Hopefully Good Enrollment News....

[grizpsych]

A 123% increase (if that was what was truly meant) is not mathematically ridiculous. For the sake of argument lets say 1/4 of the students are freshman (not true I know but go with me on this for a minute). The enrollment is somewhere below 12,000 but let's use that nice round number for this example. That means at least 3000 people applied last year. And let's say that desperate for students they accepted 100% which would mean exactly 3000 applications were submitted last year. A 123% more this year would mean 6,690 applications this year. Yes, that is huge but not impossible. That said, I suspect that they mean 123% of last year instead of 123% more than last year. Still, that is not what it says in the Missoulian... And THAT is my only point. I'm out.

But why would that many more people apply?

 

[flatbed]

you are all the pride of UM
:clap: :clap: :clap:

--great discussion, further research will be analyzed so stay tuned , A deeper dive will result in even more students applying at UM, lets not all argue, its unbecoming, this is great news, and each and everyone of you are outstanding people!!!

 

[grizpsych]

Man I need some clarification:

So a mathematician who uses percentages to calculate an answer is better off getting a 100 % raise in pay than a statistican. The math guy doubled his earnings and the stat guy earns the same as the prior year.

Funny thing about this.

As of 2011: Median salary for Math Professors = $66,680 per year (10 month contract)
https://work.chron.com/average-income-pay-scale-math-professor-9070.html

As of 2009: Median salary for Cognitive Psychology Professors = $76,090 per year (10 month contract)
https://work.chron.com/cognitive-psychologist-job-description-17172.html

(Closest I could get from the same secondary source.)

I guess employers prefer someone that knows how to accurately discuss statistics. (This is tongue-in-cheek)

 

[stilwtrgrizz]

Who's on first?

Your quip wasn't lost on me anyway...This clip actually made me laugh, thanks for bringing it up !!! :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg

 

[Yukon]

I can't believe I'm still here reading.

 

[uofmman1122]

the number of acceptances has grown 333 percent this year compared to last year

Wow.

 

[grizpsych]

I can't believe I'm still here reading.

Shoot. You may be interested in this then.

https://etd.ohiolink.edu/rws_etd/document/get/kent1373572972/inline

.pdf link

 

[signedbewildered]

A 123% increase (if that was what was truly meant) is not mathematically ridiculous. For the sake of argument lets say 1/4 of the students are freshman (not true I know but go with me on this for a minute). The enrollment is somewhere below 12,000 but let's use that nice round number for this example. That means at least 3000 people applied last year. And let's say that desperate for students they accepted 100% which would mean exactly 3000 applications were submitted last year. A 123% more this year would mean 6,690 applications this year. Yes, that is huge but not impossible. That said, I suspect that they mean 123% of last year instead of 123% more than last year. Still, that is not what it says in the Missoulian... And THAT is my only point. I'm out.

But why would that many more people apply?

If the question is why would so many more kids apply this year than in recent (previous) years it is because the computer system was essentially broken. It was showing that U of M was following up on inquiries when in fact, all the prospective student heard in reply was crickets.

That is fixed now. Last year we were getting inaccurate data.

 

[mtgriz]

The base number is key. If it is just the start of application season, a 123% increase from let’s say just 40 apps = 90 apps so far this year. Totally believable. Too bad Keila is not an egrizzer, it would have saved another 17 page thread.

 

[grizpsych]

A 123% increase (if that was what was truly meant) is not mathematically ridiculous. For the sake of argument lets say 1/4 of the students are freshman (not true I know but go with me on this for a minute). The enrollment is somewhere below 12,000 but let's use that nice round number for this example. That means at least 3000 people applied last year. And let's say that desperate for students they accepted 100% which would mean exactly 3000 applications were submitted last year. A 123% more this year would mean 6,690 applications this year. Yes, that is huge but not impossible. That said, I suspect that they mean 123% of last year instead of 123% more than last year. Still, that is not what it says in the Missoulian... And THAT is my only point. I'm out.

But why would that many more people apply?

If the question is why would so many more kids apply this year than in recent (previous) years it is because the computer system was essentially broken. It was showing that U of M was following up on inquiries when in fact, all the prospective student heard in reply was crickets.

That is fixed now. Last year we were getting inaccurate data.

Agreed that data management was fixed. But, applicants would not know that. So why, as others think 123% means, would that double applications? Presumably the 123% reflects an apples versus apples comparison. If it doesn't, then there are likely no more kids applying than last year and we should not expect a change in enrollment.

Edit: Or are you writing that twice as many people applying this year versus last is solely explained by additional follow up with potential students?

 

[grizpsych]

The base number is key. If it is just the start of application season, a 123% increase from let’s say just 40 apps = 90 apps so far this year. Totally believable. Too bad Keila is not an egrizzer, it would have saved another 17 page thread.

That is not believable either. What small change in recruitment would cause a doubling of the effect, regardless of number? Also, we presumably have about 2500 to 3000 Freshman.

Of course. 50 applicants this year versus 40 last year would be believable statistically.

 

[signedbewildered]

The base number is key. If it is just the start of application season, a 123% increase from let’s say just 40 apps = 90 apps so far this year. Totally believable. Too bad Keila is not an egrizzer, it would have saved another 17 page thread.

I was going to attempt to determine how far along we were on the way to reaching seventeen pages but I've never played the math game.... obviously.

If we are at 4.8 pages right now would a 254.1667 percent increase mean that we hit 17?

I would say I'm asking for a friend but I honestly don't have a clue and would love to know.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

A 123% increase (if that was what was truly meant) is not mathematically ridiculous. For the sake of argument lets say 1/4 of the students are freshman (not true I know but go with me on this for a minute). The enrollment is somewhere below 12,000 but let's use that nice round number for this example. That means at least 3000 people applied last year. And let's say that desperate for students they accepted 100% which would mean exactly 3000 applications were submitted last year. A 123% more this year would mean 6,690 applications this year. Yes, that is huge but not impossible. That said, I suspect that they mean 123% of last year instead of 123% more than last year. Still, that is not what it says in the Missoulian... And THAT is my only point. I'm out.

But why would that many more people apply?

If the question is why would so many more kids apply this year than in recent (previous) years it is because the computer system was essentially broken. It was showing that U of M was following up on inquiries when in fact, all the prospective student heard in reply was crickets.

That is fixed now. Last year we were getting inaccurate data.

But did they get the correct Montana university on the media this year???

 

[mtgriz]

The base number is key. If it is just the start of application season, a 123% increase from let’s say just 40 apps = 90 apps so far this year. Totally believable. Too bad Keila is not an egrizzer, it would have saved another 17 page thread.

That is not believable either. What small change in recruitment would cause a doubling of the effect, regardless of number? Also, we presumably have about 2500 to 3000 Freshman.

I saw a news report a couple weeks ago that the high schools in Helena had a first time application event whereby each student could apply to one of the U-System’s units for a $0 application fee. It may have been across the state but I don’t remember that detail.

 

[grizpsych]

The base number is key. If it is just the start of application season, a 123% increase from let’s say just 40 apps = 90 apps so far this year. Totally believable. Too bad Keila is not an egrizzer, it would have saved another 17 page thread.

I was going to attempt to determine how far along we were on the way to reaching seventeen pages but I've never played the math game.... obviously.

If we are at 4.8 pages right now would a 254.1667 percent increase mean that we hit 17?

I would say I'm asking for a friend but I honestly don't have a clue and would love to know.

(4/17) * 100 = 23.53% of the way to 17 pages.

By the way, 1 page equals a full page. So, we are currently less than four pages (unless this post puts us over the top).

 

[grizpsych]

The base number is key. If it is just the start of application season, a 123% increase from let’s say just 40 apps = 90 apps so far this year. Totally believable. Too bad Keila is not an egrizzer, it would have saved another 17 page thread.

That is not believable either. What small change in recruitment would cause a doubling of the effect, regardless of number? Also, we presumably have about 2500 to 3000 Freshman.

I saw a news report a couple weeks ago that the high schools in Helena had a first time application event whereby each student could apply to one of the U-System’s units for a $0 application fee. It may have been across the state but I don’t remember that detail.

Could be either. But only makes sense for the other side of this argument if that means that about 4000 more students have applied this year than last year.

 

[mtgriz]

The base number is key. If it is just the start of application season, a 123% increase from let’s say just 40 apps = 90 apps so far this year. Totally believable. Too bad Keila is not an egrizzer, it would have saved another 17 page thread.

I was going to attempt to determine how far along we were on the way to reaching seventeen pages but I've never played the math game.... obviously.

If we are at 4.8 pages right now would a 254.1667 percent increase mean that we hit 17?

I would say I'm asking for a friend but I honestly don't have a clue and would love to know.

(4/17) * 100 = 23.53% of the way to 17 pages.

By the way, 1 page equals a full page. So, we are currently less than four pages (unless this post puts us over the top).

It’s like timekeeping in soccer. Once we get past the 16 minute mark of a game, we are in the 17th minute. This is getting fun!

 

[Ursa Major]

Oh, and this is once again proof positive that we will argue about -- quite literally -- ANYthing on eGriz.

:clap: :clap: :lol:

 

[poiuyter]

2017 6,182 applicants, 5,749(93%) accepted, 1,223(21%) enrolled in 2018.

 

[grizpsych]

The base number is key. If it is just the start of application season, a 123% increase from let’s say just 40 apps = 90 apps so far this year. Totally believable. Too bad Keila is not an egrizzer, it would have saved another 17 page thread.

I was going to attempt to determine how far along we were on the way to reaching seventeen pages but I've never played the math game.... obviously.

If we are at 4.8 pages right now would a 254.1667 percent increase mean that we hit 17?

I would say I'm asking for a friend but I honestly don't have a clue and would love to know.

(4/17) * 100 = 23.53% of the way to 17 pages.

By the way, 1 page equals a full page. So, we are currently less than four pages (unless this post puts us over the top).

It’s like timekeeping in soccer. Once we get past the 16 minute mark of a game, we are in the 17th minute. This is getting fun!

I love this. How old were you when you were born? were you 1 year old? Or did you have to wait 12 months before people said you were 1?