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Instant vs Gradual Offense

Would you rather install a new offense immediately or gradually?

  • Install immediately in 1st year (Like Stitt did)

    Votes: 40 88.9%
  • Gradual installment

    Votes: 5 11.1%

  • Total voters
    45
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
I think its different with Stitt because he was brought in here to run HIS highly publicized offense....its what he is known for around the country....

I think we woulda been up in arms if he gradully tried implementing it....

when you have a non exciting wet blanket offense like the cats are going to run...slow a steady wins the sky i suppose.


Highly publicized offense, he was a step above a high school coach in Golden Colorado with a fifteen year modest record, nothing more nothing less.

I like most hope for the best to come, perhaps it will, then again maybe not, however let's leave the reality distortion field, live in reality and wait and see if coach Stitt is what we hope for him to become, because if not disappointment will not lead to major disappointment.

At what point will you be willing to move beyond the bolded above?

Last season, as a division 1 coach, Stitt led the Griz as they:
1. Upset NDSU in the opening game.
2. Won key games down the stretch.
3. Earned a playoff birth.
4. Won in the first round.

He did this while installing a new offense, using three different QBs behind a mediocre offensive line, and managing a drama-queen DC pretty effectively. This year, some are picking the Griz to win the BSC and many think they are a top 10-15 team in the FCS - certainly a near lock for another playoff birth and home game. Some think this year's Griz can get as far as the national semi-finals.

I don't know how this season will turn out, but do you really still think he's just a step above a Colorado HS Coach?
 
SoldierGriz said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
I think its different with Stitt because he was brought in here to run HIS highly publicized offense....its what he is known for around the country....

I think we woulda been up in arms if he gradully tried implementing it....

when you have a non exciting wet blanket offense like the cats are going to run...slow a steady wins the sky i suppose.


Highly publicized offense, he was a step above a high school coach in Golden Colorado with a fifteen year modest record, nothing more nothing less.

I like most hope for the best to come, perhaps it will, then again maybe not, however let's leave the reality distortion field, live in reality and wait and see if coach Stitt is what we hope for him to become, because if not disappointment will not lead to major disappointment.

At what point will you be willing to move beyond the bolded above?

Last season, as a division 1 coach, Stitt led the Griz as they:
1. Upset NDSU in the opening game.
2. Won key games down the stretch.
3. Earned a playoff birth.
4. Won in the first round.

He did this while installing a new offense, using three different QBs behind a mediocre offensive line, and managing a drama-queen DC pretty effectively. This year, some are picking the Griz to win the BSC and many think they are a top 10-15 team in the FCS - certainly a near lock for another playoff birth and home game. Some think this year's Griz can get as far as the national semi-finals.

I don't know how this season will turn out, but do you really still think he's just a step above a Colorado HS Coach?


Simple question, opinionated answer, YES
Hope for him to prove me wrong in the next two years with his athletes, not with athletes he inherited, then there will be no doubt in any minds, RIGHT

One more thing, you don't hesitate to point out the fantastic open game victory in the opening game with NDSU, and fail to point out the humiliation of the rematch.
 
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
I think its different with Stitt because he was brought in here to run HIS highly publicized offense....its what he is known for around the country....

I think we woulda been up in arms if he gradully tried implementing it....

when you have a non exciting wet blanket offense like the cats are going to run...slow a steady wins the sky i suppose.


Highly publicized offense, he was a step above a high school coach in Golden Colorado with a fifteen year modest record, nothing more nothing less.

I like most hope for the best to come, perhaps it will, then again maybe not, however let's leave the reality distortion field, live in reality and wait and see if coach Stitt is what we hope for him to become, because if not disappointment will not lead to major disappointment.


Ok bud...lets try not to be the cocksplat that you are.....and yes his offense was highly publicized whether you like it or not.....thats why big time D1 coaches from all over the country had him come in to their camps and teach them a little about it......

Now I'm not going to dig up all the articles, if you want to find them they are out there and readily available...Stitt was a well known and still is a well known comodity in the college coaching world.....whether you like the guy or not.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
I think its different with Stitt because he was brought in here to run HIS highly publicized offense....its what he is known for around the country....

I think we woulda been up in arms if he gradully tried implementing it....

when you have a non exciting wet blanket offense like the cats are going to run...slow a steady wins the sky i suppose.


Highly publicized offense, he was a step above a high school coach in Golden Colorado with a fifteen year modest record, nothing more nothing less.

I like most hope for the best to come, perhaps it will, then again maybe not, however let's leave the reality distortion field, live in reality and wait and see if coach Stitt is what we hope for him to become, because if not disappointment will not lead to major disappointment.


Ok bud...lets try not to be the cocksplat that you are.....and yes his offense was highly publicized whether you like it or not.....thats why big time D1 coaches from all over the country had him come in to their camps and teach them a little about it......

Now I'm not going to dig up all the articles, if you want to find them they are out there and readily available...Stitt was a well known and still is a well known comodity in the college coaching world.....whether you like the guy or not.

I know, he was such a well know commodity, that is why he ended up at the UM, we beat out all those FBS schools that were in persuit of him.

I know you are passionate, however, could you also be civil.
 
spsyk said:
SoldierGriz said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
I think its different with Stitt because he was brought in here to run HIS highly publicized offense....its what he is known for around the country....

I think we woulda been up in arms if he gradully tried implementing it....

when you have a non exciting wet blanket offense like the cats are going to run...slow a steady wins the sky i suppose.


Highly publicized offense, he was a step above a high school coach in Golden Colorado with a fifteen year modest record, nothing more nothing less.

I like most hope for the best to come, perhaps it will, then again maybe not, however let's leave the reality distortion field, live in reality and wait and see if coach Stitt is what we hope for him to become, because if not disappointment will not lead to major disappointment.

At what point will you be willing to move beyond the bolded above?

Last season, as a division 1 coach, Stitt led the Griz as they:
1. Upset NDSU in the opening game.
2. Won key games down the stretch.
3. Earned a playoff birth.
4. Won in the first round.

He did this while installing a new offense, using three different QBs behind a mediocre offensive line, and managing a drama-queen DC pretty effectively. This year, some are picking the Griz to win the BSC and many think they are a top 10-15 team in the FCS - certainly a near lock for another playoff birth and home game. Some think this year's Griz can get as far as the national semi-finals.

I don't know how this season will turn out, but do you really still think he's just a step above a Colorado HS Coach?


Simple question, opinionated answer, YES
Hope for him to prove me wrong in the next two years with his athletes, not with athletes he inherited, then there will be no doubt in any minds, RIGHT

One more thing, you don't hesitate to point out the fantastic open game victory in the opening game with NDSU, and fail to point out the humiliation of the rematch.

Blemishes for sure...NDSU in the playoffs...loss at home to Weber. I get it. I just disagree with your assessment of Stitt right now. You think he's just a bit better than a HS coach. I think he's an improving D1 coach taking the Griz back to where they belong.
 
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
I think its different with Stitt because he was brought in here to run HIS highly publicized offense....its what he is known for around the country....

I think we woulda been up in arms if he gradully tried implementing it....

when you have a non exciting wet blanket offense like the cats are going to run...slow a steady wins the sky i suppose.


Highly publicized offense, he was a step above a high school coach in Golden Colorado with a fifteen year modest record, nothing more nothing less.

I like most hope for the best to come, perhaps it will, then again maybe not, however let's leave the reality distortion field, live in reality and wait and see if coach Stitt is what we hope for him to become, because if not disappointment will not lead to major disappointment.


Ok bud...lets try not to be the cocksplat that you are.....and yes his offense was highly publicized whether you like it or not.....thats why big time D1 coaches from all over the country had him come in to their camps and teach them a little about it......

Now I'm not going to dig up all the articles, if you want to find them they are out there and readily available...Stitt was a well known and still is a well known comodity in the college coaching world.....whether you like the guy or not.

I know, he was such a well know commodity, that is why he ended up at the UM, we beat out all those FBS schools that were in persuit of him.

I know you are passionate, however, could you also be civil.


I dont have patients for stupidity....he was pursued by D1 schools as an O coordinator ...he wanted HC.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
Highly publicized offense, he was a step above a high school coach in Golden Colorado with a fifteen year modest record, nothing more nothing less.

I like most hope for the best to come, perhaps it will, then again maybe not, however let's leave the reality distortion field, live in reality and wait and see if coach Stitt is what we hope for him to become, because if not disappointment will not lead to major disappointment.


Ok bud...lets try not to be the cocksplat that you are.....and yes his offense was highly publicized whether you like it or not.....thats why big time D1 coaches from all over the country had him come in to their camps and teach them a little about it......

Now I'm not going to dig up all the articles, if you want to find them they are out there and readily available...Stitt was a well known and still is a well known comodity in the college coaching world.....whether you like the guy or not.

I know, he was such a well know commodity, that is why he ended up at the UM, we beat out all those FBS schools that were in persuit of him.

I know you are passionate, however, could you also be civil.


I dont have patience for stupidity....he was pursued by D1 schools as an O coordinator ...he wanted HC.

FIFY. :geek:
 
get'em_griz said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
Ok bud...lets try not to be the cocksplat that you are.....and yes his offense was highly publicized whether you like it or not.....thats why big time D1 coaches from all over the country had him come in to their camps and teach them a little about it......

Now I'm not going to dig up all the articles, if you want to find them they are out there and readily available...Stitt was a well known and still is a well known comodity in the college coaching world.....whether you like the guy or not.

I know, he was such a well know commodity, that is why he ended up at the UM, we beat out all those FBS schools that were in persuit of him.

I know you are passionate, however, could you also be civil.


I dont have patience for stupidity....he was pursued by D1 schools as an O coordinator ...he wanted HC.

FIFY. :geek:

much appreciated lol
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
Highly publicized offense, he was a step above a high school coach in Golden Colorado with a fifteen year modest record, nothing more nothing less.

I like most hope for the best to come, perhaps it will, then again maybe not, however let's leave the reality distortion field, live in reality and wait and see if coach Stitt is what we hope for him to become, because if not disappointment will not lead to major disappointment.


Ok bud...lets try not to be the cocksplat that you are.....and yes his offense was highly publicized whether you like it or not.....thats why big time D1 coaches from all over the country had him come in to their camps and teach them a little about it......

Now I'm not going to dig up all the articles, if you want to find them they are out there and readily available...Stitt was a well known and still is a well known comodity in the college coaching world.....whether you like the guy or not.

I know, he was such a well know commodity, that is why he ended up at the UM, we beat out all those FBS schools that were in persuit of him.

I know you are passionate, however, could you also be civil.


I dont have patients for stupidity....he was pursued by D1 schools as an O coordinator ...he wanted HC.

This may appear stupid to you, although can you provide which schools that UM was in competition with for the services of coach Stitt, or was it a divine intervention
 
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
Ok bud...lets try not to be the cocksplat that you are.....and yes his offense was highly publicized whether you like it or not.....thats why big time D1 coaches from all over the country had him come in to their camps and teach them a little about it......

Now I'm not going to dig up all the articles, if you want to find them they are out there and readily available...Stitt was a well known and still is a well known comodity in the college coaching world.....whether you like the guy or not.

I know, he was such a well know commodity, that is why he ended up at the UM, we beat out all those FBS schools that were in persuit of him.

I know you are passionate, however, could you also be civil.


I dont have patients for stupidity....he was pursued by D1 schools as an O coordinator ...he wanted HC.

This may appear stupid to you, although can you provide which schools that UM was in competition with for the services of coach Stitt, or was it a divine intervention

Do you honestly think it's realistic for a coach who could potentially land an FBS gig that pays AT LEAST twice as much as the UM job does to choose us over that? That appears pretty stupid to me.
 
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
Ok bud...lets try not to be the cocksplat that you are.....and yes his offense was highly publicized whether you like it or not.....thats why big time D1 coaches from all over the country had him come in to their camps and teach them a little about it......

Now I'm not going to dig up all the articles, if you want to find them they are out there and readily available...Stitt was a well known and still is a well known comodity in the college coaching world.....whether you like the guy or not.

I know, he was such a well know commodity, that is why he ended up at the UM, we beat out all those FBS schools that were in persuit of him.

I know you are passionate, however, could you also be civil.


I dont have patients for stupidity....he was pursued by D1 schools as an O coordinator ...he wanted HC.

This may appear stupid to you, although can you provide which schools that UM was in competition with for the services of coach Stitt, or was it a divine intervention

All I know is that hes had other coaching opportunities presented to him, he wanted HC....I'm sure the more connected Egrizers could chime in and help you here...in the meanwhile...here is an article from USA Today...some would consider it to be a high publicized producer of stories....maybe not you??

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/29/bob-stitt-fly-sweep-colorado-school-of-mines-college-football-offense/1659819/
 
Htowngriz said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
I know, he was such a well know commodity, that is why he ended up at the UM, we beat out all those FBS schools that were in persuit of him.

I know you are passionate, however, could you also be civil.


I dont have patients for stupidity....he was pursued by D1 schools as an O coordinator ...he wanted HC.

This may appear stupid to you, although can you provide which schools that UM was in competition with for the services of coach Stitt, or was it a divine intervention

Do you honestly think it's realistic for a coach who could potentially land an FBS gig that pays AT LEAST twice as much as the UM job does to choose us over that? That appears pretty stupid to me.

That is where divine intervention comes in.
 
Htowngriz said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
I know, he was such a well know commodity, that is why he ended up at the UM, we beat out all those FBS schools that were in persuit of him.

I know you are passionate, however, could you also be civil.


I dont have patients for stupidity....he was pursued by D1 schools as an O coordinator ...he wanted HC.

This may appear stupid to you, although can you provide which schools that UM was in competition with for the services of coach Stitt, or was it a divine intervention

Do you honestly think it's realistic for a coach who could potentially land an FBS gig that pays AT LEAST twice as much as the UM job does to choose us over that? That appears pretty stupid to me.


Yes I can...if it is more important to that person that he is the HC and not an assistant..and that he is able to display a team that is exactly how he wants it to be displayed.....If he thinks to himself that making close to 200k is much more than enough for the time being to live in beautiful Missoula....If that perfect place has a better fan base and nicer facilities than many D1 programs.....all while planning on being at that school for 5-6 years before the Pac-12 or Mountain West offers him the head coaching position that hes always wanted all along.......

Ya I could see it being pretty freaking realistic.

Anymore stupid fucking questions???
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
spsyk said:
I know, he was such a well know commodity, that is why he ended up at the UM, we beat out all those FBS schools that were in persuit of him.

I know you are passionate, however, could you also be civil.


I dont have patients for stupidity....he was pursued by D1 schools as an O coordinator ...he wanted HC.

This may appear stupid to you, although can you provide which schools that UM was in competition with for the services of coach Stitt, or was it a divine intervention

All I know is that hes had other coaching opportunities presented to him, he wanted HC....I'm sure the more connected Egrizers could chime in and help you here...in the meanwhile...here is an article from USA Today...some would consider it to be a high publicized producer of stories....maybe not you??

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/29/bob-stitt-fly-sweep-colorado-school-of-mines-college-football-offense/1659819/

That is the one article that created all the mysticism and cult of coach Stitt, however creating no job offers, not even from his mentor, Joe Glenn.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
Htowngriz said:
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
I dont have patients for stupidity....he was pursued by D1 schools as an O coordinator ...he wanted HC.

This may appear stupid to you, although can you provide which schools that UM was in competition with for the services of coach Stitt, or was it a divine intervention

Do you honestly think it's realistic for a coach who could potentially land an FBS gig that pays AT LEAST twice as much as the UM job does to choose us over that? That appears pretty stupid to me.


Yes I can...if it is more important to that person that he is the HC and not an assistant..and that he is able to display a team that is exactly how he wants it to be displayed.....If he thinks to himself that making close to 200k is much more than enough for the time being to live in beautiful Missoula....If that perfect place has a better fan base and nicer facilities than many D1 programs.....all while planning on being at that school for 5-6 years before the Pac-12 or Mountain West offers him the head coaching position that hes always wanted all along.......

Ya I could see it being pretty freaking realistic.

Anymore stupid f***[*] questions???

I'm not referring specifically to Stitt, I'm asking spysk if he thinks we should be competing with FBS schools for HC candidates...
 
Htowngriz said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
Htowngriz said:
spsyk said:
This may appear stupid to you, although can you provide which schools that UM was in competition with for the services of coach Stitt, or was it a divine intervention

Do you honestly think it's realistic for a coach who could potentially land an FBS gig that pays AT LEAST twice as much as the UM job does to choose us over that? That appears pretty stupid to me.


Yes I can...if it is more important to that person that he is the HC and not an assistant..and that he is able to display a team that is exactly how he wants it to be displayed.....If he thinks to himself that making close to 200k is much more than enough for the time being to live in beautiful Missoula....If that perfect place has a better fan base and nicer facilities than many D1 programs.....all while planning on being at that school for 5-6 years before the Pac-12 or Mountain West offers him the head coaching position that hes always wanted all along.......

Ya I could see it being pretty freaking realistic.

Anymore stupid f***[*] questions???

I'm not referring specifically to Stitt, I'm asking spysk if he thinks we should be competing with FBS schools for HC candidates...


I know I'm just yelling at everyone because its Friday and I'm ready for an Old Fasioned!!!!
 
Htowngriz said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
Htowngriz said:
spsyk said:
This may appear stupid to you, although can you provide which schools that UM was in competition with for the services of coach Stitt, or was it a divine intervention

Do you honestly think it's realistic for a coach who could potentially land an FBS gig that pays AT LEAST twice as much as the UM job does to choose us over that? That appears pretty stupid to me.


Yes I can...if it is more important to that person that he is the HC and not an assistant..and that he is able to display a team that is exactly how he wants it to be displayed.....If he thinks to himself that making close to 200k is much more than enough for the time being to live in beautiful Missoula....If that perfect place has a better fan base and nicer facilities than many D1 programs.....all while planning on being at that school for 5-6 years before the Pac-12 or Mountain West offers him the head coaching position that hes always wanted all along.......

Ya I could see it being pretty freaking realistic.

Anymore stupid f***[*] questions???

I'm not referring specifically to Stitt, I'm asking spysk if he thinks we should be competing with FBS schools for HC candidates...

No I don't, however a coordinator could have been looked at, although should the UM be looking for a head coach from an obscure conference which School of Mines resides, I've always thought what UM has to offer could have done better.

Just my opinion.
 
spsyk said:
Htowngriz said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
Htowngriz said:
Do you honestly think it's realistic for a coach who could potentially land an FBS gig that pays AT LEAST twice as much as the UM job does to choose us over that? That appears pretty stupid to me.


Yes I can...if it is more important to that person that he is the HC and not an assistant..and that he is able to display a team that is exactly how he wants it to be displayed.....If he thinks to himself that making close to 200k is much more than enough for the time being to live in beautiful Missoula....If that perfect place has a better fan base and nicer facilities than many D1 programs.....all while planning on being at that school for 5-6 years before the Pac-12 or Mountain West offers him the head coaching position that hes always wanted all along.......

Ya I could see it being pretty freaking realistic.

Anymore stupid f***[*] questions???

I'm not referring specifically to Stitt, I'm asking spysk if he thinks we should be competing with FBS schools for HC candidates...

No I don't, however a coordinator could have been looked at, although should the UM be looking for a head coach from an obscure conference which School of Mines resides, I've always thought what UM has to offer could have done better.

Just my opinion.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but who on the short list do you think should have been hired instead of Stitt?
 
spsyk said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
All I know is that hes had other coaching opportunities presented to him, he wanted HC....I'm sure the more connected Egrizers could chime in and help you here...in the meanwhile...here is an article from USA Today...some would consider it to be a high publicized producer of stories....maybe not you??

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/29/bob-stitt-fly-sweep-colorado-school-of-mines-college-football-offense/1659819/

That is the one article that created all the mysticism and cult of coach Stitt, however creating no job offers, not even from his mentor, Joe Glenn.
No one had really heard of Stitt before the 2012 Orange Bowl; which was a blessing for Stitt as he was running a 6-5 record that year, not too hot in a second-rate conference composed of schools in many cases little larger than some Montana high schools. All of a sudden he was famous. Then he had a very good year in 2014; which was a boost to the "new legend." Not sure if that offset the 55-0 shellacking that Mines received a few years before at the hands of Chadron State, or being the perennial punching bag for Chadron State. You know, "offensive genius" and all that.

The new "Mines" coach had a better year in 2015 than the average of the prior four years under Stitt, interestingly enough, and far better than Stitt's first year at Mines, or his next four for that matter.

Stitt is now an experienced coach. He's in charge of a program that has its own momentum. Don Read did not arrive here with a particularly good record; it was mediocre. It is hard to imagine Don Read being hired at Montana now with his record.

By the way, why isn't something in all of these magnificent facilities named after Don Read?
 
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