Has Weber State been overlooked lately?

[SoldierGriz]

:roll:

Missionaries dont have 24 7 access to the gym while they are on missions. In fact they have very few freedoms. Maybe they ride a bike or do a lot of walking but most have access to cars now.

Statements like yours do nothing to hide your ignorance

I understand why as a Weber fan you’d get annoyed at these comments. Notice EG didn’t say the ONLY reason Weber is good is because the age of the players. But the fact you got so defensive about it tells me even you know there’s truth to it.

No one said anything about these kids only being in a gym when they are on missions. But I can assure you they’re not just sitting around eating bon bons either. They are maturing, growing, exercising and getting life experiences. All good things in my view. But if you really don’t think anything advantageous occurs when the come back to compete and are 5+ years older than some kids we’re putting on the field I don’t think you’re being honest with yourself.

And it’s not like it’s every person on all of your squads. But I’ve seen personally some players of yours over the years who were men amongst boys.

What EG said was not ignorant at all in my view. With all due respect I’d make the argument that it is MORE ignorant to suggest that having 23-25 year old men gives no advantage.

Thanks ILTC. My response could not have been better. While I certainly have seen LDS missionaries return in far greater physical shape — yes, some of them played for Weber — the maturity that happens those years is far more than physical. One simply needs to ask themselves if they were the same person at 25 they were at 22.

It's why BYU barely has room for more championship banners, and Weber has been dominant for decades in the BSC...

 

[EverettGriz]

Who would you prefer as your platoon leader, SG: a 22 year old who’s never been outside Utah, or a 25 year old who spent 2 years learning important life skills, and developing their critical thought processes while working largely by themself in a place like Myanmar?


Will it make him perfect? No. Will it make him better? To suggest otherwise is just patently silly.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Who would you prefer as your platoon leader, SG: a 22 year old who’s never been outside Utah, or a 25 year old who spent 2 years learning important life skills, and developing their critical thought processes while working largely by themself in a place like Myanmar?


Will it make him perfect? No. Will it make him better? To suggest otherwise is just patently silly.

Your thoughts, while true, have nothing to do with football excellence.

Weber gains zero competitive advantage from older, more worldly players.

 

[NoName]

EverettGriz what is the all-time series record? Montana 100 Weber 6?

You have never met a Mormon. They are lighter then your white mini-van you use, driving around Missoula, delivering Amazon packages. Go look at the Weber roster. Those dudes do not fit the profile.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

:roll:

Missionaries dont have 24 7 access to the gym while they are on missions. In fact they have very few freedoms. Maybe they ride a bike or do a lot of walking but most have access to cars now.

Statements like yours do nothing to hide your ignorance

I understand why as a Weber fan you’d get annoyed at these comments. Notice EG didn’t say the ONLY reason Weber is good is because the age of the players. But the fact you got so defensive about it tells me even you know there’s truth to it.

No one said anything about these kids only being in a gym when they are on missions. But I can assure you they’re not just sitting around eating bon bons either. They are maturing, growing, exercising and getting life experiences. All good things in my view. But if you really don’t think anything advantageous occurs when the come back to compete and are 5+ years older than some kids we’re putting on the field I don’t think you’re being honest with yourself.

And it’s not like it’s every person on all of your squads. But I’ve seen personally some players of yours over the years who were men amongst boys.

What EG said was not ignorant at all in my view. With all due respect I’d make the argument that it is MORE ignorant to suggest that having 23-25 year old men gives no advantage.

Most if not all missionaries come home fatter than they were when they left, then they have to work harder to get back into playing shape that the years away took from them. The assumption that missionary kids come back and are stronger dominant football players is ridiculous. Heck my best friend who played soccer in high school who was at the peak of his physical prowess came back fat because of how many times people fed them. He had to work for years just to get back into shape. Missionary kids may be more mature. But they are going up against kids who despite being younger are faster and stronger since they didn't have rust develop from being away for several years.

Im not saying it doesnt have effect. But I dont believe it has the effect that a lot of people believe it does. If it did Weber would always have been a good team with dominant players. It annoys me because it comes across as whining and sour grapes

 

[SoldierGriz]

Let's look at this another way.

If Mormon mission requirements produced superior athletes, then wouldn't UM and every other school stack young Mormon men on their teams?

Recruiting checklist:
1. Speed
2. Football IQ
3. Academics
4. Mormon

It's just simply not a thing.

 

[SWeberCat02]

Jay Hill is the real deal.

When Utah went Pac12, I think it helped Weber -- Utah brought in an extra $25M per year and extended their recruiting effectiveness nationwide, even internationally, with much more credibility in bringing in top tier talent. This has meant more Utah HS players going to Weber, in the Salt Lake Valley. It's also hurt BYU by not being in a P5 conference. I've been coaching youth/HS football in this area for 7 years, and there is deep talent pool here, especially in the poly community (which is significant here). Weber has benefited, IMO, with dropdowns from Utah and BYU as well -- the kids don't need to move to switch schools, and family is sticky around here. SLC to Provo has been the top or near top growing urban areas in the country, and football rivals Texas in this culture. SUU does not have a real presence in the Salt Lake area, more Las Vegas presence.

Jay Hill was well connected while at Utah, and a great recruiter and coach. I don't think Weebs has the level of success without him. WSU will always be 2nd tier overshadowed in fan base by Utah, USU, and BYU. Hill will/should grab a bigger job soon (Utah State, BYU???) I think he's a better HC than Gary Andersen at USU, just IMHO

All of these things. Weber also benefits by having 24 and 25 year olds on the roster. A whole lot of development takes place during those years.

For hell sakes, again with the missionary thing? Can't we have one Weber thread without this coming up? Can't we just give the freaking credit to where it's due, Jay Hill, Jay Hill, and Jay Hill. And to a much smaller degree Weber's recent improvements in facilities. You come off as a sore loser and a complainer suggesting it has anything to do with return missionaries. As a long suffering Weber fan I have watched many more awful teams than good, all of which had their share of return missionaries.

 

[reinell30]

Until proven otherwise Jay Hill is the best coach in the Big Sky and Weber has been the dominant team for years now. They really aren’t super flashy, but it seems every week they just get it done.

Watching their game against' Sac State, I see a lot of NDSU traits in their game. Power football! We will have more than our hands full in two weeks.

 

[IdahoGrizFan]

Do you think Montana could match up fairly well with Weber? They are a running team and not a top passing team. Maybe the Griz D will do well against a team like that.

 

[Htowngriz]

Do you think Montana could match up fairly well with Weber? They are a running team and not a top passing team. Maybe the Griz D will do well against a team like that.

I think we will, honestly. I'm more worried about our ability to move the ball against their front and their secondary. No room for a slow start in that one.

 

[AZGrizFan]

As a long suffering Weber fan I have watched many more awful teams than good, all of which had their share of return missionaries.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You guys have been good for 3-4 years now. That's enough. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

Jay Hill is the real deal.

When Utah went Pac12, I think it helped Weber -- Utah brought in an extra $25M per year and extended their recruiting effectiveness nationwide, even internationally, with much more credibility in bringing in top tier talent. This has meant more Utah HS players going to Weber, in the Salt Lake Valley. It's also hurt BYU by not being in a P5 conference. I've been coaching youth/HS football in this area for 7 years, and there is deep talent pool here, especially in the poly community (which is significant here). Weber has benefited, IMO, with dropdowns from Utah and BYU as well -- the kids don't need to move to switch schools, and family is sticky around here. SLC to Provo has been the top or near top growing urban areas in the country, and football rivals Texas in this culture. SUU does not have a real presence in the Salt Lake area, more Las Vegas presence.

Jay Hill was well connected while at Utah, and a great recruiter and coach. I don't think Weebs has the level of success without him. WSU will always be 2nd tier overshadowed in fan base by Utah, USU, and BYU. Hill will/should grab a bigger job soon (Utah State, BYU???) I think he's a better HC than Gary Andersen at USU, just IMHO

All of these things. Weber also benefits by having 24 and 25 year olds on the roster. A whole lot of development takes place during those years.

For hell sakes, again with the missionary thing? Can't we have one Weber thread without this coming up? Can't we just give the freaking credit to where it's due, Jay Hill, Jay Hill, and Jay Hill. And to a much smaller degree Weber's recent improvements in facilities. You come off as a sore loser and a complainer suggesting it has anything to do with return missionaries. As a long suffering Weber fan I have watched many more awful teams than good, all of which had their share of return missionaries.

and I would add reasons #4 and 5 about credit where credit is due - Jay Hill and Jay Hill. I for one can't wait for him to move on to a bigger program. Dude can flat out coach. End of story.

 

[grizindabox]

For hell sakes, again with the missionary thing?

It is just another position, but probably not my top pick.

 

[1972]

Jay Hill is the real deal.

When Utah went Pac12, I think it helped Weber -- Utah brought in an extra $25M per year and extended their recruiting effectiveness nationwide, even internationally, with much more credibility in bringing in top tier talent. This has meant more Utah HS players going to Weber, in the Salt Lake Valley. It's also hurt BYU by not being in a P5 conference. I've been coaching youth/HS football in this area for 7 years, and there is deep talent pool here, especially in the poly community (which is significant here). Weber has benefited, IMO, with dropdowns from Utah and BYU as well -- the kids don't need to move to switch schools, and family is sticky around here. SLC to Provo has been the top or near top growing urban areas in the country, and football rivals Texas in this culture. SUU does not have a real presence in the Salt Lake area, more Las Vegas presence.

Jay Hill was well connected while at Utah, and a great recruiter and coach. I don't think Weebs has the level of success without him. WSU will always be 2nd tier overshadowed in fan base by Utah, USU, and BYU. Hill will/should grab a bigger job soon (Utah State, BYU???) I think he's a better HC than Gary Andersen at USU, just IMHO

All of these things. Weber also benefits by having 24 and 25 year olds on the roster. A whole lot of development takes place during those years.

For hell sakes, again with the missionary thing? Can't we have one Weber thread without this coming up? Can't we just give the freaking credit to where it's due, Jay Hill, Jay Hill, and Jay Hill. And to a much smaller degree Weber's recent improvements in facilities. You come off as a sore loser and a complainer suggesting it has anything to do with return missionaries. As a long suffering Weber fan I have watched many more awful teams than good, all of which had their share of return missionaries.

You're absolutely correct all about Jay Hill, the program he's instilled, you can see a totally different program since he arrived. Give credit where it's due!!

 

[fanofzoo]

Let's look at this another way.

If Mormon mission requirements produced superior athletes, then wouldn't UM and every other school stack young Mormon men on their teams?

Recruiting checklist:
1. Speed
2. Football IQ
3. Academics
4. Mormon

It's just simply not a thing.

We serve coffee, hell it's everywhere here.

 

[Ursa Major]

EverettGriz what is the all-time series record? Montana 100 Weber 6?

You have never met a Mormon. They are lighter then your white mini-van you use, driving around Missoula, delivering Amazon packages. Go look at the Weber roster. Those dudes do not fit the profile.

Noname, I know EG, I've drank with EG, I've been drunk with EG on a bus filled with mormons (true story). You sir are no EG.

Your point is silly, the majority of mormons live outside the US.

 

[EverettGriz]

EverettGriz what is the all-time series record? Montana 100 Weber 6?

You have never met a Mormon. They are lighter then your white mini-van you use, driving around Missoula, delivering Amazon packages. Go look at the Weber roster. Those dudes do not fit the profile.

Noname, I know EG, I've drank with EG, I've been drunk with EG on a bus filled with mormons (true story). You sir are no EG.

Your point is silly, the majority of mormons live outside the US.

Hahahahaha!! An absolute true story!! And a classic.

 

[EverettGriz]

Look, for any of you arguing there’s no competitive advantage to fielding older players, ask yourself this:

Why does the NCAA have a “five to play four” rule, to which they RARELY grant exceptions?

Look, no one’s bitter. No one holds it against Weber. But to suggest it’s not a competitive advantage? Please. You are (well, most of you anyhow) better than that.

 

[Ursa Major]

EverettGriz what is the all-time series record? Montana 100 Weber 6?

You have never met a Mormon. They are lighter then your white mini-van you use, driving around Missoula, delivering Amazon packages. Go look at the Weber roster. Those dudes do not fit the profile.

Noname, I know EG, I've drank with EG, I've been drunk with EG on a bus filled with mormons (true story). You sir are no EG.

Your point is silly, the majority of mormons live outside the US.

Hahahahaha!! An absolute true story!! And a classic.

Holy Shit!
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Of all the ridiculous, off the wall, bigoted, bizarro crazy ass things that have been posted on eGriz in the past 13 years and 10 months, EG's comments broke the dam. Think about that. Just think about Alpha's and Steve Dill's posts alone.

NoName-- please don't make it another baker's dozen before you post again. I'm serious :thumb:

 

[grizindabox]

EverettGriz what is the all-time series record? Montana 100 Weber 6?

You have never met a Mormon. They are lighter then your white mini-van you use, driving around Missoula, delivering Amazon packages. Go look at the Weber roster. Those dudes do not fit the profile.

Noname, I know EG, I've drank with EG, I've been drunk with EG on a bus filled with mormons (true story). You sir are no EG.

Your point is silly, the majority of mormons live outside the US.

Hahahahaha!! An absolute true story!! And a classic.

Holy Shit!
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Of all the ridiculous, off the wall, bigoted, bizarro crazy ass things that have been posted on eGriz in the past 13 years and 10 months, EG's comments broke the dam. Think about that. Just think about Alpha's and Steve Dill's posts alone.

NoName-- please don't make it another baker's dozen before you post again. I'm serious :thumb:

I wonder what Ronbo is doing these days?