that could actually take Montana to the next level?

I'm sure there probably is, but it certainly isn't and never was Bob Stitt.

 

[AZGrizFan]

So please stop trying to make this about Coach Stitt, and just explain why you continue to blindly support BH 2.0? And more specifically, at what point do you finally agree -- despite all he's done for the program in the past -- that it's time for UM to move on?

I'm not the one who made this about coach Stitt. You did.

I've never even said I am happy with where Hauck has our team. Just that it's a lot better than where the previous coach had us. And your facts don't refute that. I love how Hauck sucks because he only made the quartefinals twice in the same post where you say the guy who never made it there ever was unfairly maligned. And I'm the one blindly supporting someone? :lol:

Given these facts, do you really not believe there is another coach out there that could actually take Montana to the next level?

I'm sure there probably is, but it certainly isn't and never was Bob Stitt.

I’ll ask it again: Is merely being better than Bob Stitt enough? Because that’s a pretty low bar…

 

[uofmman1122]

I'm not the one who made this about coach Stitt. You did.

I've never even said I am happy with where Hauck has our team. Just that it's a lot better than where the previous coach had us. And your facts don't refute that. I love how Hauck sucks because he only made the quartefinals twice in the same post where you say the guy who never made it there ever was unfairly maligned. And I'm the one blindly supporting someone? :lol:


I'm sure there probably is, but it certainly isn't and never was Bob Stitt.

I’ll ask it again: Is merely being better than Bob Stitt enough? Because that’s a pretty low bar…

I don't know. We could always fire Bobby and get stuck with another guy like Stitt who can't make the playoffs, which is probably more likely than finding a guy who can make the NC game every year.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I’ll ask it again: Is merely being better than Bob Stitt enough? Because that’s a pretty low bar…

I don't know. We could always fire Bobby and get stuck with another guy like Stitt who can't make the playoffs, which is probably more likely than finding a guy who can make the NC game every year.

Got it. So, accept above average instead of striving for excellence. Settle for 6/6/14 instead of striving for #1.

 

[uofmman1122]

I don't know. We could always fire Bobby and get stuck with another guy like Stitt who can't make the playoffs, which is probably more likely than finding a guy who can make the NC game every year.

Got it. So, accept above average instead of striving for excellence. Settle for 6/6/14 instead of striving for #1.

I love how you put words in my mouth. :lol:

Unlike you, I'm not convinced Bobby can't get the job done. If you also think he can, then I don't get what you're trying to say here.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Got it. So, accept above average instead of striving for excellence. Settle for 6/6/14 instead of striving for #1.

I love how you put words in my mouth. :lol:

Unlike you, I'm not convinced Bobby can't get the job done. If you also think he can, then I don't get what you're trying to say here.

I’m simply paraphrasing what you said. You’d rather stick with Bobby than take the chance of another Stitt hire… And if he CAN get the job done, WTF is he waiting for?

 

[Oldschoolhornet]

Wait a minute...I'm confused...I thought the Griz was experiencing RTD.

 

[uofmman1122]

I love how you put words in my mouth. :lol:

Unlike you, I'm not convinced Bobby can't get the job done. If you also think he can, then I don't get what you're trying to say here.

I’m simply paraphrasing what you said. You’d rather stick with Bobby than take the chance of another Stitt hire… And if he CAN get the job done, WTF is he waiting for?

I’m actually totally fine if they decided to move on and roll the dice on a new head coach. I’m just not convinced like many that that would just automatically turn us into a top 2 team every year.