mthoopsfan
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In that comparison, Hauck beats Dakota schools and Vigen doesn’t. Not even a close call. Cats lose to Dakota schools at home too.
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5280Griz
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In the time frame you chose, past 24 months Hauck has a losing record against the Dakota schools.
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mthoopsfan
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I base my view on coaching ability.
mthoopsfan
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Show us the stats.
Grizfrom68
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I used those years for Hauck to show that he and Vigen have had very similar statistics as head coaches in their best years. I was trying to figure what Hoops was looking at for his statement to be fact.
Hauck’s past 5 seasons with Vigen in the league are as follows:
Overall record: 53-17
Conference record: 29-11
National Championship appearances: 1
The past 5 years have favored Vigen.
Hauck is great coach. At this point in time I don’t know who I would say is better and there is really not enough evidence/information to support one over the other.
Same thing with Coach Polaseck.
5280Griz
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Watch either of the games from this season if you are not sure if Hauck or Vigen is better. There is plenty of evidence and information to support one over the other. The game last weekend would be a great place to start as far as information goes. Then watch the one in Missoula this November and the one in Bozeman last year.
Grizfrom68
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I would say that you think/believe/feel that Coach Hauck is the better coach.
I laid out the numbers, like I have stated before I like Hauck and think he is a great coach.
Statistically I don’t feel as comfortable/confident in saying one of them is better than the other.
5280Griz
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D2 is D2. NDSU was one of the top teams in D2 but they were still D2. That would be like if we lost to CWU this season. They are one of the top teams currently in D2.
5280Griz
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I challenge hoops or anyone else here to layout which numbers from 2021-2025 (when both guys were coaching their current team) makes them believe Hauck is equal to or a better coach than Vigen? I will wait.
Grizfrom68
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I’ll pass this over for you and Hoops to layout the pros and cons of who is the better coach.
I will stick with my current position/view that they are both good coaches.
Grizfrom68
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Hauck is 3-2 against the Dakota schools the past two seasons.
Vigen is 1-2 against the Dakota schools.
5280Griz
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The time frame was past 24 months not the past 2 seasons which includes the chipper for the 2023 season in January 2024. It is 3 am so I wasn’t exactly correct. If you want to use being .500 against the Dakota schools and 0-3 against MSU as your data point that we are better than MSU that is not correct.
mthoopsfan
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No, I said 24 or so months not last 2 seasons. I wanted to include 2023 playoff games. You are providing dishonest stats. You can’t be trusted. The 2 NDSU playoff games in 2023 are very relevant. In fact, the Cat loss in the 2023 season to SDSU is relevant too. UM is way better over that period with Dakota schools. Even better with MV schools. That’s my whole point. In recent years, the Griz are beating Dakota and MV schools and the Cats aren’t. Everyone knows Cats are beating Griz.
5280Griz
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The only game from the 2023 season in the past 24 months was the championship where SDSU boatraced UM.
Grizfrom68
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I kinda see what you are saying, here are the results.
Over the past 730 days, the Cats would still be 1-2 against the Dakota schools. I you want to look at December 2023 through December 2025 then the Cats are 1-3 against the Dakotas.
In the past 730 days the Griz are 3-3 against the Dakotas. Looking from December 2023 through December 2025 the Griz are 4-3 against the Dakota schools.
If you want or feel the need to use statistics or historical records, you should probably take the time to check them.
With that being stated, I am still officially out of the debate about the best coach.
5280Griz
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The past 24 months goes back to December 25 2023 which doesn’t include the semis but let’s go over the game against NDSU that year anyway because hoops thinks that will make a substantial difference in the evaluation. Junior Bergen, a Choate commit, single handedly beat the worst NDSU team since 2009. He had a receiving touchdown, punt return touchdown and threw the 2 point conversion in overtime.
Grizfrom68
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I guess that I derailed the conversation.
I am still uncertain who is the better coach between Hauck, Vigen and Polasek.
They have all been very successful, and season to season one of them has been more successful than the other, within the sample size available.
George Wendt would still say that the best coach is “Ditka.”
For what it’s worth, I think Bobby 1.0 was better than Vigen but Vigen has a better than Bobby 2.0. 1.0 and 2.0 are not the same for multiple reasons I have outlined in previous posts and did not even include his age/desire to move up/point in life to want to make changes. For those that can’t tell which is better…… Any decent tie breaker in football goes to a head-to-head record before common opponents.
mthoopsfan
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I said “24 or so” months. I also looked at 27 months. I will later show how far off your lying stats are. Had I wanted to look only at 2 seasons or 2 years, I would have said that. You are dishonest and not to be trusted.
HikeGlacier
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Since December 2023 through December 2025, the Griz are 0-2 against the Cats, and that's all that matters.
