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Is Bobby on the hot seat??

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HelenaHandBasket said:
Copper Griz said:
Montana has the best facilities in all of FCS. The best fan base as well. No reason they shouldn’t be out recruiting everyone in the conference. The school programs and educational opportunities may be a detractor, but minimally. Hauck got Montana into the playoffs last year. This year? Maybe and it would be an accomplishment with all the injuries and departures. He needs to find a new OC and fast. That seems to be clear, even with rose colored glasses on.

I don't think facilities and fan base are in the top 3 reasons a kid will commit to a school.
It might be in the top 3, but I don't know any recruit that has it #1. While Missoulians love their city, a kid we want from the LA area says, "Montana?" Is that in the USA?. How cold is it there?" This just in, our location is only occasionally a positive, often it is a negative. Stadium aside, our facilities are good, but don't blow away everyone else in the conf. The CA schools have bigger advantages with more prospects close by.
 
kemajic said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
I don't think facilities and fan base are in the top 3 reasons a kid will commit to a school.
It might be in the top 3, but I don't know any recruit that has it #1. While Missoulians love their city, a kid we want from the LA area says, "Montana?" Is that in the USA?. How cold is it there?" This just in, our location is only occasionally a positive, often it is a negative. Stadium aside, our facilities are good, but don't blow away everyone else in the conf. The CA schools have bigger advantages with more prospects close by.

Good points.
 
Copper Griz said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
I don't think facilities and fan base are in the top 3 reasons a kid will commit to a school.

They absolutely are. You are telling me the Champions Center isn’t a recruiting tool? Fans in the stands when a recruit watches on TV or visits? Come on. Give me the top three then. Coaches? Sure. Programs? Sure. Geography. Nope. Maybe dollars now with the new rules, but probably not in FCS. Tradition - kind of goes hand in hand with facilities and fan base. Schemes, playing style - fall under coaching in my opinion. Playing time and starting right away. Maybe, but that might be the wrong recruit.


I would suggest that the past 5-7 years is pretty good evidence that the facilities and fan base aren't on the top of reasons. Winning, schemes, location, and academics are right at the top.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Copper Griz said:
They absolutely are. You are telling me the Champions Center isn’t a recruiting tool? Fans in the stands when a recruit watches on TV or visits? Come on. Give me the top three then. Coaches? Sure. Programs? Sure. Geography. Nope. Maybe dollars now with the new rules, but probably not in FCS. Tradition - kind of goes hand in hand with facilities and fan base. Schemes, playing style - fall under coaching in my opinion. Playing time and starting right away. Maybe, but that might be the wrong recruit.


I would suggest that the past 5-7 years is pretty good evidence that the facilities and fan base aren't on the top of reasons. Winning, schemes, location, and academics are right at the top.

If your theory is correct, then MSU should be outperforming about everyone in the conference. Their scheme is questionable. Everything else isn’t. The last 5-7 years at U of M is evidence of ineptitude. Facilities, scheme and fan base have kept U of M competitive. Academic programs haven’t.
 
Copper Griz said:
Montana has the best facilities in all of FCS. The best fan base as well. No reason they shouldn’t be out recruiting everyone in the conference. The school programs and educational opportunities may be a detractor, but minimally. Hauck got Montana into the playoffs last year. This year? Maybe and it would be an accomplishment with all the injuries and departures. He needs to find a new OC and fast. That seems to be clear, even with rose colored glasses on.
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School might be a “detractor”.

I know it’s wild, but some of these kids are wise enough to have a master plan, and football is a way of accomplishing that. Unlike some on this board may think, FCS football in Missoula isn’t the end all be all of life.

You probably have the best facility in FCS. I love taking in games in Missoula. However, your fanbase isn’t what it was 20 years ago. Hell, 15 years ago. So I’m not so sure about that statement. You have great fans for sure, evidenced on this board. But how a guy could make that statement coming off the fan support last weekend is beyond me.

Though I know you’ll be in full force your next home game.
 
So, you're telling me that an African American kid from CA or WA has academics as one of his top priorities for choosing a school to play football? Every one of these kids who are good enough to play at the FCS level have the goal of playing in the NFL. Academics are way down the list for many of these kids. Montana used to put many more players into the NFL than any other Big Sky school. But we don't do it any longer, which is a direct indictment of how far down our recruiting has fallen, even though most will not admit it.

Kem suggests that our location in Missoula, Montana is a detriment to recruiting out-of state kids. While CA kids might say "where is Montana?", I am sure those same kids might say "where is Cheney?", or "where is Cedar City?".

Recruiting kids from Texas and Florida doesn't seem to be a problem for North Dakota State, and Fargo is certainly way behind Missoula as a "frozen tundra" location.

You can't tell me that a recruit who is visiting a game at UM, SUU, or EWU, does not come away thinking that the facilities, and game-day experience at UM blows the same away at SUU or EWU.
 
There are many different reasons a student-athlete decides to attend a particular university as follows:
1-coach
2-conference
3-location
4-school
Fan base isn’t a reason. If the student is a first rate athlete and hopes to play in the NFL, he will want to attend a FBS school. If he is a borderline FBS/FCS candidate, he may eventually decide on a FCS school. Most student-athletes will seek the opinion of parents and high school coaches before a final decision is made.
 
Copper Griz said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
I would suggest that the past 5-7 years is pretty good evidence that the facilities and fan base aren't on the top of reasons. Winning, schemes, location, and academics are right at the top.

If your theory is correct, then MSU should be outperforming about everyone in the conference. Their scheme is questionable. Everything else isn’t. The last 5-7 years at U of M is evidence of ineptitude. Facilities, scheme and fan base have kept U of M competitive. Academic programs haven’t.

Isn't MSU at the top of the standings? :?: :?: :?:
 
hunt-ducks said:
So, you're telling me that an African American kid from CA or WA has academics as one of his top priorities for choosing a school to play football? Every one of these kids who are good enough to play at the FCS level have the goal of playing in the NFL. Academics are way down the list for many of these kids. Montana used to put many more players into the NFL than any other Big Sky school. But we don't do it any longer, which is a direct indictment of how far down our recruiting has fallen, even though most will not admit it.

Kem suggests that our location in Missoula, Montana is a detriment to recruiting out-of state kids. While CA kids might say "where is Montana?", I am sure those same kids might say "where is Cheney?", or "where is Cedar City?".

Recruiting kids from Texas and Florida doesn't seem to be a problem for North Dakota State, and Fargo is certainly way behind Missoula as a "frozen tundra" location.

You can't tell me that a recruit who is visiting a game at UM, SUU, or EWU, does not come away thinking that the facilities, and game-day experience at UM blows the same away at SUU or EWU.

Pretty sure that I never said that the facilities don't play a part, but did say it probably isn't a top 3 reason for most kids. Not every kid is the same, but winning and coaching (scheme) are probably the top 2 for sure. As for location, it isn't necessarily about Missoula or Cheney or Cedar City, it is about how close they are to family or a girlfriend that can come into a decision. As for academics, just as many kids will pick a school based on what they are interested in studying as they are to base it on facilities. And if you notice, fan base isn't close to amongst these other reasons. So can facilities give a recruiting advantage...yes, but it is minuscule to what most Griz fans believe it to be.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Copper Griz said:
If your theory is correct, then MSU should be outperforming about everyone in the conference. Their scheme is questionable. Everything else isn’t. The last 5-7 years at U of M is evidence of ineptitude. Facilities, scheme and fan base have kept U of M competitive. Academic programs haven’t.

Isn't MSU at the top of the standings? :?: :?: :?:

They have had the Griz's number.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Copper Griz said:
If your theory is correct, then MSU should be outperforming about everyone in the conference. Their scheme is questionable. Everything else isn’t. The last 5-7 years at U of M is evidence of ineptitude. Facilities, scheme and fan base have kept U of M competitive. Academic programs haven’t.

Isn't MSU at the top of the standings? :?: :?: :?:
Their last appearance in the chipper was 37 years ago.
 
kemajic said:
AZGrizFan said:
Isn't MSU at the top of the standings? :?: :?: :?:
Their last appearance in the chipper was 37 years ago.

Understood. But he was talking about CONFERENCE performance....MSU has been at/near the top for several years now....
 
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