Griz football is over as we know it

[grizindabox]

Discussion over, AG1 has spoken

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

Many things are difficult at this time. Rape trial coming up, shity season, NCAA report, a random guy running around tagging "rape nation" around Missoula. Even with all of that, Griz football is not over.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Funny you guys attack a dude that has the balls to tell it like it is. Keep posting G this place needs more posters like you and less of the myopic sheep that go spelunking in PlaYA RaPes ass.

This class is pretty underwhelming but there may be a few hidden gems. I totally agree with the drop down comments........for the most part they are not worth the trouble. Bradshaw was fast as hell too and he did NOTHING at UM.

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G and Alpha may be negative but recruiting classes are like NFL drafts. It takes a couple of years to accurately determine the quality of the players. In any event, for 2013, the Griz will have another difficult year if they can't get good production out of the QB and Safety positions. Also, Mick Delaney has to "step up" and do the job! If these three areas don't improve, "signing day" enthusiasm is meaningless.

 

[speth]

Big G is truly an idiot and a coward. I'm sure he wouldn't state his phony views in downtown Missoula. But one of his ill-informed statements requires a response. He compared the Griz program to a top level FBS program stating that the FBS teams, I.e., Alabama, recruit depth at all positions each year. But this idiot doesn't apparently know that FCS schools don't have the same number of scholarships that Alabama has or the same recruiting budget. In addition, the Griz have fewer scholarships to offer this year than most years. I agree with most of the posters that the Griz had a very good recruiting class and that the staff appropriately addressed areas of need. I've always thought that it is better to have the stadium full even though that means that a number of idiots like Big G are there watching and making dumb comments that other fans need to listen to.

 

[Griz-O-Matic]

Many things are difficult at this time. Rape trial coming up, shity season, NCAA report, a random guy running around tagging "rape nation" around Missoula. Even with all of that, Griz football is not over.

Also, Beau Donaldson, Royce Engstrom, Brekke, and T-Rod are difficult. Still, even with all of that, Griz football is not over.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah sorry, just telling the truth. Not my first time, lol, either good or bad. So are you crying too, AZ?

Nope. Thrilled. We fixed every hole in the defense we had. The word "impenetrable" comes to mind.

And offensively we got a beast of a RB to take the load off of (still) relatively inexperienced QB's and a host of receivers who are tall, fast and can jump out of the gym. If the HC can learn some game management and with an OC who isn't mailing it in, and with all our difficult games at home, me thinks you'll see a return to Griz dominance and at WORST an 8-3 season, with the possibility of a 10-1 season. :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Ah... my fault for not reading whole post.

I dont see ALOT to get excited about in this class though. I wouldnt say the world is ending but who the hell in their right mind wants to come to UM with Engstrom here. I wouldnt advise my kids to do so if they had the chance atm. Nothing like a hostile University president who has created a toxic enviroment in the entire athletic department and the Missoula/Montana community to really draw in the recruits.

Your comments are absolutely retarded. This myopic world you live in where you seem to think that the whole world is waiting with baited breath to see what happens in JJ's rape trial, or the NCAA investigation, or the DOE investigation, or the DOJ investigation....

NEWSFLASH TO TOKYO: Very, very few people outside of the state of Montana have any fucking clue what's going on there. They sure as HELL don't look at Royce Engstrom and think "no way in hell I'm sending my kid THERE!" If you truly think that, you're delusional. YOU wouldn't advise your kids to go there because you're obsessed with your witch hunt. You're like the Will Ferrell character in Old School..."hey everybody!! We're going streaking!!" only to look behind you and there's NOBODY THERE.

Recruits see:

a) 25 years of unabated success at the FCS level with one hiccup
b) 15+ conference championships in a row
c) 7 NC appearances
d) 2 NC flags flying over the stadium
e) Packed stadium on game day with a rabid fan base
f) a terrific community with lots to do and plenty of places to have a good time

NONE of the other FCS teams West of the Mississippi can offer ANY of those, with the possible exception of (f). THAT'S what recruits care about. They don't read the Missoulian. They don't read egriz.

 

[Silvertip]

Is it safe to drive at night wearing rose-colored glasses?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Is it safe to drive at night wearing rose-colored glasses?

You referring to my comments?

 

[TxGriz]

Griz football is over as we know it

What this "WE" shit, Keemo Sabe?

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

Ah... my fault for not reading whole post.

I dont see ALOT to get excited about in this class though. I wouldnt say the world is ending but who the hell in their right mind wants to come to UM with Engstrom here. I wouldnt advise my kids to do so if they had the chance atm. Nothing like a hostile University president who has created a toxic enviroment in the entire athletic department and the Missoula/Montana community to really draw in the recruits.

Your comments are absolutely retarded. This myopic world you live in where you seem to think that the whole world is waiting with baited breath to see what happens in JJ's rape trial, or the NCAA investigation, or the DOE investigation, or the DOJ investigation....

NEWSFLASH TO TOKYO: Very, very few people outside of the state of Montana have any f***[*] clue what's going on there. They sure as HELL don't look at Royce Engstrom and think "no way in hell I'm sending my kid THERE!" If you truly think that, you're delusional. YOU wouldn't advise your kids to go there because you're obsessed with your witch hunt. You're like the Will Ferrell character in Old School..."hey everybody!! We're going streaking!!" only to look behind you and there's NOBODY THERE.

Recruits see:

a) 25 years of unabated success at the FCS level with one hiccup
b) 15+ conference championships in a row
c) 7 NC appearances
d) 2 NC flags flying over the stadium
e) Packed stadium on game day with a rabid fan base
f) a terrific community with lots to do and plenty of places to have a good time

NONE of the other FCS teams West of the Mississippi can offer ANY of those, with the possible exception of (f). THAT'S what recruits care about. They don't read the Missoulian. They don't read egriz.

I agree. Although, recruits and players do read egriz and the Missoulian.

If parents are concerned about getting their kids a great education in a safe environment, they'll send their kids to the University of Montana. The school is much bigger than Engstrom, Williams, or any other person. Great place to learn and a great community of people. It's why I love it and will always be proud to be an Alum. Good to see some of these fair weather bandwagon jumpers are jumping ship. It's your kids loss for going to an inferior school. Good riddance.

 

[BWahlberg]

And you guys wonder why nobody posts on this board. Grow up and learn to deal with other peoples opinions on various subjects. Just because the majority on this site think this class is good means diddley squat and objective look at things is quite refreshing and some of you should try it. I have never seen bigger homers than the people that post here.

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Big G - please explain why (in your opinion) this class sucks. You've said it's bad, we're clear on that. But you've not said why. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement.

Very average speed other than the transfer Van and Russell no game breakers anywhere else.. Not much size, 14 guys under 190lbs and not much diversity in regards to positions that we need. Ralston may be the best of the average players but after that its way down hill with academic problems, transfers and very marginal talent. Mayeb I should ask the question back to you Mr. Griz Football, why is this the best class ever and why are you so high on it. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement as well.

Slow to reply but thanks for calling me Mr Griz Football.

1. Van and Favors have excellent speed already as pointed out already by others.

2. Many of our other WRs/DBs that have been recruited are 4.5 or 4.6 guys - that's a pretty typical 40 time that is recruited to the UM over the years of Hauck and Pflu for many skill players, nothing new there.

3. To clarify I never called this the best recruiting class ever. In fact I've said a few times you cannot usually judge how good a class is for a few years. I have said I LIKE this class a lot though.

4. All of the "already enrolled/transfer" students address an immediate need. We lost 3 RBs to graduation (Nguyen/Walden/Moore), 2 to a position change (Kirsch/Hagfors), and 1 to leaving the team (Butler- rumored). We lost 2 WRs to graduation. We lost 1 safety to injury (Coogan) and don't lose any CBs but it was clear the defensive secondary was our weak spot last year.

5. As most should look at recruiting classes, this class will add depth in the next few years and it addresses spots that are thin in the ranks. We have 11 WRs on the active roster 6 of whom will be Juniors or Seniors. By 2015 that will reflect HUGE turnover, we needed to replenish the ranks for the future. We also have just 6 safeties (7 if you include Van Ackeren) and I think only 3 are full scholly guys, the ranks of safety are thin with experience and skill and this year we lose 2 to graduation. Same goes for corners, we've got 3 senior corners on the team this year and just 3 players currently on the team behind them. It's clear this recruiting class targeted the specific areas of NEED for the 2015/16/17 seasons.

6. 14 guys under 190... so? They's 17 and 18 year old kids, most of whom will red shirt and then probably work their way in for a few years. They've got time to grow and build strength. Looking at the Bobcats full list of recruits on their board they have 10 at or under 190 and 2 more at 195... they're practically right there as well.

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Making a blanket statement that this recruiting class is the end of the "Griz football as we know it" means absolutely nothing. As with all recruiting classes, probably more than 50% will wash out, leave, get hurt, or never step up. Their ranks will be beefed up by walk ons and transfers over the year and as we usually see somewhere around 8 to 10 will probably remain as players with significant playing time and of them 3 to 4 will probably be gamers. This group has some obvious guys that are going to need years worth of work to see if they're actually FCS/UM material - but all classes have that. Give it 2-3 years, this class has little to no bearing on the 2013 or 2014 teams, so just chill out and lets see how these kids develop and work their way in.

 

[BigPawzSharpClawz]

As for the original point of this post, just like too many people put way tooooo much stock in this class before the kids have even played a snap, too many people are way tooo negative about them. Being this post came from Growler or a Growler wannabe, I'm guessing the negativity is two-fold. Not enough "Hard-working" Montana kids and too many black players. It's easy to figure that out given the tone of the original post.

Bottom line on recruiting classes: The neggies like Alpha's and Growler's don't have a crystal ball and have no way of knowing if these kids are good or bad players anymore than more positive guys do like Brint and Payton. We'll know who's right in 2014 or 2015. Not any sooner.

Side note: Please show proof that the Griz signed a single player this year who was in academic trouble at another school. We'll all be waiting for that one.

Dont let the attention seeking idiots get under your skin. Unless I am mistaken, ALPHA is the same guy that claimed Henderson was going to transfer after the season (right?)...ignorant, racially bias, home cooking IDIOT!

Guranteed he didnt play anymore then I did.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Doss it matter if I played anymore than you did? (I did)

It is always awesome to see every idiot that posts here put their head in the sand and deny whats happining. Seriously you people could watch a video tape of OJ cutting his kracker wifes head off and follow up with a post about how just because there is video proof doesnt mean he should not get to suit up for your team until after the "legal process had played out". Its unreal.

The fact that we have no QB, very average coaching, players leaving, average talent coming in and none of that deters most of you from thinking we win it all just shows how fu*king football illiterate you are.


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[grizrgood]

And you guys wonder why nobody posts on this board. Grow up and learn to deal with other peoples opinions on various subjects. Just because the majority on this site think this class is good means diddley squat and objective look at things is quite refreshing and some of you should try it. I have never seen bigger homers than the people that post here.

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Big G - please explain why (in your opinion) this class sucks. You've said it's bad, we're clear on that. But you've not said why. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement.

Very average speed other than the transfer Van and Russell no game breakers anywhere else.. Not much size, 14 guys under 190lbs and not much diversity in regards to positions that we need. Ralston may be the best of the average players but after that its way down hill with academic problems, transfers and very marginal talent. Mayeb I should ask the question back to you Mr. Griz Football, why is this the best class ever and why are you so high on it. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement as well.

Slow to reply but thanks for calling me Mr Griz Football.

1. Van and Favors have excellent speed already as pointed out already by others.

2. Many of our other WRs/DBs that have been recruited are 4.5 or 4.6 guys - that's a pretty typical 40 time that is recruited to the UM over the years of Hauck and Pflu for many skill players, nothing new there.

3. To clarify I never called this the best recruiting class ever. In fact I've said a few times you cannot usually judge how good a class is for a few years. I have said I LIKE this class a lot though.

4. All of the "already enrolled/transfer" students address an immediate need. We lost 3 RBs to graduation (Nguyen/Walden/Moore), 2 to a position change (Kirsch/Hagfors), and 1 to leaving the team (Butler- rumored). We lost 2 WRs to graduation. We lost 1 safety to injury (Coogan) and don't lose any CBs but it was clear the defensive secondary was our weak spot last year.

5. As most should look at recruiting classes, this class will add depth in the next few years and it addresses spots that are thin in the ranks. We have 11 WRs on the active roster 6 of whom will be Juniors or Seniors. By 2015 that will reflect HUGE turnover, we needed to replenish the ranks for the future. We also have just 6 safeties (7 if you include Van Ackeren) and I think only 3 are full scholly guys, the ranks of safety are thin with experience and skill and this year we lose 2 to graduation. Same goes for corners, we've got 3 senior corners on the team this year and just 3 players currently on the team behind them. It's clear this recruiting class targeted the specific areas of NEED for the 2015/16/17 seasons.

6. 14 guys under 190... so? They's 17 and 18 year old kids, most of whom will red shirt and then probably work their way in for a few years. They've got time to grow and build strength. Looking at the Bobcats full list of recruits on their board they have 10 at or under 190 and 2 more at 195... they're practically right there as well.

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Making a blanket statement that this recruiting class is the end of the "Griz football as we know it" means absolutely nothing. As with all recruiting classes, probably more than 50% will wash out, leave, get hurt, or never step up. Their ranks will be beefed up by walk ons and transfers over the year and as we usually see somewhere around 8 to 10 will probably remain as players with significant playing time and of them 3 to 4 will probably be gamers. This group has some obvious guys that are going to need years worth of work to see if they're actually FCS/UM material - but all classes have that. Give it 2-3 years, this class has little to no bearing on the 2013 or 2014 teams, so just chill out and lets see how these kids develop and work their way in.

Winner

One can choose to look at the negative or positive, I choose positive. My plan, as many have stated, is to see how this class pans out. In the mean time I will continue to be as big of fan as I've been for the last 20 years. Big G, it seems to me like you are pissed about Griz football at the moment and want others to jump on your bandwagon and agree with you! I'm confused why you felt compelled to make such a doomsday statement on the Griz board to "a bunch of Griz homers" based on one class...... but to each their own I guess!? As a die hard Griz fan maybe my glasses are maroon colored but I'd rather be me than you!

 

[BWahlberg]

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Big G - please explain why (in your opinion) this class sucks. You've said it's bad, we're clear on that. But you've not said why. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement.

Very average speed other than the transfer Van and Russell no game breakers anywhere else.. Not much size, 14 guys under 190lbs and not much diversity in regards to positions that we need. Ralston may be the best of the average players but after that its way down hill with academic problems, transfers and very marginal talent. Mayeb I should ask the question back to you Mr. Griz Football, why is this the best class ever and why are you so high on it. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement as well.

Slow to reply but thanks for calling me Mr Griz Football.

1. Van and Favors have excellent speed already as pointed out already by others.

2. Many of our other WRs/DBs that have been recruited are 4.5 or 4.6 guys - that's a pretty typical 40 time that is recruited to the UM over the years of Hauck and Pflu for many skill players, nothing new there.

3. To clarify I never called this the best recruiting class ever. In fact I've said a few times you cannot usually judge how good a class is for a few years. I have said I LIKE this class a lot though.

4. All of the "already enrolled/transfer" students address an immediate need. We lost 3 RBs to graduation (Nguyen/Walden/Moore), 2 to a position change (Kirsch/Hagfors), and 1 to leaving the team (Butler- rumored). We lost 2 WRs to graduation. We lost 1 safety to injury (Coogan) and don't lose any CBs but it was clear the defensive secondary was our weak spot last year.

5. As most should look at recruiting classes, this class will add depth in the next few years and it addresses spots that are thin in the ranks. We have 11 WRs on the active roster 6 of whom will be Juniors or Seniors. By 2015 that will reflect HUGE turnover, we needed to replenish the ranks for the future. We also have just 6 safeties (7 if you include Van Ackeren) and I think only 3 are full scholly guys, the ranks of safety are thin with experience and skill and this year we lose 2 to graduation. Same goes for corners, we've got 3 senior corners on the team this year and just 3 players currently on the team behind them. It's clear this recruiting class targeted the specific areas of NEED for the 2015/16/17 seasons.

6. 14 guys under 190... so? They's 17 and 18 year old kids, most of whom will red shirt and then probably work their way in for a few years. They've got time to grow and build strength. Looking at the Bobcats full list of recruits on their board they have 10 at or under 190 and 2 more at 195... they're practically right there as well.

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Making a blanket statement that this recruiting class is the end of the "Griz football as we know it" means absolutely nothing. As with all recruiting classes, probably more than 50% will wash out, leave, get hurt, or never step up. Their ranks will be beefed up by walk ons and transfers over the year and as we usually see somewhere around 8 to 10 will probably remain as players with significant playing time and of them 3 to 4 will probably be gamers. This group has some obvious guys that are going to need years worth of work to see if they're actually FCS/UM material - but all classes have that. Give it 2-3 years, this class has little to no bearing on the 2013 or 2014 teams, so just chill out and lets see how these kids develop and work their way in.

Winner

One can choose to look at the negative or positive, I choose positive. My plan, as many have stated, is to see how this class pans out. In the mean time I will continue to be as big of fan as I've been for the last 20 years. Big G, it seems to me like you are pissed about Griz football at the moment and want others to jump on your bandwagon and agree with you! I'm confused why you felt compelled to make such a doomsday statement on the Griz board to "a bunch of Griz homers" based on one class...... but to each their own I guess!? As a die hard Griz fan maybe my glasses are maroon colored but I'd rather be me than you!

:thumb: word up GrizRGood

 

[grizatwork]

Doss it matter if I played anymore than you did? (I did)

It is always awesome to see every idiot that posts here put their head in the sand and deny whats happining. Seriously you people could watch a video tape of OJ cutting his kracker wifes head off and follow up with a post about how just because there is video proof doesnt mean he should not get to suit up for your team until after the "legal process had played out". Its unreal.

The fact that we have no QB, very average coaching, players leaving, average talent coming in and none of that deters most of you from thinking we win it all just shows how fu*king football illiterate you are.


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I am going to agree on much of what Alpha said. We have no proven QB. Coaching was average. We do have players leaving. I am not going to judge incoming talent, because time will do that. However, all of that sounds very similar to Pflugrad's first year. No one was extolling his excellent coaching. Hell, halfway through his second year, we were still calling JJ average. We had defections with Pflugrad too. I am hopeful this staff's second year is similar to the last staff's second year.

 

[BigPawzSharpClawz]

Doss it matter if I played anymore than you did? (I did)

It is always awesome to see every idiot that posts here put their head in the sand and deny whats happining. Seriously you people could watch a video tape of OJ cutting his kracker wifes head off and follow up with a post about how just because there is video proof doesnt mean he should not get to suit up for your team until after the "legal process had played out". Its unreal.

The fact that we have no QB, very average coaching, players leaving, average talent coming in and none of that deters most of you from thinking we win it all just shows how fu*king football illiterate you are.


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Yes it matters...because YOU dont have clue one. You wouldn't know average talent if you could buy it with your Wal-Mart cash card. You got a portion of this correct. Average coaching...last year. Be either apart of the solution or step aside!

Yes I choose to be optimistic; NOT negative nellie. Why because I back the GRIZ 100%
thick or thin; good or bad; trial or no trial
where you stand almighty Alpha?

 

[Special K]

Doss it matter if I played anymore than you did? (I did)

It is always awesome to see every idiot that posts here put their head in the sand and deny whats happining. Seriously you people could watch a video tape of OJ cutting his kracker wifes head off and follow up with a post about how just because there is video proof doesnt mean he should not get to suit up for your team until after the "legal process had played out". Its unreal.

The fact that we have no QB, very average coaching, players leaving, average talent coming in and none of that deters most of you from thinking we win it all just shows how fu*king football illiterate you are.


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I am going to agree on much of what Alpha said. We have no proven QB. Coaching was average. We do have players leaving. I am not going to judge incoming talent, because time will do that. However, all of that sounds very similar to Pflugrad's first year. No one was extolling his excellent coaching. Hell, halfway through his second year, we were still calling JJ average. We had defections with Pflugrad too. I am hopeful this staff's second year is similar to the last staff's second year.

Yes, our coaching is a major question mark. But I for one think that any offensive coordinator will be an improvement of the one we had last year. That guy showed why he could never keep his coaching job at any stop along the way.

I think our season all boils down to our QB situation. The rest of the team is very capable of playing at previous levels of excellence which we have enjoyed in the past.

 

[zirge]

My kids are grown up and have long since left college and many of you would have to put in a solid 20 year stint to attend as many games as I have since the 70's. I never said anything about jumping off a band wagon, I am still the same fan I have been for over 40 years. All I was doing was questioning the masses as to why they think this class of incredibly average recruits is "the best ever" or "very solid"? There is not one impact player that can come in and contribute right away unless somebody gets hurt. Last year Kidder and Holmes jumped in and never left. This year we got too many WR's still no QB and safety is still up in the air as far as I am concerned.

We have some drop downs and the percentages tell us they very rarely pan out, not to mention they have a quitter attitude and always think they are owed something because they played at an fbs school. There attitude and academics are why they are here in the first palce.

Bash away and name call me all you want, you guys are better at that then judging talent.

as i do not completely disagree with you especially on our qb situation with the speed players that were brought in this year. that was my question directly to the new wide receiver coach last wednesday, however, delaney specifically stated that there were several players that would play this year from this recruiting class that he believed would be ready and talented enough to step in such as:
Jamaal Anderson cb, treshawn favors rb, ryan mckinley cb, chris parker db, mike ralston te, marquin russell cb, conner strahm s/wr, travon van rb, kendrick van ackeren, s
of course changes can happen during the spring and early fall practice before the season........some do not show up like they did in high school and other show up that you never expected, but he believes we have immediate impact players in this recruiting class.