Has Weber State been overlooked lately?

[CDAGRIZ]

Just sitting here watching Duke vs KU play hoops wondering when Coach K and Coach Self are going to figure out the secret sauce of mission maturity.

Perhaps Weber is just ahead of the curve on this one.

Is BYU's hoops team good or great with their well-known and obvious advantage?

Sure, just get those Utah high schoolers to have elite DI talent out of HS, and I’m positive that the elite schools will build the 7-year model into their recruiting.

In reality, few Utah high schoolers have that talent coming out of HS, but if you build your hometown recruiting with 7 to play 4 in mind, you can have a decent set of 25 year olds in a few years. Long game.

 

[argh!]

i think that to come more closely to answering the question about former missionaries being higher quality players/teammates for weebs, you'd have to compare their collective overall statistical performance with that of non-mission recruits playing the same (or similar) positions, who came to weber with the same level of recruiting stars/fanfare. are there enough missionaries per year joining the weebs to conduct such a study?

 

[garizzalies]

Gotta give some credit, here. Fantastic work. The 'Dillas!

After winning consecutive national championships, massive NCAA violations resulted in the program having to forfeit years' worth of victories. All of the coaches were fired and all of the players (except one) were banned.

New head coach Ed "Straight Arrow" Gennero and Assistant coach Wally "Rig" Riggendorf find Paul Blake, a 34-year-old high school star who never attended college due to his father's death. Rig convinces him to enroll and become the Armadillos' quarterback.

Blake arrives on campus and catches everyone's attention due to his age. Blake then recruits a graduate student teaching assistant named Andre Krimm, who is also enrolled at the school and still has some eligibility remaining.

 

[EverettGriz]

Who would you prefer as your platoon leader, SG: a 22 year old who’s never been outside Utah, or a 25 year old who spent 2 years learning important life skills, and developing their critical thought processes while working largely by themself in a place like Myanmar?


Will it make him perfect? No. Will it make him better? To suggest otherwise is just patently silly.

Your thoughts, while true, have nothing to do with football excellence.

Weber gains zero competitive advantage from older, more worldly players.

Of course, my thoughts really have nothing to do with fighting wars and killing people either. But your choice was still obvious.

Why? Because the maturation that takes place during those years has to do with far more than football skills, or killing skills, or whatever. They have to do with leadership skills. Give me 30 extra leaders on my team and I’ll kick the ass of any extra team with 30 extra good athletes.

 

[montanaguy]

Give me 30 extra leaders on my extra team and I’ll kick the extra ass of any extra team with 30 extra good extra athletes.

fify

 

[SWeberCat02]

I can't believe this is still going. Only on eGriz. And to think we still have a UM/WSU matchup ahead where every thread about the game will surely devolve into an argument about the advantages or disadvantages of missions. Since so many of y'all have factually determined that taking two years off is an added advantage you should run this up to Hauck and Co. I'm sure he's always looking for ways to get an edge. I'm sure they'd be open to it. Maybe they can counsel their players to go away for a couple years and come back when they're "more mature". Encourage them to join the military or Peace Corp., or backpack through Europe. Or, we're always looking for converts. You can serve a mission after only a year of joining.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Just sitting here watching Duke vs KU play hoops wondering when Coach K and Coach Self are going to figure out the secret sauce of mission maturity.

Perhaps Weber is just ahead of the curve on this one.

Is BYU's hoops team good or great with their well-known and obvious advantage?

Sure, just get those Utah high schoolers to have elite DI talent out of HS, and I’m positive that the elite schools will build the 7-year model into their recruiting.

In reality, few Utah high schoolers have that talent coming out of HS, but if you build your hometown recruiting with 7 to play 4 in mind, you can have a decent set of 25 year olds in a few years. Long game.

Coach K does recruit the best Mormon athletes, he just tells them that they aren't coming to Duke if they choose to serve a mission. Current NBAers Jabari Parker and Frank Jackson are both practicing members that would have served missions but chose instead to play at Duke. Chris Burgess before them. Coach K and these athletes know that a mission is usually a career killer and doesn't benefit a program. None of the best Mormon athletes have served missions. Steve Young, Dale Murphy, Danny Ainge, Jimmer Fredette, Bryce Harper, Tony Finau, and the above mentioned Parker and Jackson. Two of the most highly recruited Mormon athletes ever, Shawn Bradley and Ben Olson, served missions and their careers suffered for it.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Coach K doesn't have a clue. The missionary advantage is clear and present. Even a Soldier can see the advantages of a team of leaders over a team of athletes. What about athlete leaders? Gotta get em off missions. That's the best kind of athlete leader.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Just sitting here watching Duke vs KU play hoops wondering when Coach K and Coach Self are going to figure out the secret sauce of mission maturity.

Perhaps Weber is just ahead of the curve on this one.

Is BYU's hoops team good or great with their well-known and obvious advantage?

Sure, just get those Utah high schoolers to have elite DI talent out of HS, and I’m positive that the elite schools will build the 7-year model into their recruiting.

In reality, few Utah high schoolers have that talent coming out of HS, but if you build your hometown recruiting with 7 to play 4 in mind, you can have a decent set of 25 year olds in a few years. Long game.

Coach K does recruit the best Mormon athletes, he just tells them that they aren't coming to Duke if they choose to serve a mission. Current NBAers Jabari Parker and Frank Jackson are both practicing members that would have served missions but chose instead to play at Duke. Chris Burgess before them. Coach K and these athletes know that a mission is usually a career killer and doesn't benefit a program. None of the best Mormon athletes have served missions. Steve Young, Dale Murphy, Danny Ainge, Jimmer Fredette, Bryce Harper, Tony Finau, and the above mentioned Parker and Jackson. Two of the most highly recruited Mormon athletes ever, Shawn Bradley and Ben Olson, served missions and their careers suffered for it.

I think some people are arguing two different points. I think everyone agrees that a Mormon mission, in and of itself, is not an advantage. You could forget how to play, get fat, get zika, or get eaten by a hippo. The point is that having a 25-year-old (whose career wasn't derailed by the mission) on the field/court is an advantage. I think people are getting hung up on the mission aspect when the point is age and eligibility.

Regarding Coach K and others, I have been told first hand by a coach with multiple Final Fours that it has more to do with recruiting timelines and essentially holding roster spots. When a program has that allowance built into its system, it is better suited to handle the situation.

All time leading scorer in BYU basketball history? Tyler Haws. IDK what he did during his two years. It might have been a mission, or it might have been prison, but he came back a F'ing man. Kids who weren't even born during his first semester at BYU were rising second graders by the time he left.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Just sitting here watching Duke vs KU play hoops wondering when Coach K and Coach Self are going to figure out the secret sauce of mission maturity.

Perhaps Weber is just ahead of the curve on this one.

Is BYU's hoops team good or great with their well-known and obvious advantage?

Sure, just get those Utah high schoolers to have elite DI talent out of HS, and I’m positive that the elite schools will build the 7-year model into their recruiting.

In reality, few Utah high schoolers have that talent coming out of HS, but if you build your hometown recruiting with 7 to play 4 in mind, you can have a decent set of 25 year olds in a few years. Long game.

Coach K does recruit the best Mormon athletes, he just tells them that they aren't coming to Duke if they choose to serve a mission. Current NBAers Jabari Parker and Frank Jackson are both practicing members that would have served missions but chose instead to play at Duke. Chris Burgess before them. Coach K and these athletes know that a mission is usually a career killer and doesn't benefit a program. None of the best Mormon athletes have served missions. Steve Young, Dale Murphy, Danny Ainge, Jimmer Fredette, Bryce Harper, Tony Finau, and the above mentioned Parker and Jackson. Two of the most highly recruited Mormon athletes ever, Shawn Bradley and Ben Olson, served missions and their careers suffered for it.

I think some people are arguing two different points. I think everyone agrees that a Mormon mission, in and of itself, is not an advantage. You could forget how to play, get fat, get zika, or get eaten by a hippo. The point is that having a 25-year-old (whose career wasn't derailed by the mission) on the field/court is an advantage. I think people are getting hung up on the mission aspect when the point is age and eligibility.

Regarding Coach K and others, I have been told first hand by a coach with multiple Final Fours that it has more to do with recruiting timelines and essentially holding roster spots. When a program has that allowance built into its system, it is better suited to handle the situation.

All time leading scorer in BYU basketball history? Tyler Haws. IDK what he did during his two years. It might have been a mission, or it might have been prison, but he came back a F'ing man. Kids who weren't even born during his first semester at BYU were rising second graders by the time he left.

College isn't pee wee football. Two years age difference means very little at the college level. They're all men by that point.

Haws' teams did nothing impressive and Haws did nothing impressive post BYU.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I can't believe this is still going. Only on eGriz. And to think we still have a UM/WSU matchup ahead where every thread about the game will surely devolve into an argument about the advantages or disadvantages of missions. Since so many of y'all have factually determined that taking two years off is an added advantage you should run this up to Hauck and Co. I'm sure he's always looking for ways to get an edge. I'm sure they'd be open to it. Maybe they can counsel their players to go away for a couple years and come back when they're "more mature". Encourage them to join the military or Peace Corp., or backpack through Europe. Or, we're always looking for converts. You can serve a mission after only a year of joining.

Again, it's not the mission. It's the four years of eligibility remaining beginning at 21-22 years old.
Try to look at it this way: If the NCAA said nobody can play CFB until they are 21, and then everyone gets four years of DI training/coaching, do you think the overall product on the field would be better or worse?

 

[ilovethecats]

People are definitely talking about two different things every time this subject comes up.

Weber fans are making it seem like everyone is crying like there is some astronomical advantage with them getting all the Mormons. I have yet to hear someone say that.

I have heard people saying that allowing young kids to take a couple years off after their freshman year and come back a couple years later is certainly an advantage. One of a million advantages that schools can have, such as facilities for the Griz.

No one is claiming it's such a major advantage that Weber and BYU should be winning every game they play because they are loaded with grown men Mormons. But they got dudes on their team 25 and 26 years old. Lol. We're really going to pretend that having guys 25-26 couldn't offer even a sliver of an advantage over other teams?

 

[1972]

People are definitely talking about two different things every time this subject comes up.

Weber fans are making it seem like everyone is crying like there is some astronomical advantage with them getting all the Mormons. I have yet to hear someone say that.

I have heard people saying that allowing young kids to take a couple years off after their freshman year and come back a couple years later is certainly an advantage. One of a million advantages that schools can have, such as facilities for the Griz.

No one is claiming it's such a major advantage that Weber and BYU should be winning every game they play because they are loaded with grown men Mormons. But they got dudes on their team 25 and 26 years old. Lol. We're really going to pretend that having guys 25-26 couldn't offer even a sliver of an advantage over other teams?

Well said, definitely an advantage. It is what it is, time to move on!!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Sure, just get those Utah high schoolers to have elite DI talent out of HS, and I’m positive that the elite schools will build the 7-year model into their recruiting.

In reality, few Utah high schoolers have that talent coming out of HS, but if you build your hometown recruiting with 7 to play 4 in mind, you can have a decent set of 25 year olds in a few years. Long game.

Coach K does recruit the best Mormon athletes, he just tells them that they aren't coming to Duke if they choose to serve a mission. Current NBAers Jabari Parker and Frank Jackson are both practicing members that would have served missions but chose instead to play at Duke. Chris Burgess before them. Coach K and these athletes know that a mission is usually a career killer and doesn't benefit a program. None of the best Mormon athletes have served missions. Steve Young, Dale Murphy, Danny Ainge, Jimmer Fredette, Bryce Harper, Tony Finau, and the above mentioned Parker and Jackson. Two of the most highly recruited Mormon athletes ever, Shawn Bradley and Ben Olson, served missions and their careers suffered for it.

I think some people are arguing two different points. I think everyone agrees that a Mormon mission, in and of itself, is not an advantage. You could forget how to play, get fat, get zika, or get eaten by a hippo. The point is that having a 25-year-old (whose career wasn't derailed by the mission) on the field/court is an advantage. I think people are getting hung up on the mission aspect when the point is age and eligibility.

Regarding Coach K and others, I have been told first hand by a coach with multiple Final Fours that it has more to do with recruiting timelines and essentially holding roster spots. When a program has that allowance built into its system, it is better suited to handle the situation.

All time leading scorer in BYU basketball history? Tyler Haws. IDK what he did during his two years. It might have been a mission, or it might have been prison, but he came back a F'ing man. Kids who weren't even born during his first semester at BYU were rising second graders by the time he left.

College isn't pee wee football. Two years age difference means very little at the college level. They're all men by that point.

Haws' teams did nothing impressive and Haws did nothing impressive post BYU.

We should notify the NFL of this news.

 

[grizindabox]

The missionary advantage is clear and present.

Once again, I think the "Reverse Cowboy" is more advantageous.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The missionary advantage is clear and present.

Once again, I think the "Reverse Cowboy" is more advantageous.

:?

 

[reinell30]

The title of this thread should be "Idaho Vandals overlooked."

 

[SWeberCat02]

The title of this thread should be "Idaho Vandals overlooked."

:lol: :clap:

 

[fanofzoo]

If two more years of mission work makes you a better player in terms of maturity then how do you explain that BYU is the #1 cheap shot school.

 

[Htowngriz]

If two more years of mission work makes you a better player in terms of maturity then how do you explain that BYU is the #1 cheap shot school.

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