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[MiningCityGrizFan]

You can use the search function to go back and read my thoughts on the terrible way Stitt, his staff, and their families were treated.

I still believe any coach hired to rebuild a program should be allowed to graduate at least one class of seniors he recruited as freshmen. Otherwise, what’s the point of bringing in a new coach with a fresh perspective?

Stitt was brought in because the Griz weren’t satisfied with mediocre regular seasons and early playoff exits. You know who else wasn’t satisfied with that, Bob Stitt. That’s why he turned over the roster after 2015. He didn’t go full Deon, but for all intents and purposes, 2016 was the first year of the Stitt rebuild. Coaches like Gregorak were let go, and new players like Jensen, McGee, Toure, Akem, Calhoun(s), etc. were brought in.

2016 was a rough year, and then the 2017 team had to deal with losing senior QB Phillips early in the season. That was a young team, with a redshirt freshman QB forced into action. They were learning to compete but dropped close games against EWU, Weber, and Bozeman.

The 2017 team was far more competitive than 2016, but despite being a young team on the rise, Bobby’s boosters pushed Stitt out to bring Hauck back. All before most of Stitt’s core recruits were even Juniors.

Hauck then did a giant U-turn with the program in 2018. And now, Hauck 2.0’s fifth season, the Griz program is basically back to where it was when Delaney retired in 2014, only now Bozeman is much, much better.

And the fact remains, Hauck 2.0 still has as many wins in four Brawls as Stitt did in three (Stitt is still the last Griz coach to win in Bozeman). The Griz have no conference titles in the Hauck 2.0 era. And their playoff resume is mediocre 3-3.

Again, I’m not interested in re-hashing this entire Stitt debate. My point is that Griz fans went from “return to dominance at all cost” to being satisfied with a return to 2014 mediocrity. And I'm genuinely curious why Hauck's not being held to the same standard as his predecessor.

I appreciate a lot of what you are saying, though I won't go back through all of your history. I get that you are feeling like Stitt got a short shift and didn't get the chance to see his rebuild through. I think that would be a fair argument to make from Stitt and anyone who supports him. I am not contesting you on the fact that he did not get to see his recruiting classes come to fruition. That is just factually correct.

But I'm asking what the standard is that you are referencing? You say that Hauck is not being held to the same standard, but what exactly is that standard?

Since Hauck came back, the Griz have been ranked higher every year and had more success every year than they did in Stitt's last year. I don't know what metric you are using to set the bar for this standard that you are referencing.

If you have disappointments in Hauck, his scheme, recruitment, whatever it may be, that is okay. There are things I wish for too. But I am being genuine with you when I am asking what standard you are referencing to compare the two coaches.

I don’t know all of the metrics Haslam used to justify not renewing Stitt’s contract. And I’m not going to transcribe the press conference I was referencing. If you genuinely what to know, listen for yourself.

But every job has a set of expecations that need to be met. If somone doesn’t meet those expecations, they don’t keep their job. Hopefully you can accept that basic premise.

And I do know that Kent mentioned several expectations throughout the QnA session, specifically winning conference championships. He listed a few others as well, but was quick to say Stitt had done those things.

Losing to the Cats was apparently the last straw, but Stitt only lost by 7 points in 2016 and 8 points in 2017. Hauck 2.0 was also 1-2 vs. Bozeman in his first three Brawls, losing by 4 in 2018 and 34 in 2019. He also lost again by 34 points in 2022.

You should also note that Hauck’s first year back was not better (6-5) than Stitt’s final year (7-4). And depsite Hauck having an additional season, plus a covid year to develop his players, he’s won as many conference championships as Stitt in the middle of a rebuild.

For these reasons, I think it’s very clear that Haslam is holding Hauck to a different set of expecations than he did Stitt.

https://youtu.be/9Y3eK_ON0-s?si=O-nkAmjDRhJ7gHZS

 

[mthoopsfan]

We don’t have any losses. That’s my point. Look at the thread and early posts.

I don’t make excuses for losses, but occasionally explain why. An explanation is not an excuse. If no you don’t think Johnson’s injury impacted the SS and Weber games, and his torn ligament impacted the last half of the 2022 season, then I don’t know what to say to you.

I have never said any loss or any poor
Result was good enough. Not once in my entire life. I am more competitive and have a bigger winking attitude than virtually anyone on the board. That’s what made me successful in college football and life.

I played football on a 14th ranked D-I team. We won the lambert Trophy ahead of Penn St one year. I was unanimous first team all conference. I lost 2 games during my 4-year college career, one of which I was hurt for. I always think my team can win. I never give up.

You understand football, but not as much as you think. I doubt you played on a top D-I team. I doubt I you know much about play-calling either. But tell us about how you would have called the plays

If you want to debate, let’s debate.

Are you saying that you have to play D1to be an expert on college football? What if you played D2? You don't have football knowledge of you didn't play college?

Be care with your answers counselor, as you are in a corner. Before your answer any of them, Did Hauck play D1 football, or any college football?

Nope. I have never said or thought that. But I can tell that some people like you never played the game.

Why do you think some people try to undercut and diminish Griz wins? Why are some people unable to see ir unwilling to admit that Ferris was a good team and had some terrific players? Posters have said Ferris has produced more NFL players than the Griz or Cats. Are saying a D-2 school can’t do that.

Show us some football knowledge, Mr. Never Played the Game.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Johnson stays healthy last year and we drop the Idaho game and maybe MSU. Johnson gets zero credit for how good he was, so I'm thinking most don't know what they are looking at maybe they wait for Herder, Haley or Fans Nation to tell em

Johnson was very good. Not to discredit him. I think a healthy Johnson would have got us a win at Suck St., Weber, and probably Idaho (off the rumors that he was sick during the game). That being said, he wasn’t healthy and I feel we were ill prepared for that to happen and we should have been. I don’t feel we gave KB the tools or opportunity that is best for him to lead the team when it mattered. I think he has the capability and is a tremendous kid with more grit and character than anyone on this board, including me, for putting up with all the criticism and staying devoted to his team. Do I think he’s our best quarterback right now or then? No. But, I digress.

Reality, Johnson wasn’t healthy and we weren’t prepared for that adequately enough to win games. Neither here nor there at this point.

Johnson also played the last part-half season with torn ligament. That’s why he kept going down in games.

Not being nearly as good without Johnson is not the same as not being prepared to win without him. Two completely different points. And what you just said about Johnson is not an excuse. It is an explanation of what occurred. Most knowledgeable football fans agree with you, in my opinion.

Why do you say Brown didn’t have enough coach support last year? He played fairly well in 2021. I assume you don’t think the support was taken away in 2022? Or changed?

I like Brown too. Another High-Flying Hawk. He will go far in life. My kind of guy.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I don’t make excuses for losses,

except for.... "our QB was hurt" all last year!!!...... good lord hoops, do you even think before you post??

That’s an explanation, not an excuse. There’s a difference.

If Mellott and Chambers both go down, do you not think that will impact your season? Are 49ers fans just making excuses if they say losing their starting in last playoff game impacted their game?

Good lord, are you really this dumb?

 

[uofmman1122]

I appreciate a lot of what you are saying, though I won't go back through all of your history. I get that you are feeling like Stitt got a short shift and didn't get the chance to see his rebuild through. I think that would be a fair argument to make from Stitt and anyone who supports him. I am not contesting you on the fact that he did not get to see his recruiting classes come to fruition. That is just factually correct.

But I'm asking what the standard is that you are referencing? You say that Hauck is not being held to the same standard, but what exactly is that standard?

Since Hauck came back, the Griz have been ranked higher every year and had more success every year than they did in Stitt's last year. I don't know what metric you are using to set the bar for this standard that you are referencing.

If you have disappointments in Hauck, his scheme, recruitment, whatever it may be, that is okay. There are things I wish for too. But I am being genuine with you when I am asking what standard you are referencing to compare the two coaches.

Losing to the Cats was apparently the last straw, but Stitt only lost by 7 points in 2016 and 8 points in 2017. Hauck 2.0 was also 1-2 vs. Bozeman in his first three Brawls, losing by 4 in 2018 and 34 in 2019. He also lost again by 34 points in 2022.

A 7-point loss to a 4-7 team and an 8-point loss to a 5-6 team is not the same as a 4-point loss to an 8-5 team and a 34-point loss to a national semifinal team that went 11-4.

Stitt also beat a 5-6 cats team in 2015, while Hauck beat the national runner up team that went 12-3 in 2021.

Even with their Brawl records, Bobby should have a lot more rope to work with than Bob did.

It's not a different standard, Bobby has just done a better job.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I appreciate a lot of what you are saying, though I won't go back through all of your history. I get that you are feeling like Stitt got a short shift and didn't get the chance to see his rebuild through. I think that would be a fair argument to make from Stitt and anyone who supports him. I am not contesting you on the fact that he did not get to see his recruiting classes come to fruition. That is just factually correct.

But I'm asking what the standard is that you are referencing? You say that Hauck is not being held to the same standard, but what exactly is that standard?

Since Hauck came back, the Griz have been ranked higher every year and had more success every year than they did in Stitt's last year. I don't know what metric you are using to set the bar for this standard that you are referencing.

If you have disappointments in Hauck, his scheme, recruitment, whatever it may be, that is okay. There are things I wish for too. But I am being genuine with you when I am asking what standard you are referencing to compare the two coaches.

I don’t know all of the metrics Haslam used to justify not renewing Stitt’s contract. And I’m not going to transcribe the press conference I was referencing. If you genuinely what to know, listen for yourself.

But every job has a set of expecations that need to be met. If somone doesn’t meet those expecations, they don’t keep their job. Hopefully you can accept that basic premise.

And I do know that Kent mentioned several expectations throughout the QnA session, specifically winning conference championships. He listed a few others as well, but was quick to say Stitt had done those things.

Losing to the Cats was apparently the last straw, but Stitt only lost by 7 points in 2016 and 8 points in 2017. Hauck 2.0 was also 1-2 vs. Bozeman in his first three Brawls, losing by 4 in 2018 and 34 in 2019. He also lost again by 34 points in 2022.

You should also note that Hauck’s first year back was not better (6-5) than Stitt’s final year (7-4). And depsite Hauck having an additional season, plus a covid year to develop his players, he’s won as many conference championships as Stitt in the middle of a rebuild.

For these reasons, I think it’s very clear that Haslam is holding Hauck to a different set of expecations than he did Stitt.

https://youtu.be/9Y3eK_ON0-s?si=O-nkAmjDRhJ7gHZS

Oh, BS. Stitt was not renewed after not making playoffs and dropping to about 33d in post-Season poll ranking. He was not liked by many supporters and former players. He was not helpful in raising money for athletics. He was not comfortable in alumni settings. John Edwards once told me he had never met Stitt. Wouldn’t you think Stitt would at least call a former national champ qb, from a big donor family who had a box at Griz stadium. Hauck has huge supporter/donor support. By the end, Stitt had had almost no support. Again, I knew and liked Stitt personally. He would come to my big annual Missoula party. He wasn’t the right guy for UM.

Mining must be so removed from Griz athletics and big supporters that he can’t see this.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Are you saying that you have to play D1to be an expert on college football? What if you played D2? You don't have football knowledge of you didn't play college?

Be care with your answers counselor, as you are in a corner. Before your answer any of them, Did Hauck play D1 football, or any college football?

Nope. I have never said or thought that. But I can tell that some people like you never played the game.

Why do you think some people try to undercut and diminish Griz wins? Why are some people unable to see ir unwilling to admit that Ferris was a good team and had some terrific players? Posters have said Ferris has produced more NFL players than the Griz or Cats. Are saying a D-2 school can’t do that.

Show us some football knowledge, Mr. Never Played the Game.

You definitely infer it in a variety of posts, as you just did in this reply.

So I guess, Bobby shouldn’t be coaching, since he never played the game in college, correct? Your shtick of you never played the game carries zero weight

I attended UND in the early to mid 80’s, watching NDSU kick ours and everyone’s else asses, then watched more as I raised my kids in Fargo for 25 before moving back to Montana 6 years ago. As a used car manager I supplied cars to NDSU athletics, which included many lunches with Gene Taylor, the AD, during the transition to D1 sports. I know plenty about D2 football. Griz connection, yes. My wife ran the Griz party with an ex-Griz football player, who became a good friend, for Cat/Griz parties in Fargo. He calls me for my opinion on teams, because I watch 10 plus games a week across FCS. Good enough for you. Didn’t play college, but neither did Bobby.

By the way I picked Ferris to beat the Griz, calling it a coin flip, the mod Peyton didn’t like it and called me out. Look under the Ferris Scouting Report, September 14 5:28 pm

 

[mthoopsfan]

Do you not know that the recipient “infers”, not
the sender. As I thought, you are either not educated or not smart.

Again, being able to see that some people obviously
didn’t play the game, and don’t understand it, has nothing to with coaching or Bobby. Zero.

Sorry, but watching football is not the same as playing football, especially at the college level, or understanding football. You are proof of my point and too oblivious to
even understand.

You may be a nice enough guy, but you don’t understand the game. Picking Ferris over the Griz at home is a ln example that you don’t know the game.

 

[Spanky2]

I appreciate a lot of what you are saying, though I won't go back through all of your history. I get that you are feeling like Stitt got a short shift and didn't get the chance to see his rebuild through. I think that would be a fair argument to make from Stitt and anyone who supports him. I am not contesting you on the fact that he did not get to see his recruiting classes come to fruition. That is just factually correct.

But I'm asking what the standard is that you are referencing? You say that Hauck is not being held to the same standard, but what exactly is that standard?

Since Hauck came back, the Griz have been ranked higher every year and had more success every year than they did in Stitt's last year. I don't know what metric you are using to set the bar for this standard that you are referencing.

If you have disappointments in Hauck, his scheme, recruitment, whatever it may be, that is okay. There are things I wish for too. But I am being genuine with you when I am asking what standard you are referencing to compare the two coaches.

I don’t know all of the metrics Haslam used to justify not renewing Stitt’s contract. And I’m not going to transcribe the press conference I was referencing. If you genuinely what to know, listen for yourself.

But every job has a set of expecations that need to be met. If somone doesn’t meet those expecations, they don’t keep their job. Hopefully you can accept that basic premise.

And I do know that Kent mentioned several expectations throughout the QnA session, specifically winning conference championships. He listed a few others as well, but was quick to say Stitt had done those things.

Losing to the Cats was apparently the last straw, but Stitt only lost by 7 points in 2016 and 8 points in 2017. Hauck 2.0 was also 1-2 vs. Bozeman in his first three Brawls, losing by 4 in 2018 and 34 in 2019. He also lost again by 34 points in 2022.

You should also note that Hauck’s first year back was not better (6-5) than Stitt’s final year (7-4). And depsite Hauck having an additional season, plus a covid year to develop his players, he’s won as many conference championships as Stitt in the middle of a rebuild.

For these reasons, I think it’s very clear that Haslam is holding Hauck to a different set of expecations than he did Stitt.

https://youtu.be/9Y3eK_ON0-s?si=O-nkAmjDRhJ7gHZS

Stitt is long gone and didn’t make the grade at Montana. We have a good coach in Bobby Hauck. Try supporting him.

 

[kemajic]

I don’t know all of the metrics Haslam used to justify not renewing Stitt’s contract. And I’m not going to transcribe the press conference I was referencing. If you genuinely what to know, listen for yourself.

But every job has a set of expecations that need to be met. If somone doesn’t meet those expecations, they don’t keep their job. Hopefully you can accept that basic premise.

And I do know that Kent mentioned several expectations throughout the QnA session, specifically winning conference championships. He listed a few others as well, but was quick to say Stitt had done those things.

Losing to the Cats was apparently the last straw, but Stitt only lost by 7 points in 2016 and 8 points in 2017. Hauck 2.0 was also 1-2 vs. Bozeman in his first three Brawls, losing by 4 in 2018 and 34 in 2019. He also lost again by 34 points in 2022.

You should also note that Hauck’s first year back was not better (6-5) than Stitt’s final year (7-4). And depsite Hauck having an additional season, plus a covid year to develop his players, he’s won as many conference championships as Stitt in the middle of a rebuild.

For these reasons, I think it’s very clear that Haslam is holding Hauck to a different set of expecations than he did Stitt.

https://youtu.be/9Y3eK_ON0-s?si=O-nkAmjDRhJ7gHZS

Oh, BS. Stitt was not renewed after not making playoffs and dropping to about 33d in post-Season poll ranking. He was not liked by many supporters and former players. He was not helpful in raising money for athletics. He was not comfortable in alumni settings. John Edwards once told me he had never met Stitt. Wouldn’t you think Stitt would at least call a former national champ qb, from a big donor family who had a box at Griz stadium. Hauck has huge supporter/donor support. By the end, Stitt had had almost no support. Again, I knew and liked Stitt personally. He would come to my big annual Missoula party. He wasn’t the right guy for UM.

Mining must be so removed from Griz athletics and big supporters that he can’t see this.

Also a little known fact is that Haslam was prepared to extend Stitt one year, but not the 3 years that Stitt demanded. Stitt's ego would not accept a one year extension and Griz Nation would not accept a 3 year extension, so the talks broke down and he was gone. I guess Stitt figured the offers would come pouring in.

 

[uptopgriz]

Oh, BS. Stitt was not renewed after not making playoffs and dropping to about 33d in post-Season poll ranking. He was not liked by many supporters and former players. He was not helpful in raising money for athletics. He was not comfortable in alumni settings. John Edwards once told me he had never met Stitt. Wouldn’t you think Stitt would at least call a former national champ qb, from a big donor family who had a box at Griz stadium. Hauck has huge supporter/donor support. By the end, Stitt had had almost no support. Again, I knew and liked Stitt personally. He would come to my big annual Missoula party. He wasn’t the right guy for UM.

Mining must be so removed from Griz athletics and big supporters that he can’t see this.

Also a little known fact is that Haslam was prepared to extend Stitt one year, but not the 3 years that Stitt demanded. Stitt's ego would not accept a one year extension and Griz Nation would not accept a 3 year extension, so the talks broke down and he was gone. I guess Stitt figured the offers would come pouring in.

Its true that he was offered a one-year deal, but he was also told to clean house with his defensive coaches and that's what ended the negotiations.

 

[kemajic]

Also a little known fact is that Haslam was prepared to extend Stitt one year, but not the 3 years that Stitt demanded. Stitt's ego would not accept a one year extension and Griz Nation would not accept a 3 year extension, so the talks broke down and he was gone. I guess Stitt figured the offers would come pouring in.

Its true that he was offered a one-year deal, but he was also told to clean house with his defensive coaches and that's what ended the negotiations.

That had to happen. His DC that he brought along was a disaster.

 

[uptopgriz]

Its true that he was offered a one-year deal, but he was also told to clean house with his defensive coaches and that's what ended the negotiations.

That had to happen. His DC that he brought along was a disaster.

Agreed.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Do you not know that the recipient “infers”, not
the sender. As I thought, you are either not educated or not smart.

Again, being able to see that some people obviously
didn’t play the game, and don’t understand it, has nothing to with coaching or Bobby. Zero.

Sorry, but watching football is not the same as playing football, especially at the college level, or understanding football. You are proof of my point and too oblivious to
even understand.

You may be a nice enough guy, but you don’t understand the game. Picking Ferris over the Griz at home is a ln example that you don’t know the game.

You infer people have zero knowledge yet you are put in your place by every poster

 

[retiredpopo]

Its true that he was offered a one-year deal, but he was also told to clean house with his defensive coaches and that's what ended the negotiations.

That had to happen. His DC that he brought along was a disaster.

too bad he had a good DC in TG when he came here. Of course stitts ego was too big and did not like that TG was popular in the locker room...so he had to go.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

Losing to the Cats was apparently the last straw, but Stitt only lost by 7 points in 2016 and 8 points in 2017. Hauck 2.0 was also 1-2 vs. Bozeman in his first three Brawls, losing by 4 in 2018 and 34 in 2019. He also lost again by 34 points in 2022.

A 7-point loss to a 4-7 team and an 8-point loss to a 5-6 team is not the same as a 4-point loss to an 8-5 team and a 34-point loss to a national semifinal team that went 11-4.

Stitt also beat a 5-6 cats team in 2015, while Hauck beat the national runner up team that went 12-3 in 2021.

Even with their Brawl records, Bobby should have a lot more rope to work with than Bob did.

It's not a different standard, Bobby has just done a better job.

You’re literally saying there is a differnet standard and making excuses for Bobby, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

And the points you make in an attempt to dismiss the one-possession losses in the Brawl that Stitt’s young teams had, while excusing Bobby’s embarassing performances with experienced teams brings up a very good point.

Similiar to Stitt, Choate’s first few seasons weren’t great from an overall record perspective. It pains me to say it, but Bozeman’s athletic department and fans are actually smarter than Montana’s AD and fans.

They didn’t chase Choate out of town and run back to Rob Ashe three years later only to end up being mediocre little brother again. They supported thier new coach and his staff while they worked through the growing pains and completed his rebuild. And by the time thier intial set of freshmen were seniors, they were playing in Frisco. They are better off because they focused on the long-term vision.

While far too many Griz fans are content to cheer when the Griz visions has some old timer talking about a Griz-Cat win from back in the 90’s or early 2000’s. It’s beyond frustrating that so many Griz fans are stuck in the past…

The only thing Bobby has done better is playing politics with the influential boosters. Well that and coaching special teams. I’m not fan of BH any longer, but he’s a helluva special teams coordinator. I’m looking forward to when he is back coaching special teams in the Mountain West.

 

[uofmman1122]

A 7-point loss to a 4-7 team and an 8-point loss to a 5-6 team is not the same as a 4-point loss to an 8-5 team and a 34-point loss to a national semifinal team that went 11-4.

Stitt also beat a 5-6 cats team in 2015, while Hauck beat the national runner up team that went 12-3 in 2021.

Even with their Brawl records, Bobby should have a lot more rope to work with than Bob did.

It's not a different standard, Bobby has just done a better job.

You’re literally saying there is a differnet standard and making excuses for Bobby, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

I'm simply stating facts.

Sounds like you're the one letting your feelings get in the way here.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

That had to happen. His DC that he brought along was a disaster.

too bad he had a good DC in TG when he came here. Of course stitts ego was too big and did not like that TG was popular in the locker room...so he had to go.

That’s not true either. TG was a cancer. He was upset that he was passed over when Stitt was hired, then worked to divide the locker room during challenging times throughout the season. He’s a very immature guy, which is why Choate eventually let him go too.

But keep crapping on Stitt. That’s what the Hauck apologists/cult members do best.

 

[mthoopsfan]

That had to happen. His DC that he brought along was a disaster.

too bad he had a good DC in TG when he came here. Of course stitts ego was too big and did not like that TG was popular in the locker room...so he had to go.

I was the first to recommend TG to Stitt and said he should hire TG. This started about 10 days before the announcement.

 

[MiningCityGrizFan]

Stitt is long gone and didn’t make the grade at Montana. We have a good coach in Bobby Hauck. Try supporting him.

You’re half right. But no, BH isn’t a good coach, he’s a very average coach that is a very good poltician. And UM’s football program under his leadership hasn’t returned to dominance.

* They lose to the cats 75% of the time.
* They lost the Little Brown Stein as soon as Idaho made a coaching change.
* They don’t win conference championships.
* When they make the playoffs, they win one home game and then lose on the road.
* They’ve never made it to the semi-finals, much less Frisco.
* They’ve been to the quartfinals only once, which was a very poor showing at JMU.

Btw, I’m a 10+ year season ticket holder. And I travel to many of their away games. So I support the program, which is precisely why I don’t support BH.

He’s arrogant and he’s entitled (Did you know he pushed to add Robby to his coaching staff? Not as a grad assistant, as a DL coach?), he’s not loyal (Did you know he applied to coach Bozeman State after getting passed over for Stitt?), and he treats his players like garbage.

Unlike the those who put BH above the program, I’m holding him to the same high standards that Griz football used to represent.