Hauck contract

[argh!]

i didn't like stitt. i also don't like intellectual laziness.

How do you live with yourself?

avoiding you would help, i suppose.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Which coach lost the very good starting qb for two tough road games, and teams who were seeded and ranked no. 9 in seeding; and whose qb had a torn PCL for the rest of the season; and whose team didn't have a backup that played very well. Stitt's backup came in a played relatively well, if not very well. Jensen threw at 60%, had the same passing efficiency as Phillips and threw 20 TD passes. He had 6 rushing TD's too. Compare that to Brown and the other guy. Still took him to FBS. No one had it way worse than last year, in my view.

Self inflicted, to be sure. But hey, let's give him a pass, right?

Nothing was self-inflicted.

 

[argh!]

oh c'mon greenie, you were a big phillips fan, and said many times he was way better than the other qbs, which he was - just look at the washington game. the griz were overmatched, etc, but his skill and leadership were obvious. you emphasized this yourself. jensen wasn't in the ballpark compared to phillips, and you know it. now you are minimizing his loss? right...

otherwise, i hope you enjoyed vietnam. it's like visiting china twenty years ago - the infrastructure and economy isn't 'there' yet, but the people are open, friendly, and optimistic (for the most part, people are people, after all...)

Somewhat true, but my point was that Jensen performed way better than the Griz backups last year. There wasn't as big of drop off with Jensen. I thought Brown would do better last season.

Went to Saigon twice, and Mekong Delta. Great tour guide. Queenie. Went to Thailand and Cambodia too. Stayed in all very fancy hotels, where my friend had booked. Executive floor. Cars. Had visa problem coming into Saigon and got hung up for several hours in middle of night, as Korean Air helped me get an emergency visa. Typo in my middle name. Great trip. Much easier to navigate than Beijing. My Seattle nephew brought his Taiwanese girlfriend to a family wedding in MT last weekend. I sat next to her at dinner. A Bellevue high cheerleader several years ago and very pretty. Knew Peter N. and John K. from Bellevue high. Was conceived in Taiwan, but born in US. I thought of you. I told her you hated China.

jensen didn't have the skill to close the deal, the leadership needed for team success.

i don't hate china. it is a huge and beautiful country. i use zoom and talk to people in or from china or taiwan almost every day. what i hate is what the ccp has done to china, and the chinese people. taiwan is what china could have been. anyway, the subject is too complex to address in a post here. glad you enjoyed vietnam. i've never been to ho chi minh city, but have friends there who encourage me to visit. i am not a big fan of heat, though, and it is a tropical place. i could deal with ha noi ok, but that was in the 'winter'...

 

[Mousegriz]

if you are going to continually use the "it was because the qb was injured" excuse for hauck, you gotta use it for the guy you didn't like - he had it way worse. but you won't, and neither will most of the other die-hard hauck supporters.

Which coach lost the very good starting qb for two tough road games, and teams who were seeded and ranked no. 9 in seeding; and whose qb had a torn PCL for the rest of the season; and whose team didn't have a backup that played very well. Stitt's backup came in a played relatively well, if not very well. Jensen threw at 60%, had the same passing efficiency as Phillips and threw 20 TD passes. He had 6 rushing TD's too. Compare that to Brown and the other guy. Still took him to FBS. No one had it way worse than last year, in my view.

At least the Griz didn’t have to overcome any patented Johnson Fumble Sixes in those two tough road losses.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

How do you live with yourself?

avoiding you would help, i suppose.

Maybe. Good luck.

 

[argh!]

avoiding you would help, i suppose.

Maybe. Good luck.

you actually aren't that bad. we all let our biases show when posting. but again, i didn't like stitt, and so far hauck hasn't objectively been much better, using the big sky as the measuring stick. i choose the big sky because it hasn't changed as much as the top of the fcs has, with so many of the really good teams leaving.

it is almost a given these days that your first team qb will miss games, and i don't see why people give 6th place hauck a break when they didn't give 6th place (or whatever) stitt a break.

 

[uofmman1122]

Maybe. Good luck.

you actually aren't that bad. we all let our biases show when posting. but again, i didn't like stitt, and so far hauck hasn't objectively been much better, using the big sky as the measuring stick. i choose the big sky because it hasn't changed as much as the top of the fcs has, with so many of the really good teams leaving.

it is almost a given these days that your first team qb will miss games, and i don't see why people give 6th place hauck a break when they didn't give 6th place (or whatever) stitt a break.

This is just false, though.

Stitt finished his last two seasons in 8th and T-6th place (tied with the cats, who he lost to), losing to some truly horrible teams along the way. And if you don't just look at the Big Sky, it gets worse for him.

And I'm definitely not a Hauck die-hard. If he doesn't get it done this year, I think Haslam would be totally justified in trying to find someone else. I just can't let this comparison between our last two coaches go when it's clear who has done a better job.

 

[3-7-77]

oh c'mon greenie, you were a big phillips fan, and said many times he was way better than the other qbs, which he was - just look at the washington game. the griz were overmatched, etc, but his skill and leadership were obvious. you emphasized this yourself. jensen wasn't in the ballpark compared to phillips, and you know it. now you are minimizing his loss? right...

otherwise, i hope you enjoyed vietnam. it's like visiting china twenty years ago - the infrastructure and economy isn't 'there' yet, but the people are open, friendly, and optimistic (for the most part, people are people, after all...)

Somewhat true, but my point was that Jensen performed way better than the Griz backups last year. There wasn't as big of drop off with Jensen. I thought Brown would do better last season.

Went to Saigon twice, and Mekong Delta. Great tour guide. Queenie. Went to Thailand and Cambodia too. Stayed in all very fancy hotels, where my friend had booked. Executive floor. Cars. Had visa problem coming into Saigon and got hung up for several hours in middle of night, as Korean Air helped me get an emergency visa. Typo in my middle name. Great trip. Much easier to navigate than Beijing. My Seattle nephew brought his Taiwanese girlfriend to a family wedding in MT last weekend. I sat next to her at dinner. A Bellevue high cheerleader several years ago and very pretty. Knew Peter N. and John K. from Bellevue high. Was conceived in Taiwan, but born in US. I thought of you. I told her you hated China.

I wonder if QUEENIE had a speaking scene in "Full Metal Jacket."

 

[AZGrizFan]

you actually aren't that bad. we all let our biases show when posting. but again, i didn't like stitt, and so far hauck hasn't objectively been much better, using the big sky as the measuring stick. i choose the big sky because it hasn't changed as much as the top of the fcs has, with so many of the really good teams leaving.

it is almost a given these days that your first team qb will miss games, and i don't see why people give 6th place hauck a break when they didn't give 6th place (or whatever) stitt a break.

This is just false, though.

Stitt finished his last two seasons in 8th and T-6th place (tied with the cats, who he lost to), losing to some truly horrible teams along the way. And if you don't just look at the Big Sky, it gets worse for him.

And I'm definitely not a Hauck die-hard. If he doesn't get it done this year, I think Haslam would be totally justified in trying to find someone else. I just can't let this comparison between our last two coaches go when it's clear who has done a better job.

Is "being better" enough, though? PR wants to excuse away the 4 regular season losses last year due to injured starting QBs, while at the same time discounting the injuries (and lack of scholarships) that Stitt teams had to deal with. It's disingenuous.
I agree with the bolded sentence, BTW.

 

[uofmman1122]

This is just false, though.

Stitt finished his last two seasons in 8th and T-6th place (tied with the cats, who he lost to), losing to some truly horrible teams along the way. And if you don't just look at the Big Sky, it gets worse for him.

And I'm definitely not a Hauck die-hard. If he doesn't get it done this year, I think Haslam would be totally justified in trying to find someone else. I just can't let this comparison between our last two coaches go when it's clear who has done a better job.

Is "being better" enough, though? PR wants to excuse away the 4 regular season losses last year due to injured starting QBs, while at the same time discounting the injuries (and lack of scholarships) that Stitt teams had to deal with. It's disingenuous.
I agree with the bolded sentence, BTW.

In some ways the situations are similar, but in a lot of ways, they aren't. Bobby isn't out here losing to 4-7 Cal Poly, 5-6 NAU, or 4-7 MSU with his starting QB. I also don't think losing to 7-4 EWU, 7-4 MSU, and Top 5 ranked 9-2 Weber in 2017 is comparable to losing to #1 seed 11-0 Sac, 9-2 Weber and 10-1 #3 ranked MSU all on the road last year.

 

[garizzalies]

So, without its starting qb, UM lost 2 close games to SS and Weber. One seeded team and 1 that people believe was rated 9th. Lost to a semifinal team, plus a playoff team, Idaho. Those were the conference losses. Lost to a final team on the road. NDSU has only lost 1 home playoff game, ever.

UM ranked nos. 6 and 6 in the nation post-season in 2020 and 2021, and fell to 14th last season (due only to not having Johnson for the SS and Weber games). Only 4 FCS teams have had better average post-season rankings in the past 3 years. Besides those 4 teams, which FCS teams have been better than UM in the period of the last 3 years?

Won playoff games each of last 3 years.

if you are going to continually use the "it was because the qb was injured" excuse for hauck, you gotta use it for the guy you didn't like - he had it way worse. but you won't, and neither will most of the other die-hard hauck supporters.

Are you talking about the guy who is now out of the game slinging insurance or whatever?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Maybe. Good luck.

you actually aren't that bad. we all let our biases show when posting. but again, i didn't like stitt, and so far hauck hasn't objectively been much better, using the big sky as the measuring stick. i choose the big sky because it hasn't changed as much as the top of the fcs has, with so many of the really good teams leaving.

it is almost a given these days that your first team qb will miss games, and i don't see why people give 6th place hauck a break when they didn't give 6th place (or whatever) stitt a break.

I don't think most are excited about 6th place, but Stitt never won more games as HC of Montana than BH did last season. BH has (2) 10 win seasons prior. This is why BH gets the break that Stitt didn't.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

This is just false, though.

Stitt finished his last two seasons in 8th and T-6th place (tied with the cats, who he lost to), losing to some truly horrible teams along the way. And if you don't just look at the Big Sky, it gets worse for him.

And I'm definitely not a Hauck die-hard. If he doesn't get it done this year, I think Haslam would be totally justified in trying to find someone else. I just can't let this comparison between our last two coaches go when it's clear who has done a better job.

Is "being better" enough, though? PR wants to excuse away the 4 regular season losses last year due to injured starting QBs, while at the same time discounting the injuries (and lack of scholarships) that Stitt teams had to deal with. It's disingenuous.
I agree with the bolded sentence, BTW.

Being better is a start.

 

[Missoula223]

Stitt got fired with a 60% win record over 3 seasons and a 2-1 record vs the neighbors.

Hauck sits at 67% winning record and a 1-3 record vs the neighbors in his second tenure (did not include 2 spring games.

For the sake of argument, are these not similar? I want to reiterate that I am simply bored at work, am not advocating to BH to get canned, and am rooting for the grizzlies to win every game this fall.

My point is in the college football world, Haslem and UM are in a tough situation in terms of a new contract with Coach Hauck. I don’t believe BH currently has a contract offered to him, otherwise he would have signed it. There is nothing stopping him from negotiating another one following a successful season, and bigger schools would simply pay the small buyout that BH would get. What if we lose 5 games this fall? Do you sign him to a 3 year deal? Are fans okay with that? Are boosters? Not an easy position to be in.

 

[81Hog]

Stitt got fired with…a 2-1 record vs the neighbors.

1-2. Won in ‘15 and lost in ‘16 and ‘17.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Stitt got fired with a 60% win record over 3 seasons and a 2-1 record vs the neighbors.

Hauck sits at 67% winning record and a 1-3 record vs the neighbors in his second tenure (did not include 2 spring games.

For the sake of argument, are these not similar? I want to reiterate that I am simply bored at work, am not advocating to BH to get canned, and am rooting for the grizzlies to win every game this fall.

My point is in the college football world, Haslem and UM are in a tough situation in terms of a new contract with Coach Hauck. I don’t believe BH currently has a contract offered to him, otherwise he would have signed it. There is nothing stopping him from negotiating another one following a successful season, and bigger schools would simply pay the small buyout that BH would get. What if we lose 5 games this fall? Do you sign him to a 3 year deal? Are fans okay with that? Are boosters? Not an easy position to be in.

You don't know what you are talking about. Jeez, do you not know anyone close to the program or at the top of the athletic department. What you are saying and thinking is dead wrong. Why do so many people who know nothing not believe people who do know? How dumb is that.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Is "being better" enough, though? PR wants to excuse away the 4 regular season losses last year due to injured starting QBs, while at the same time discounting the injuries (and lack of scholarships) that Stitt teams had to deal with. It's disingenuous.
I agree with the bolded sentence, BTW.

In some ways the situations are similar, but in a lot of ways, they aren't. Bobby isn't out here losing to 4-7 Cal Poly, 5-6 NAU, or 4-7 MSU with his starting QB. I also don't think losing to 7-4 EWU, 7-4 MSU, and Top 5 ranked 9-2 Weber in 2017 is comparable to losing to #1 seed 11-0 Sac, 9-2 Weber and 10-1 #3 ranked MSU all on the road last year.

The Stitt and Hauck situations are very different. Stitt didn't even get to the playoffs his last year, let alone win 10 games twice. Stitt didn't lose 5 games to playoff teams, including 3 seeded teams and one rated 9th seed.

 

[Missoula223]

Stitt got fired with…a 2-1 record vs the neighbors.

1-2. Won in ‘15 and lost in ‘16 and ‘17.

Typo I apologize.

 

[mthoopsfan]

This is just false, though.

Stitt finished his last two seasons in 8th and T-6th place (tied with the cats, who he lost to), losing to some truly horrible teams along the way. And if you don't just look at the Big Sky, it gets worse for him.

And I'm definitely not a Hauck die-hard. If he doesn't get it done this year, I think Haslam would be totally justified in trying to find someone else. I just can't let this comparison between our last two coaches go when it's clear who has done a better job.

Is "being better" enough, though? PR wants to excuse away the 4 regular season losses last year due to injured starting QBs, while at the same time discounting the injuries (and lack of scholarships) that Stitt teams had to deal with. It's disingenuous.
I agree with the bolded sentence, BTW.

I have cited only 2 losses, SS and Weber, due to Johnson not playing. You sure don't know how to count for someone who claims to be a CFO of a multi-billion company.

 

[sdk.catfish]

argh!

you do know you are pretty much arguing against a brick wall, so to speak? i know, i know, i do it, too, but...

I know this advice wasn't directed at me but it is appropriate. It is just so frustrating that PR is gaslighting egriz to the max and doesn't get called out. There is no contract sitting on BH's desk that he won't sign. This is totally contradictory to what PR has posted before about him wanting to finish his career at UM. If there is a contract why doesn't he sign it? PR claimed that without a contract in the spring Griz wouldn't be able to recruit which proved to be false. He claims that Hauck has multiple job offers but won't provide any evidence of such. And if the Athletic Dept. is aware of those offers, which he advises us to contract, they must not be good enough to provide BH much leverage. Haslem has taken the correct path which is to wait and see what this seasson produces because a with another season like last there will be little support, even from the big donors and the new contract would have to be bought out. If the big donors have so much influence then why isn't the contract extended now. I don't wish ill on the guy but this is the 5th season and being just "slightly better than Stitt" isn't going to cut it. I've said this before but there are a hell of a lot of coaches out there, providing they are good managers and hire good assistants, that can go go 8-3 as a Griz coach when they schedul 3 cupcakes out of conference and the Big Sky is half have, half have not. You don't have to look any farther than Vigen to understand that a sixth choice can do very well in the Big Sky. I guess PR is just so annoying, and so devoid of any factual information on the present coaching situation, It just overflows into pissed off territory which is my issue and I kind of apologize.