Is it time for coaching changes at Montana ?

[BrownBear9501]

Mellott was by far best player. However i think two of the next best were a freshman and a sophomore. I wish Taco was a griz and it if i remember right he wanted to be but the griz didn’t want his brother

Sounds about right…..just like the Griz didn’t want Mellott either or Rylan Ortt…..SMH

 

[PTGrizzly]

He dominated the game. Made the Griz safeties look like little kids. Mellott was average yesterday. If he plays like he did yesterday they have no chance of winning against quality teams.

The TD pass to their TE and the long pass to Taco were anything but average.

Watch the game, ignore the stats. Jones doesn’t run for that many without the threat of Tommy on the field.

 

[PTGrizzly]

The Cats had the best player on the field and he was a freshman.

Not even close, but continue showing your ignorance.

 

[HikeGlacier]

Not even close, but continue showing your ignorance.

Yep, the freshman who rushed for nearly 200 yards wasn't the best player on the field. Talk about demonstrating your ignorance.

 

[MTGRIZ12]

I say Bobby is a good head coach, but I don’t understand the poor play calling by Pease today.

every game....early on the defense struggled but the offense was putting up a lot of points. Now the D has figured it out and the Pease we all know has shown back up and looks so vanilla using his tecmo bowl playbook....that is a huge need to change. I also personally think Bobby has lost the lockerroom.

 

[grizfnz]

Sounds about right…..just like the Griz didn’t want Mellott either or Rylan Ortt…..SMH

Mellot was wanted, just not as a qb.

 

[retiredpopo]

Jones looked very good no doubt. He had a couple runs with no yards but picked up several 1st downs and a short yard td.

The TD pass to their TE and the long pass to Taco were anything but average.

Watch the game, ignore the stats. Jones doesn’t run for that many without the threat of Tommy on the field.

100% correct.

 

[GrizProtocol]

When every RB on your team looks good.

It's not the RBs

 

[HikeGlacier]

When every RB on your team looks good.

It's not the RBs

All might look good, but one looked dominant. The 88-yard run resulted from him pounding the D the whole game.

 

[Lord Vigo]

This is moot, because UM isn't firing Hauck a year after a run to the Natty. He's a good coach. The Griz could do much, much worse and I think the pathway to finding someone better is pretty narrow.

In my opinion, the piece he hasn't figured out is the in-state recruiting. In his first stint with UM, the Griz could have virtually any player from Montana that they wanted. The Cats have flipped that dynamic and tend to have more of the best in-state players.

I think that's the gap that causes him to lean so hard on the portal. And when you lean hard on the portal, especially getting drop-downs with only 1-2 seasons of eligibility left, it's hard to sustain success over the long term because you're having to take an educated guess about how the players will translate and sometimes you miss.

 

[mthoopsfan]

This is moot, because UM isn't firing Hauck a year after a run to the Natty. He's a good coach. The Griz could do much, much worse and I think the pathway to finding someone better is pretty narrow.

In my opinion, the piece he hasn't figured out is the in-state recruiting. In his first stint with UM, the Griz could have virtually any player from Montana that they wanted. The Cats have flipped that dynamic and tend to have more of the best in-state players.

I think that's the gap that causes him to lean so hard on the portal. And when you lean hard on the portal, especially getting drop-downs with only 1-2 seasons of eligibility left, it's hard to sustain success over the long term because you're having to take an educated guess about how the players will translate and sometimes you miss.

Talking players from portal who have multiple years of college experience and tape is much
less of an educated guess than taking high school kids. I don’t agree that the Cats are cleaning up in-state.

 

[HikeGlacier]

This is moot, because UM isn't firing Hauck a year after a run to the Natty. He's a good coach. The Griz could do much, much worse and I think the pathway to finding someone better is pretty narrow.

In my opinion, the piece he hasn't figured out is the in-state recruiting. In his first stint with UM, the Griz could have virtually any player from Montana that they wanted. The Cats have flipped that dynamic and tend to have more of the best in-state players.

I think that's the gap that causes him to lean so hard on the portal. And when you lean hard on the portal, especially getting drop-downs with only 1-2 seasons of eligibility left, it's hard to sustain success over the long term because you're having to take an educated guess about how the players will translate and sometimes you miss.

You are correct. It won't happen until the stands are half empty. If you watched the Portland State game, you saw that beginning. It will be more evident this Saturday on national TV.

 

[Lord Vigo]

Talking players from portal who have multiple years of college experience and tape is much
less of an educated guess than taking high school kids. I don’t agree that the Cats are cleaning up in-state.

It doesn't matter if you agree. It's happening. It was evident on the field yesterday and this year's high school class is the most pronounced one yet.

You're right about the transfer thing if you're comparing it to starting true freshmen. That's not the comparison.

If you recruit a kid and coach/develop him for multiple seasons, let him get live reps in some situations, etc. you have a much better idea of how they will perform in a given role compared to a transfer. Doesn't mean the portal isn't useful-- it's an absolute necessity. But Hauck has to lean on it too hard.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Bobby is just like Pete Carroll--he doesn't think linemen are all that important

I would argue it is John Schneider more than Pete Carroll.

 

[Griz til I die]

This is moot, because UM isn't firing Hauck a year after a run to the Natty. He's a good coach. The Griz could do much, much worse and I think the pathway to finding someone better is pretty narrow.

In my opinion, the piece he hasn't figured out is the in-state recruiting. In his first stint with UM, the Griz could have virtually any player from Montana that they wanted. The Cats have flipped that dynamic and tend to have more of the best in-state players.

I think that's the gap that causes him to lean so hard on the portal. And when you lean hard on the portal, especially getting drop-downs with only 1-2 seasons of eligibility left, it's hard to sustain success over the long term because you're having to take an educated guess about how the players will translate and sometimes you miss.

There have been some years in his second stint where we’ve had a stronger in state class. It’s kid of swing back and forth the last handful of years IMO.

I certainly don’t think that will be the case this year though. Mihelish is a great get for the Griz but beyond that it’s kinda thin. I like our out of state guys this year though. Lot of really good players there, and they’re definitely gonna hit the portal for receivers and probably LB and Safeties.

 

[Lord Vigo]

There have been some years in his second stint where we’ve had a stronger in state class. It’s kid of swing back and forth the last handful of years IMO.

I certainly don’t think that will be the case this year though. Mihelish is a great get for the Griz but beyond that it’s kinda thin. I like our out of state guys this year though. Lot of really good players there, and they’re definitely gonna hit the portal for receivers and probably LB and Safeties.

When I look at the current teams and where the highly impactful Montana born players are, regardless of any particular recruiting class, it seems to me that there are more in Bozeman by a good margin.

For instance, if/when Perkins is healthy, The Cats will be starting four Montana born OL.

Do you feel differently? I’m open to the opposite dynamic being pointed out to me.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Talking players from portal who have multiple years of college experience and tape is much
less of an educated guess than taking high school kids. I don’t agree that the Cats are cleaning up in-state.

I don’t disagree, but what’s your take on this scenario? You get to choose one QB:

Player A: Great Montana AA QB. Rewrote the record books playing Montana AA competition;

Player B: Saw very limited time for a mid FBS team for a couple years. Didn’t have compelling FBS offers in the portal, so dropped to UM; or

Player C: Played HS in the Trinity League (or similar). Didn’t get great FBS offers, but doesn’t want to sit on the bench for 2-3 years. You know he’ll likely bail to the portal eventually, but you get a guy who may be ready on day one of year one or two due to him facing competition more equivalent to the FCS.

I guess the problem (opportunity) with the portal is, if an FBS guy is good, he’d likely not fall to UM because he doesn’t have to sit out these days. In a sentence: I think Ochs would’ve landed at another FBS program if he transferred from CU today, not UM.

 

[Griz til I die]

When I look at the current teams and where the highly impactful Montana born players are, regardless of any particular recruiting class, it seems to me that there are more in Bozeman by a good margin.

For instance, if/when Perkins is healthy, The Cats will be starting four Montana born OL.

Do you feel differently? I’m open to the opposite dynamic being pointed out to me.

It definitely varies by position too. Some of our most talented players ever are LB’s from MT. That’s not the case this year but it has been for that past 20 years up to this point.

 

[PTGrizzly]

I don’t disagree, but what’s your take on this scenario? You get to choose one QB:

Player A: Great Montana AA QB. Rewrote the record books playing Montana AA competition;

Player B: Saw very limited time for a mid FBS team for a couple years. Didn’t have compelling FBS offers in the portal, so dropped to UM; or

Player C: Played HS in the Trinity League (or similar). Didn’t get great FBS offers, but doesn’t want to sit on the bench for 2-3 years. You know he’ll likely bail to the portal eventually, but you get a guy who may be ready on day one of year one or two due to him facing competition more equivalent to the FCS.

I guess the problem (opportunity) with the portal is, if an FBS guy is good, he’d likely not fall to UM because he doesn’t have to sit out these days. In a sentence: I think Ochs would’ve landed at another FBS program if he transferred from CU today, not UM.

I know this is cheating, but I’d take C and A. Hopefully start C and develop A until C transfers.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I don’t disagree, but what’s your take on this scenario? You get to choose one QB:

Player A: Great Montana AA QB. Rewrote the record books playing Montana AA competition;

Player B: Saw very limited time for a mid FBS team for a couple years. Didn’t have compelling FBS offers in the portal, so dropped to UM; or

Player C: Played HS in the Trinity League (or similar). Didn’t get great FBS offers, but doesn’t want to sit on the bench for 2-3 years. You know he’ll likely bail to the portal eventually, but you get a guy who may be ready on day one of year one or two due to him facing competition more equivalent to the FCS.

I guess the problem (opportunity) with the portal is, if an FBS guy is good, he’d likely not fall to UM because he doesn’t have to sit out these days. In a sentence: I think Ochs would’ve landed at another FBS program if he transferred from CU today, not UM.

Well player A is really a LB or S...