Griz to burn Counts Redshirt.

[grizophile]

Clearly Mick believes he needs a strong inside runner and good blocker; the role that DM filled. Nguyen, Canada, Kemp, etc. all mentioned, do not fill that bill. If you can get a hand on Nguyen you can put him down. Mick must believe that Counts is the player that can fill that role. I have not seen Counts play, but I have no question about Mick's judgement on this; it's not like he doesn't know anything about coaching RBs.

Playing true freshmen does not burn their redshirt, it saves it. It remains available; it has been very handy for players like Tripp, Hilliard and many others that had injury problems later. It was handy for Jimmy Wilson. It will be very handy for JJ, whether here or elsewhere. Since his redshirt was saved and is being used this year, he will still have two years eligibility after this year when he is aquitted. Also, when you are limited to 63 full scholarships, it is most difficult to dedicate 5 scholarship years to every scholarship player; when you dedicate 4 rather than 5 to a player, that enables you to free up that scholarship a year earlier for recruiting. Facts Growler likes to overlook.

Disagree with your comment on Nguyen. Kid breaks plenty of tackles from what I've seen?

 

[kemajic]

Again, if they give Counts carries and he plays a meaningful role on offense, then yes, play him. But why burn a year of eligibility if he is only going to be used in punt protection or kickoff returns? That seems to be a bit of waste and a role that Hagfors or Butler could fill.

If JJ had not have had his personal problems, would you rather have had last year been his first year of playing with three more full years of eligibility or last year been his second year of playing with two years remaining? Playing JJ at the end of 2010 was a waste of a year of eligibility.

And if a player gets hurt they can always apply for a medical redshirt season, which is what Tripp did.

My point is you can never count on not having problems; saving a redshirt is an insurance policy. JJ has problems; it is convenient for him now that his redshirt was saved. With his problems, after this year, he would have two years eligibility remaining irrespective of whether he played in 2010 or not. You still have only 5 to play 4.

Tripp's "medical" application was to discount the two games he played last season so it could be called his reshirt season. If he did not have a redshirt season remaining, the application would have been a non-starter and he would be a senior this year. 6th year medical applications are granted in rare and unusual situations.

 

[AZGrizFan]

We have Kirsh, Walden, Elder, and Butler all whom have used their RS... tough call but Counts has shown good raw talent, not sure if he's ready but had shown more consistant play in fall than Walden, Elder, and Butler did.

exactly.....all this talent.....if we burn Counts red shirt and still lose to No Colo..........hindsight will be brutal

If we lose to NoCo the LAST thing I will be concerned about is burning someone's redshirt. :shock:

 

[GrizBacker04]

Again, if they give Counts carries and he plays a meaningful role on offense, then yes, play him. But why burn a year of eligibility if he is only going to be used in punt protection or kickoff returns? That seems to be a bit of waste and a role that Hagfors or Butler could fill.

If JJ had not have had his personal problems, would you rather have had last year been his first year of playing with three more full years of eligibility or last year been his second year of playing with two years remaining? Playing JJ at the end of 2010 was a waste of a year of eligibility.

And if a player gets hurt they can always apply for a medical redshirt season, which is what Tripp did.

My point is you can never count on not having problems; saving a redshirt is an insurance policy. JJ has problems; it is convenient for him now that his redshirt was saved. With his problems, after this year, he would have two years eligibility remaining irrespective of whether he played in 2010 or not. You still have only 5 to play 4.

Tripp's "medical" application was to discount the two games he played last season so it could be called his reshirt season. If he did not have a redshirt season remaining, the application would have been a non-starter and he would be a senior this year. 6th year medical applications are granted in rare and unusual situations.

Either way you look at it, you have 5 to play 4. So, you can redshirt that first year and then have 4 to play 4, or you can play some (arguably) meaningless downs as a true freshman and save that redshirt in case of injury, alleged rape, etc. Had Tripp redshirted as a freshman, he would still be in the same situation he is now eligibility wise. 2009 (redshirt), 2010 (played), 2011 (played then injury), 2012 (played) and 2013 (final year of eligibility). Now of course he was an impact freshman who played a lot, thus saving his redshirt. But why waste a redshirt for marginal playing time if you really don't need to?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Clearly Mick believes he needs a strong inside runner and good blocker; the role that DM filled. Nguyen, Canada, Kemp, etc. all mentioned, do not fill that bill. If you can get a hand on Nguyen you can put him down. Mick must believe that Counts is the player that can fill that role. I have not seen Counts play, but I have no question about Mick's judgement on this; it's not like he doesn't know anything about coaching RBs.

Playing true freshmen does not burn their redshirt, it saves it. It remains available; it has been very handy for players like Tripp, Hilliard and many others that had injury problems later. It was handy for Jimmy Wilson. It will be very handy for JJ, whether here or elsewhere. Since his redshirt was saved and is being used this year, he will still have two years eligibility after this year when he is aquitted. Also, when you are limited to 63 full scholarships, it is most difficult to dedicate 5 scholarship years to every scholarship player; when you dedicate 4 rather than 5 to a player, that enables you to free up that scholarship a year earlier for recruiting. Facts Growler likes to overlook.

Disagree with your comment on Nguyen. Kid breaks plenty of tackles from what I've seen?

Come on Man...........think before you hit the submit button.

 

[grizophile]

Clearly Mick believes he needs a strong inside runner and good blocker; the role that DM filled. Nguyen, Canada, Kemp, etc. all mentioned, do not fill that bill. If you can get a hand on Nguyen you can put him down. Mick must believe that Counts is the player that can fill that role. I have not seen Counts play, but I have no question about Mick's judgement on this; it's not like he doesn't know anything about coaching RBs.

Playing true freshmen does not burn their redshirt, it saves it. It remains available; it has been very handy for players like Tripp, Hilliard and many others that had injury problems later. It was handy for Jimmy Wilson. It will be very handy for JJ, whether here or elsewhere. Since his redshirt was saved and is being used this year, he will still have two years eligibility after this year when he is aquitted. Also, when you are limited to 63 full scholarships, it is most difficult to dedicate 5 scholarship years to every scholarship player; when you dedicate 4 rather than 5 to a player, that enables you to free up that scholarship a year earlier for recruiting. Facts Growler likes to overlook.

Disagree with your comment on Nguyen. Kid breaks plenty of tackles from what I've seen?

Come on Man...........think before you hit the submit button.

Didn't say he is Dan Moore man! Just saying he breaks a few tackles in the open field and possesses physical courage. God Bless!

 

[kemajic]

Clearly Mick believes he needs a strong inside runner and good blocker; the role that DM filled. Nguyen, Canada, Kemp, etc. all mentioned, do not fill that bill. If you can get a hand on Nguyen you can put him down. Mick must believe that Counts is the player that can fill that role. I have not seen Counts play, but I have no question about Mick's judgement on this; it's not like he doesn't know anything about coaching RBs.

Playing true freshmen does not burn their redshirt, it saves it. It remains available; it has been very handy for players like Tripp, Hilliard and many others that had injury problems later. It was handy for Jimmy Wilson. It will be very handy for JJ, whether here or elsewhere. Since his redshirt was saved and is being used this year, he will still have two years eligibility after this year when he is aquitted. Also, when you are limited to 63 full scholarships, it is most difficult to dedicate 5 scholarship years to every scholarship player; when you dedicate 4 rather than 5 to a player, that enables you to free up that scholarship a year earlier for recruiting. Facts Growler likes to overlook.

Disagree with your comment on Nguyen. Kid breaks plenty of tackles from what I've seen?

Come on Man...........think before you hit the submit button.

Didn't say he is Dan Moore man! Just saying he breaks a few tackles in the open field and possesses physical courage. God Bless!

Who said anything about open field; we are talking about a DM replacement which Nguyen is not. The point was clearly stated if you read it, "Mick believes he needs a strong inside runner and good blocker; the role that DM filled." Tell me how many times Nguyen shook off a DT once in the grasp. He is tiny and when he is contained he goes down very easily. He is a scatback; he has his role; but it isn't covering the power running and blocking role of DM.

 

[OrgonGriz]

Personally I think if Coach D is even thinking about bringing in Counts HE SHOULD. As many have stated Moore fills a much different roll in the backfield than really any other back we have that has seen the field during a game, thats still on the team "Donaldson". The run game is for know our bread and butter. Our run game can not afford to be shut down. I have a hard time seeing us rack up another 400 yard run game this season. But it sounds with Count in the back field we have that short down or goal line power back, which will come in handy.

I think the Griz really need to have a winning season and make the playoffs somehow. I say this because of all the other issues that have taken place this past off season. If we have a loosing season combined with the firings and scandals it could have serious effects on recruiting. The offseason crap will effect recruiting enough, we do not need a loosing season along with that. If we have a winning season and can make the playoffs, if even only the first round, the offseason does not then appear to have effected the overall program. Or at least prospective recruits and parents may see it this way. I hope that makes sense.

Our Coaches need to pull out all the stops and make sure this program is in a good place come this next offseason. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Bear Axed]

Clearly Mick believes he needs a strong inside runner and good blocker; the role that DM filled. Nguyen, Canada, Kemp, etc. all mentioned, do not fill that bill. If you can get a hand on Nguyen you can put him down. Mick must believe that Counts is the player that can fill that role. I have not seen Counts play, but I have no question about Mick's judgement on this; it's not like he doesn't know anything about coaching RBs.

Playing true freshmen does not burn their redshirt, it saves it. It remains available; it has been very handy for players like Tripp, Hilliard and many others that had injury problems later. It was handy for Jimmy Wilson. It will be very handy for JJ, whether here or elsewhere. Since his redshirt was saved and is being used this year, he will still have two years eligibility after this year when he is aquitted. Also, when you are limited to 63 full scholarships, it is most difficult to dedicate 5 scholarship years to every scholarship player; when you dedicate 4 rather than 5 to a player, that enables you to free up that scholarship a year earlier for recruiting. Facts Growler likes to overlook.

+2

 

[pj8556]

Its Moore's senior season he will be back as soon as he can, I look for him to miss this week and possibly next week but he is a soldier and will be back soon, just my guess. Dont see any reason to burn counts redshirt at this point.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Dont see any reason to burn counts redshirt at this point.

Maybe just enough info to say who the heir apparent is and how highly regarded he is; Counts was considered one of the two best RBs all-class in the State of Arizona last year.

 

[zoo guy]

Clearly Mick believes he needs a strong inside runner and good blocker; the role that DM filled. Nguyen, Canada, Kemp, etc. all mentioned, do not fill that bill. If you can get a hand on Nguyen you can put him down. Mick must believe that Counts is the player that can fill that role. I have not seen Counts play, but I have no question about Mick's judgement on this; it's not like he doesn't know anything about coaching RBs.

Playing true freshmen does not burn their redshirt, it saves it. It remains available; it has been very handy for players like Tripp, Hilliard and many others that had injury problems later. It was handy for Jimmy Wilson. It will be very handy for JJ, whether here or elsewhere. Since his redshirt was saved and is being used this year, he will still have two years eligibility after this year when he is aquitted. Also, when you are limited to 63 full scholarships, it is most difficult to dedicate 5 scholarship years to every scholarship player; when you dedicate 4 rather than 5 to a player, that enables you to free up that scholarship a year earlier for recruiting. Facts Growler likes to overlook.

That is what people don't understand. If you are GOOD enough to be playing as a frosh, you play. The redshirt year is saved for down the road when you NEED it. The "Burning" of a freshmans red-shirt, is doing just that. By using his red-shirt status his first year.(and NOT playing him) Not the other way around......

 

[granitegriz]

This idea of play your best players is true in theory but is B.S. in real football. Playing true Freshman who have like 6 catches for 20 yards (TW and CN) at the seasons' end when there was some upper class-men that could be doing the same thing is why I question this. Maybe TW and CN's will grow into their own this season, but looking at it right now they should be redshirting. Give them some time to hit the weights, etc. Now Holmes and Kidder have the physical maturity and are making key plays (much needed for depth). Using CN on kick return when there is Haynes, Harris, Henderson and others available to do the same is very questionable.

 

[grizindabox]

Fritz Neighbor ‏@Fritz_Neighbor
I'm hearing #Griz freshman RB Joey Counts is about to become a non-redshirt. Montana kicks off at No. Colorado in 18 minutes #bigskyfb

 

[GrizSpartan]

He hasn't played today. I am sure the staff would love to red shirt Joey. But, if they need him I trust the staff will make the best decision possible.

 

['68griz]

He's playing in the 4th quarter.

 

[Fahque]

IMO, playing Counts today was Delaney's dumbest coaching decision to date...and he's had a lot. We didn't need to play Counts when we were up by 23, especially when we have Kirschner.


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['68griz]

IMO, playing Counts today was Delaney's dumbest coaching decision to date...and he's had a lot. We didn't need to play Counts when we were up by 23, especially when we have Kirschner.


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I totally agree. What was accomplished by playing Counts??

 

[Fahque]

We’re trying to redshirt him, but at the same time you have to do what you do to give yourself the best opportunity to win.

My ass you're trying to redshirt him, you didn't have to play him but you did.


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[maroonandsilver]

Canada did not play in the second half. I'm guessing that hamstring is bothering him. Another reason to have Counts ready.