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GRIZ/Portland game thread
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DoubleNicks
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Agreed. I was impressed with a few things, though. Liked the fire from Reader and Tinks from the bench. Perimeter defense was pretty good, just need work on help collapsing on the inside. Also, hope Cherry stays aggressive and keeps taking it to the hole...I think that really was his defining/maturing moment last year against NAU when he was so aggressive offensively.grizindabox said:
GrizWhiz
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Just back from a very disappointing game. The Griz offensively were way off and that includes horrible 3 point shooting and especially free throw shooting. Somehow, someone who can contribute some points and quickness is going to have to step up in order to give Will a break. Stockton did nothing tonight and really hasn't all season. I think it is time to give Autrey some minutes. Wood still has not found his three point shot. I like his defense and hustle, but his three point shot looks terrible at this point. Portland smothered Qvale and gave the Griz three point opportunities. The strategy worked. The one highlight tonight (other than Will) was Reader. He knows what to do with the ball when inside and played tough tonight. Selvig was erratic. He hustled but really struggled otherwise. He did not provide much inside toughness or defense. Down the stretch, he tipped a ball in for Portland. This team has a way to go in terms of finding consistency. Coming off this performance, I am not optimistic the Griz can give UCLA any kind of game. 
BelierPeaux
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GrizWhiz said:Just back from a very disappointing game. The Griz offensively were way off and that includes horrible 3 point shooting and especially free throw shooting. Somehow, someone who can contribute some points and quickness is going to have to step up in order to give Will a break. Stockton did nothing tonight and really hasn't all season. I think it is time to give Autrey some minutes. Wood still has not found his three point shot. I like his defense and hustle, but his three point shot looks terrible at this point. Portland smothered Qvale and gave the Griz three point opportunities. The strategy worked. The one highlight tonight (other than Will) was Reader. He knows what to do with the ball when inside and played tough tonight. Selvig was erratic. He hustled but really struggled otherwise. He did not provide much inside toughness or defense. Down the stretch, he tipped a ball in for Portland. This team has a way to go in terms of finding consistency. Coming off this performance, I am not optimistic the Griz can give UCLA any kind of game.
Glad to hear about Billy. I was wondering how he looked live rather than just thinking he was doing great from the stats.
cupcake1234
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wow terrible game we got out coached from the start and can we please make a three. Jordan wood is terrible to play 31 mins a game, is there no time for adams and autry. Autry is better on defense i heard and adams given the chance i think can become a great shooter for us. Something just does not make sense and its really fishy. It is time to bench wood, if we have to pull wesiner out of his redshirt we need threes. Congrats to billy for a great game, its good to see the youngster coming up big for us. And will is doing a great job running this team, but it is going no where unless we make some serious changes to the lineups like starting steward. Another subject im worried about is the jamar kid why is not getting shots he one of are best perimeter players. we should of won but bring on the bruins Go Grizzzzzzz
I agree Reader was a nice surprise. It was nice to see a Griz player with some fire and enthusiasm and confidence. Him calling for the ball in the post and nailing the quick turnaround hook was sort of a surprise coming from a true freshman. It seems like we always have those quiet kind of "lead by example" kind of guys, which is good, but the crowd really seemed to respond to Reader's enthusiasm.
Maynardsgametrail
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cupcake1234 said:
How can you say we were outcoached when a team goes 8-20 from the stripe, and 2 for whatever from 3 land?
Do you really think starting Steward will improve our 3 ball ability?
C. Adams is not as good of a defender as Wood, and Autry is very inexperienced. Autry has lot of promise, but I dont think its his time yet. Have you even seen Autry play this season?
Wood is in a funk. Give him time. He is better than Staudacher................I know most of you will hate that, but he will be more beneficial to us down the road. He is a better defender, and he doesnt camp on the perimiter. Wood actually can be agressive and draw a foul.
cupcake1234
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How can you say autry in inexperienced when we have a freshmen like jamar starting. And are you serious about wood being better then staudacher wow know your basketball. Also look what happen tonight with coach going to reader he put up numbers. Maybe autry would have the same effect you never know. Adams hasnt been given a chance to show what he can do defensively what ive seen he has holded he's own. However with the threes being as poorly as they have been im willing to take a chance on inexperience and defense. For your commit on steward i guarantee he can shoot better then 3 for 19 on threes. And when he gets fouled he makes some of his free throws unlike what i have seen from wood. He just gives us more and has a lot of talent.
Evizzerate
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Was at the game. Pissed as well. TInks taking Reader out while he was on fire and had the crowd into it made no sense.
BelierPeaux
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Evizzerate said:
Was kinda wondering that, too? I hope the boy has earned himself some more minutes. When you have a guy shooting 100% from the floor I would think it's hard to take him out. Everything we have heard about him so far from the few practice reports and early games is that he is better than we expected and ready for big minutes right away.
PeauxRouge said:
It is SAD that UM is HORRIBLE at the easiest thing in basketball. This has gone on for quite a while now.
GrizLA said:
A program on the rise, you say? A 3-3 mediocre .500 squad? That is what is on the rise?
You are right on the product is not selling part, but that's because it's not a winner.
Better than usual? The Griz are worse than last year, by far (no Anthony Johnson).
You want butts in the seat, then I guess AT HOME you better hit more than 1-10 second half free throws, and hit better than 4-18 three pointers for the game. Anybody that hasn't played competitive basketball in 20 years could be blind-folded and still could hit more than 1-10 from the FREE THROW line! Yikes
Maynardsgametrail
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cupcake1234 said:
Ummmmmmm.......its pretty simple really. Jamar and Reader are ready. I believe, and trust, that Tinkle would play VA more if he believed he was ready. But good news for you! In the post game interview, Tinkle said VA and SS may get more minutes because Cherry needs a break. I have seen Autry play against LCS, and UI and, he didnt show much, and yes he did play a decent amount of minutes.......I do believe he will be a good one for us down the road. Again, have you seen VA play yet?
Yes, I believe that Wood will be more beneficial than Stauds. Woods D is far superior to Stauds. C'mon, you have to admit that when the opposing team played blanket perimeter D that Stauds was pretty much removed from the game, and the griz were reduced to a 4 on 5 game because he was such a one dimensional player on offense. But when Stauds was on, I absolutely loved him, but when he was off,or removed (by good D) from the game, all that was easy to forget. Stauds would have been a better off coming off the bench, so teams wouldnt have a game plan for him. Wood actually has the ball handling skills and the drive to take it to the hoop. I bet Stauds didnt even make it to the line 10 times last year. However, when your team makes it to the stripe 20 times and makes 8 it is a moot point, but wait, thats thats the coaches fault according to................well, I wont go to that area again.
Steward is not the answer to better 3pt shooting percentage. Have you noticed that AS likes to take it to the hoop? Steward is the answer to some suffocating D and when Kareem needs a breather. I am a big fan of Stewards game.
So, are you saying that you would go with a Qvale, Selvig, Cherry, Steward, and Jamar Lineup? It appears that is what you would go with. One gaurd? Or should we bench Jamar and go with a 3 gaurd look and insert VA, SS, or CA in the starting lineup. No we dont, because Wood is the best gaurd next to Cherry we have. The C,F,F,G,G look is just fine
We have been off on the 3 ball, chill, relax and do whatever it takes. Shooting teams have slumps. The Griz will dig themselves out of a shooting slump. Relax and be a cupcake.......1234??
On the bright side, the Griz shot like sh!t from the line and perimteter, and we still only lost by 4 to a pretty damn good team who plays in a damn good conference. Go Griz!!!!
mtgrizrule
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Taking a break to post after this game has not helped much. I am not upset the GRIZ lost, but why they lost. This loss is going to eat away at me all year. There is not a lot to add from this game than from previous games.
Once again, defense was great. Portland's high 1st half FG%, for the most part was more unbelievable hot shooting than bad defense. It is frustrating when any team gets in that kind of zone. It is even more frustrating as a player and coach. I just wish it were the GRIZ in that zone. Speaking of shooting, it is most definitely this team's downfall to date this year, and verging on a major liability. It is the ONLY reason we lost to Portland. The bright side is, Tinkle and players have to know this. Meaning, it is nice to know your weakness is only one thing. In past years, there have been a few more things that needed worked on. I expected inconsistency this year, but figured it would be more of execution and dumb mistakes. I did not expect it to be bad FT and perimeter shooting.
Speaking of shooting, what can be done? The obvious is a lot of practice, but that is hard to do or it takes away from preparation for opponents, but it has to be done. I really do hope the players take it upon themselves to work on this when free time presents itself. Based on what I have seen so far this year and have heard, there are a few things I feel can help during the game.
(1) Play Jamar more. His shot is as consistent as anyone's we have seen to date so far. He is solid at every aspect of the game, and has a great attitude. Shooting aside, this kid is good and certainly ready for the minutes. I wonder why he is not on the court more? He is a difference maker.
(2) Commit 10 or more minutes per game to Chase Adams and/or Autry unless Wood finds his game. As of right now, we honestly do not know what Adams or Autry can do in meaningful game time. We have to find this out before conference play anyway, with Wood struggling, this makes even more sense now. As for Wood, how much longer can Tinkle stick with him in hopes to let him shoot his way out of the slump, and find his stroke? I can see he is a solid player, but has limited ceiling. Tinkle has a very tough decision here. The last option is Weisner losing a redshirt, but he is not a guard and SF is not our problem, guard depth is right now. We are set at SF with Jamar and Steward. There is another possibility out there, I will touch on it later.
(3) I am not sure if this will make much sense, considering what our weakness is and the player I am going to reference is not a perimeter player, but can impact it. Once huge positive from the Portland game was getting to see what Reader is capable of doing, and my concern of Ward not matching up too well in the paint with decent size. I was impressed with Reader prior to the Portland game, but I am now officially sold on his game and upside. He has nice touch in the paint. He has good footwork, and is athletic for a BSC big man. Yes, he is a freshman, and likely will struggle at times, but it is time to find him 10 plus minutes every game and build this kid. It helps his cause when he also appears ready defensively and a good rebounder too. The only way to do this is to take some minutes from Ward, and get creative with Selvig, Jamar, and Steward, if our current guard depth, other than Cherry does not prove itself.
It is too soon to do this now, but consider it, and even experiment with it at opportune times. I would experiment with Jamar/Steward at SG, Selvig at SF, Reader at PF, and Qvale at C. I think Selvig is capable of playing SF in limited minutes, but only with Qvale and Reader on the court. Selvig is too valuable helping with rebounding and high post passing to use him as a perimeter player. There is no dropoff with Reader on the boards, and Selvig is a good passer regardless of where he is at on the court. I just do not want to see Selvig turn into a perimeter hanging big man. That drove me crazy with Hasquet. We did not have the supporting cast to have him out there as often as we did. Either way, commit to building Reader. It will payoff immensely!
Another concern of mine is PG depth. Tinkle admitted in his postgame interview he is concerned of playing Cherry too often. The 2nd half of the Portland game showed me Cherry is approaching the wall he is about to hit from too many minutes. Cherry, without doubt is an impact game changing player. He had very little left in his tank. His legs and energy were gone. It showed in the final 10 minutes of the game. His quickness lost a step defensively, his shot was flatter, etc. Hell, even a few times Portland guards got by him on the ball. That very seldom happens unless the player is an elite guard. We are used to Will making impact plays all game. I do not recall any impact plays from him in the closing minutes, which is not his fault, but a sign he is out of gas from the minutes.
Wood, Adams, and Stockton are solid, but not much room for drastic improvement. Autry has the most potential, and very highly regarded. I would commit to him being the sole PG behind Cherry. Rather it be minutes at SG or PG, we have to see what he can do, just like we are with Reader. We are struggling at SG. Once again, another move that makes sense, hopefully sooner than later. It is time to debut the Cherry and Autry show.
It will be interesting to see what Tinkle decides to do in terms of personnel and minutes to improve this team. He has many options at hand, but I am sold the best options are building Reader and Autry now, and sacrifice some minutes with likes of Ward and Wood. As a fan, that is tough for me to suggest though, I really do like Ward, but he has to be used against the right matchups. Too bad he is not quick enough to see a few minutes at SF, now and then. He has a solid mid range perimeter game. The Ward situation is the exact reason why I do not want to see Weisner as post option. He has to good of a perimeter game to be a post.
AS for UCLA, I do not know what to expect, but do feel Cherry, Selvig, Qvale, and Jamar will have an opportunity to get noticed. Collectively this team will truly find out who and what they are. What a better time to test Autry than this? It was the Washington game last year that Cherry was tested and we seen glimpses of his potential. Here is to hoping we can see the same glimpses of Autry and Reader from this game. I hope to see 7 plus minutes for Autry this game.
As for the Portland game, build it on it. Shooting can only get better. (I hope).
Once again, defense was great. Portland's high 1st half FG%, for the most part was more unbelievable hot shooting than bad defense. It is frustrating when any team gets in that kind of zone. It is even more frustrating as a player and coach. I just wish it were the GRIZ in that zone. Speaking of shooting, it is most definitely this team's downfall to date this year, and verging on a major liability. It is the ONLY reason we lost to Portland. The bright side is, Tinkle and players have to know this. Meaning, it is nice to know your weakness is only one thing. In past years, there have been a few more things that needed worked on. I expected inconsistency this year, but figured it would be more of execution and dumb mistakes. I did not expect it to be bad FT and perimeter shooting.
Speaking of shooting, what can be done? The obvious is a lot of practice, but that is hard to do or it takes away from preparation for opponents, but it has to be done. I really do hope the players take it upon themselves to work on this when free time presents itself. Based on what I have seen so far this year and have heard, there are a few things I feel can help during the game.
(1) Play Jamar more. His shot is as consistent as anyone's we have seen to date so far. He is solid at every aspect of the game, and has a great attitude. Shooting aside, this kid is good and certainly ready for the minutes. I wonder why he is not on the court more? He is a difference maker.
(2) Commit 10 or more minutes per game to Chase Adams and/or Autry unless Wood finds his game. As of right now, we honestly do not know what Adams or Autry can do in meaningful game time. We have to find this out before conference play anyway, with Wood struggling, this makes even more sense now. As for Wood, how much longer can Tinkle stick with him in hopes to let him shoot his way out of the slump, and find his stroke? I can see he is a solid player, but has limited ceiling. Tinkle has a very tough decision here. The last option is Weisner losing a redshirt, but he is not a guard and SF is not our problem, guard depth is right now. We are set at SF with Jamar and Steward. There is another possibility out there, I will touch on it later.
(3) I am not sure if this will make much sense, considering what our weakness is and the player I am going to reference is not a perimeter player, but can impact it. Once huge positive from the Portland game was getting to see what Reader is capable of doing, and my concern of Ward not matching up too well in the paint with decent size. I was impressed with Reader prior to the Portland game, but I am now officially sold on his game and upside. He has nice touch in the paint. He has good footwork, and is athletic for a BSC big man. Yes, he is a freshman, and likely will struggle at times, but it is time to find him 10 plus minutes every game and build this kid. It helps his cause when he also appears ready defensively and a good rebounder too. The only way to do this is to take some minutes from Ward, and get creative with Selvig, Jamar, and Steward, if our current guard depth, other than Cherry does not prove itself.
It is too soon to do this now, but consider it, and even experiment with it at opportune times. I would experiment with Jamar/Steward at SG, Selvig at SF, Reader at PF, and Qvale at C. I think Selvig is capable of playing SF in limited minutes, but only with Qvale and Reader on the court. Selvig is too valuable helping with rebounding and high post passing to use him as a perimeter player. There is no dropoff with Reader on the boards, and Selvig is a good passer regardless of where he is at on the court. I just do not want to see Selvig turn into a perimeter hanging big man. That drove me crazy with Hasquet. We did not have the supporting cast to have him out there as often as we did. Either way, commit to building Reader. It will payoff immensely!
Another concern of mine is PG depth. Tinkle admitted in his postgame interview he is concerned of playing Cherry too often. The 2nd half of the Portland game showed me Cherry is approaching the wall he is about to hit from too many minutes. Cherry, without doubt is an impact game changing player. He had very little left in his tank. His legs and energy were gone. It showed in the final 10 minutes of the game. His quickness lost a step defensively, his shot was flatter, etc. Hell, even a few times Portland guards got by him on the ball. That very seldom happens unless the player is an elite guard. We are used to Will making impact plays all game. I do not recall any impact plays from him in the closing minutes, which is not his fault, but a sign he is out of gas from the minutes.
Wood, Adams, and Stockton are solid, but not much room for drastic improvement. Autry has the most potential, and very highly regarded. I would commit to him being the sole PG behind Cherry. Rather it be minutes at SG or PG, we have to see what he can do, just like we are with Reader. We are struggling at SG. Once again, another move that makes sense, hopefully sooner than later. It is time to debut the Cherry and Autry show.
It will be interesting to see what Tinkle decides to do in terms of personnel and minutes to improve this team. He has many options at hand, but I am sold the best options are building Reader and Autry now, and sacrifice some minutes with likes of Ward and Wood. As a fan, that is tough for me to suggest though, I really do like Ward, but he has to be used against the right matchups. Too bad he is not quick enough to see a few minutes at SF, now and then. He has a solid mid range perimeter game. The Ward situation is the exact reason why I do not want to see Weisner as post option. He has to good of a perimeter game to be a post.
AS for UCLA, I do not know what to expect, but do feel Cherry, Selvig, Qvale, and Jamar will have an opportunity to get noticed. Collectively this team will truly find out who and what they are. What a better time to test Autry than this? It was the Washington game last year that Cherry was tested and we seen glimpses of his potential. Here is to hoping we can see the same glimpses of Autry and Reader from this game. I hope to see 7 plus minutes for Autry this game.
As for the Portland game, build it on it. Shooting can only get better. (I hope).
dancingbear
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One game does not make a season. Outside of the Nevada game we had opportunities to win all the other games. Don't forget we are very young. Tinkle and staff are evaluating different lineups. What you saw last night is not necessarily what we will see come conference time. I have to give Tinkle credit for the strides he has made as a coach and how he handles his players from his first year as the head man. I think the future of Griz BB is very bright. Just look at this years incoming class, incredible talent. Now it's up to the coaches to develop this talent. Like golf, FF shooting is 90% mental. In past years BQ was a liability at the line. Now he is a 75% shooter. WC was horrible at the line last year, this year he is much improved. We have all the pieces in place to make a run at the conference championship. It's easy to be critical at this point but being supportive is more of a positive gesture for our young team. Don't forget our players read these boards too.
BelierPeaux
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mtgrizrule said:
EXACTLY what I was thinking last night. One night a career doesn't make, but if Reader can continue that kind of play, I think that lineup could be an absolute nightmare for many teams. Only problem would be lack of a big 3-Point threat, but really, do we even have one now?
mtgrizrule
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PeauxRouge said:
Right now, Selvig looks like our best option shooting the 3, and he is not a consistent threat. Until we find some perimeter shooting from our perimeter players, this is a legit option Tinkle may have to explore. Defensively though, I am not so sure how well Selvig would do against smaller and quicker players. Then again, there is always zone, and gimmick defenses.
Either way, perimeter shooting is a huge obstacle that needs to be overcome or compensated for. The GRIZ have to figure out something, because it is the only major thing holding this team back.
Evizzerate
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Anybody at the game notice the difference in Portland's half time warmups and ours?
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