Has Weber State been overlooked lately?

[putter]

Noname, I know EG, I've drank with EG, I've been drunk with EG on a bus filled with mormons (true story). You sir are no EG.

Your point is silly, the majority of mormons live outside the US.

Hahahahaha!! An absolute true story!! And a classic.

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Of all the ridiculous, off the wall, bigoted, bizarro crazy ass things that have been posted on eGriz in the past 13 years and 10 months, EG's comments broke the dam. Think about that. Just think about Alpha's and Steve Dill's posts alone.

NoName-- please don't make it another baker's dozen before you post again. I'm serious :thumb:

I wonder what Ronbo is doing these days?

and if you think Mormons don't drink you are naive ...

 

[bgbigdog]

EverettGriz what is the all-time series record? Montana 100 Weber 6?

You have never met a Mormon. They are lighter then your white mini-van you use, driving around Missoula, delivering Amazon packages. Go look at the Weber roster. Those dudes do not fit the profile.

Noname, I know EG, I've drank with EG, I've been drunk with EG on a bus filled with mormons (true story). You sir are no EG.

Your point is silly, the majority of mormons live outside the US.

It does sound like the underpinnings of a major motion picture - something in the genre of “The Hangover” perhaps. And with this one, there are unlimited sequels. :thumb:

 

[NoName]

I apologize for my last and only post ever. I will reword my comments.

I do not beleive the majority members of the Weber State football team belong to the majority relgion within the state of Utah. Also, due to the over series history Montana has not struggled which such argument from EG.

I will not apologize to Everettgriz's mini-van or the fact that he delivers packages for amazon on the weekends to the greater missoula area.

As for your beer drinking stories I do not believe you. Ursa and EG are the guys you take camping, and when you all go for a hike they stay behind and drink all your beer. Not the just the cheap stuff, they drink all the expensive shit your were going enjoy at the campfire. When you get back to camp they are sloshed, its only 2 p.m., and they say something like "I owe one. I promise I'll pay you back". But they never pay you back.

I'll be back in 13 years. I have to go sell my house and donate the excess profits to keep Jay Hill at Weber State for one more year.

 

[Grizzoola]

Jay Hill's name has popped up over on the UNLV board as a possible replacement for Tony Sanchez, who hasn't produced any better than Hauck did.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Jay Hill's name has popped up over on the UNLV board as a possible replacement for Tony Sanchez, who hasn't produced any better than Hauck did.

That job is coaching suicide

 

[Ursa Major]

I apologize for my last and only post ever. I will reword my comments.

I do not beleive the majority members of the Weber State football team belong to the majority relgion within the state of Utah. Also, due to the over series history Montana has not struggled which such argument from EG.

I will not apologize to Everettgriz's mini-van or the fact that he delivers packages for amazon on the weekends to the greater missoula area.

As for your beer drinking stories I do not believe you. Ursa and EG are the guys you take camping, and when you all go for a hike they stay behind and drink all your beer. Not the just the cheap stuff, they drink all the expensive shit your were going enjoy at the campfire. When you get back to camp they are sloshed, its only 2 p.m., and they say something like "I owe one. I promise I'll pay you back". But they never pay you back.

I'll be back in 13 years. I have to go sell my house and donate the excess profits to keep Jay Hill at Weber State for one more year.

:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[grizpaws]

For hell sakes, again with the missionary thing?

It is just another position, but probably not my top pick.

Good one

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I wonder what Ronbo is doing these days?

Losing his ass in the silver market?

 

[ilovethecats]

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Missionaries dont have 24 7 access to the gym while they are on missions. In fact they have very few freedoms. Maybe they ride a bike or do a lot of walking but most have access to cars now.

Statements like yours do nothing to hide your ignorance

I understand why as a Weber fan you’d get annoyed at these comments. Notice EG didn’t say the ONLY reason Weber is good is because the age of the players. But the fact you got so defensive about it tells me even you know there’s truth to it.

No one said anything about these kids only being in a gym when they are on missions. But I can assure you they’re not just sitting around eating bon bons either. They are maturing, growing, exercising and getting life experiences. All good things in my view. But if you really don’t think anything advantageous occurs when the come back to compete and are 5+ years older than some kids we’re putting on the field I don’t think you’re being honest with yourself.

And it’s not like it’s every person on all of your squads. But I’ve seen personally some players of yours over the years who were men amongst boys.

What EG said was not ignorant at all in my view. With all due respect I’d make the argument that it is MORE ignorant to suggest that having 23-25 year old men gives no advantage.

Most if not all missionaries come home fatter than they were when they left, then they have to work harder to get back into playing shape that the years away took from them. The assumption that missionary kids come back and are stronger dominant football players is ridiculous. Heck my best friend who played soccer in high school who was at the peak of his physical prowess came back fat because of how many times people fed them. He had to work for years just to get back into shape. Missionary kids may be more mature. But they are going up against kids who despite being younger are faster and stronger since they didn't have rust develop from being away for several years.

Im not saying it doesnt have effect. But I dont believe it has the effect that a lot of people believe it does. If it did Weber would always have been a good team with dominant players. It annoys me because it comes across as whining and sour grapes

I understand that take but I really don’t see how one could draw that conclusion from what EG wrote? All he said was it certainly can’t hurt to have the ability to have guys playing at 25.

I guess I’d ask this then. If you’re arguing his point isn’t the other side that it DOES hurt having older players after missions? And if this is true then why on earth would any school do it?

And as EG pointed out, if it’s completely impossible for an advantage to be had with age, why on earth do they only give kids 5 years to play 4? Seems it wouldn’t make a difference.

I do get what you’re saying though and there are obviously gonna be those that really exaggerate the impact of these players. I’m just saying I’ve akways had the view that especially in football, it sure isn’t hurting Weber to have these older guys on their squad.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Good points on either side of the "Mormon Missionary" thing. Having limited knowledge of the subject, maybe someone can help me out with this timeline:

1. Frosh year (18-19 years old): Redshirt.
2. RS Frosh year: Mission
3. RS Soph year: Mission
4. RS Junior year (21-22 years old) = RS Frosh
5. RS Senior year (22-23 years old) = RS Soph
6. RS Senior year #2 (23-24 years old) = RS Junior
7. RS Senior year #3 (24-25 years old) = RS Senior

So, if it's true that the missionaries don't train on their missions and come back in worse shape, don't they get back in shape by the year 4, 5, 6, or 7? If not, what is wrong with the training programs at the Mormon schools that they can't get these guys back in shape in year 4, 5, 6, or 7?

In short, even if Johnny Missionary didn't do blocking drills in South America for two years, he's still a 21-22-year-old with one year in the program walking in the door with four years of eligibility remaining, right?

 

[ilovethecats]

Good points on either side of the "Mormon Missionary" thing. Having limited knowledge of the subject, maybe someone can help me out with this timeline:

1. Frosh year (18-19 years old): Redshirt.
2. RS Frosh year: Mission
3. RS Soph year: Mission
4. RS Junior year (21-22 years old) = RS Frosh
5. RS Senior year (22-23 years old) = RS Soph
6. RS Senior year #2 (23-24 years old) = RS Junior
7. RS Senior year #3 (24-25 years old) = RS Senior

So, if it's true that the missionaries don't train on their missions and come back in worse shape, don't they get back in shape by the year 4, 5, 6, or 7? If not, what is wrong with the training programs at the Mormon schools that they can't get these guys back in shape in year 4, 5, 6, or 7?

In short, even if Johnny Missionary didn't do blocking drills in South America for two years, he's still a 21-year-old with one year in the program walking in the door with four years of eligibility remaining, right?

Exactly.

All I’m saying is they have a dude on their o-line born in 1993. The dude is 26, weighs 340 pounds. And we’re gonna pretend that there would be no advantage at all having this monster? Lol.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Good points on either side of the "Mormon Missionary" thing. Having limited knowledge of the subject, maybe someone can help me out with this timeline:

1. Frosh year (18-19 years old): Redshirt.
2. RS Frosh year: Mission
3. RS Soph year: Mission
4. RS Junior year (21-22 years old) = RS Frosh
5. RS Senior year (22-23 years old) = RS Soph
6. RS Senior year #2 (23-24 years old) = RS Junior
7. RS Senior year #3 (24-25 years old) = RS Senior

So, if it's true that the missionaries don't train on their missions and come back in worse shape, don't they get back in shape by the year 4, 5, 6, or 7? If not, what is wrong with the training programs at the Mormon schools that they can't get these guys back in shape in year 4, 5, 6, or 7?

In short, even if Johnny Missionary didn't do blocking drills in South America for two years, he's still a 21-year-old with one year in the program walking in the door with four years of eligibility remaining, right?

Exactly.

All I’m saying is they have a dude on their o-line born in 1993. The dude is 26, weighs 340 pounds. And we’re gonna pretend that there would be no advantage at all having this monster? Lol.

Crazy. You'll get the stock responses of "Then why doesn't BYU/Weber/Utah/etc. win every game?" and "Not every player on the roster did a mission." Those aren't the inquiries. Of course, the missionaries aren't going to Alabama or LSU. The inquiry is: Would a given player have the same impact on the field given 5 to play 4 starting at 18-19 years-old, or given 4 to play 4 starting at 22-years-old, with a RS year already under his belt?

 

[EverettGriz]

It’s no different than saying UM has a recruiting advantage over every bsc team because of our facilities. We do. It’s just a fact. Like it’s a fact 26 year olds are more mature physically, emotionally and mentally than 21 year olds and that having them on your team is district advantage.

Admit the advantage, own the advantage, and move on.

 

[Grizzoola]

Let's look at it another way: Couldn't non-Mormon schools have older Mormon players, too? Say, if a returning Mormon missionary enrolled at UM, tried out, & was eligible to play. Would Hauck say no?

 

[garizzalies]

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Let's look at it another way: Couldn't non-Mormon schools have older Mormon players, too? Say, if a returning Mormon missionary enrolled at UM, tried out, & was eligible to play. Would Hauck say no?

Probably not. Which is why some PAC 12 schools other than Utah usually have such players on their rosters. Just gotta get PAC attention out of HS, along with the acceptance of the mission. Which is why schools with strong to loose affiliations are more likely to build it into recruiting timelines.

Edit: To clarify: A program that has had 25yo seniors for decades can recruit future 25yo seniors much more effectively than those programs that attempt to recruit one away. The Utah schools are exceptionally good at getting them, because everyone knows the drill.

 

[ilovethecats]

It’s no different than saying UM has a recruiting advantage over every bsc team because of our facilities. We do. It’s just a fact. Like it’s a fact 26 year olds are more mature physically, emotionally and mentally than 21 year olds and that having them on your team is district advantage.

Admit the advantage, own the advantage, and move on.

Exactly. So I guess people could say that your facilities are no advantage and if they were you would win every game you play... :roll:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It’s no different than saying UM has a recruiting advantage over every bsc team because of our facilities. We do. It’s just a fact. Like it’s a fact 26 year olds are more mature physically, emotionally and mentally than 21 year olds and that having them on your team is district advantage.

Admit the advantage, own the advantage, and move on.

Exactly. So I guess people could say that your facilities are no advantage and if they were you would win every game you play... :roll:

But, the missionaries don't lift on their missions, and only have four years to get back in shape before Third Senior Night.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Gotta give some credit, here. Fantastic work. The 'Dillas!

 

[SoldierGriz]

Just sitting here watching Duke vs KU play hoops wondering when Coach K and Coach Self are going to figure out the secret sauce of mission maturity.

Perhaps Weber is just ahead of the curve on this one.

Is BYU's hoops team good or great with their well-known and obvious advantage?