Griz football is over as we know it

[mtgrizrule]

My kids are grown up and have long since left college and many of you would have to put in a solid 20 year stint to attend as many games as I have since the 70's. I never said anything about jumping off a band wagon, I am still the same fan I have been for over 40 years. All I was doing was questioning the masses as to why they think this class of incredibly average recruits is "the best ever" or "very solid"? There is not one impact player that can come in and contribute right away unless somebody gets hurt. Last year Kidder and Holmes jumped in and never left. This year we got too many WR's still no QB and safety is still up in the air as far as I am concerned.

We have some drop downs and the percentages tell us they very rarely pan out, not to mention they have a quitter attitude and always think they are owed something because they played at an fbs school. There attitude and academics are why they are here in the first palce.

Bash away and name call me all you want, you guys are better at that then judging talent.

So says the poster on a class that has yet to take a collegiate snap. It is impossible to judge the value, or talent of any class for a few years. I am always excited for every new class. I think it is absurd and ridiculous to judge any class for a few years as a whole.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

I dont see ALOT to get excited about in this class though. I wouldnt say the world is ending but who the hell in their right mind wants to come to UM with Engstrom here. I wouldnt advise my kids to do so if they had the chance atm. Nothing like a hostile University president who has created a toxic enviroment in the entire athletic department and the Missoula/Montana community to really draw in the recruits.

Don't be ridiculous. My roots in MT are deep and my dedication to the university will never wane. I want both of my kids to attend UM, if either are so inclined. Engstrom has his faults, and may be gone in the near (or distant) future. That being said, the recruiting class looks pretty good given what has happened over the last few years, the university is about more than football, and I'll never abandon the university that was instrumental in shaping my adult life. Short-sighted whining does not help, and the Griz will do just fine.

 

[Big G]

And you guys wonder why nobody posts on this board. Grow up and learn to deal with other peoples opinions on various subjects. Just because the majority on this site think this class is good means diddley squat and objective look at things is quite refreshing and some of you should try it. I have never seen bigger homers than the people that post here.

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Big G - please explain why (in your opinion) this class sucks. You've said it's bad, we're clear on that. But you've not said why. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement.

Very average speed other than the transfer Van and Russell no game breakers anywhere else.. Not much size, 14 guys under 190lbs and not much diversity in regards to positions that we need. Ralston may be the best of the average players but after that its way down hill with academic problems, transfers and very marginal talent. Mayeb I should ask the question back to you Mr. Griz Football, why is this the best class ever and why are you so high on it. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement as well.

 

[Big G]

My kids are grown up and have long since left college and many of you would have to put in a solid 20 year stint to attend as many games as I have since the 70's. I never said anything about jumping off a band wagon, I am still the same fan I have been for over 40 years. All I was doing was questioning the masses as to why they think this class of incredibly average recruits is "the best ever" or "very solid"? There is not one impact player that can come in and contribute right away unless somebody gets hurt. Last year Kidder and Holmes jumped in and never left. This year we got too many WR's still no QB and safety is still up in the air as far as I am concerned.

We have some drop downs and the percentages tell us they very rarely pan out, not to mention they have a quitter attitude and always think they are owed something because they played at an fbs school. There attitude and academics are why they are here in the first palce.

Bash away and name call me all you want, you guys are better at that then judging talent.

So says the poster on a class that has yet to take a collegiate snap. It is impossible to judge the value, or talent of any class for a few years. I am always excited for every new class. I think it is absurd and ridiculous to judge any class for a few years as a whole.

Yet you are doing it.

Makes perfect sense though these guys will buy it.

 

[rgrizfan]

I read a lot on here and usually just laugh at most posts but today I just had to voice my opinion on this years recruiting class. Possibly the worst I can remember and I have been around quite awhile. I do not recall a UM recruiting class that is missing so many positions, that will add holes in the future not to mention lack of depth.

The once dominating football we came to expect year after year is over and ti may never come back.

Just look at the powerful Miami and Florida st programs they are done and have not been relevant for almost a decade. Look at the Bobcats they have gone 30 years whithout much success. We signed no game changers in this class but at least we have 23 wide receivers and nobody to throw them the damn ball.

Sad day in Griznation for those of us with our eyes and minds open.

I will just touch on the Florida State comment....12-2 last year...recruited 6 of the ESPN top 150 and 11 0f the ESPN top 300...and they are done and not relevant...hmmmm

 

[Griz66]

Interesting comments to say the least. Class overall looks pretty good but as some have said you never know how good any class is until they start playing and producing. I think the real big question is whether the coaching staff is capable of coaching these guys and the returnees up to be true winners. Huge mistakes were made by the coaching staff last year and cost us a minimum of three wins and maybe more. I still do not have a lot of confidence in the ability of a 70 year old HC who had a losing record at MT Western to bring us back to where we were. Let's give this recruiting class the benefit of the doubt for now and see what happens. It is certainly not the best ever nor is it the worst To my knowledge all of the recruits that we really had to get ended up signing and that says something right there. GO GRIZ

 

[gotgame75]

And you guys wonder why nobody posts on this board. Grow up and learn to deal with other peoples opinions on various subjects. Just because the majority on this site think this class is good means diddley squat and objective look at things is quite refreshing and some of you should try it. I have never seen bigger homers than the people that post here.

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Big G - please explain why (in your opinion) this class sucks. You've said it's bad, we're clear on that. But you've not said why. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement.

Very average speed other than the transfer Van and Russell no game breakers anywhere else.. Not much size, 14 guys under 190lbs and not much diversity in regards to positions that we need. Ralston may be the best of the average players but after that its way down hill with academic problems, transfers and very marginal talent. Mayeb I should ask the question back to you Mr. Griz Football, why is this the best class ever and why are you so high on it. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement as well.

Well then I guess you consider Treshawn Favors' 4.35 40 "very average" and a non-gamebreaker??? Reigning back-to-back champs NDSU would beg to differ as Favors was their top RB recruit. Among Van, Russell, and Favors, that kind of speed is rare in recruiting at the FCS level. Rarely do teams at our level get 3 recruits in one class with this kind of ability. This coaching staff has left a lot to be desired but recruiting has been one area that's been a pleasant surprise.

I think we can all agree that NDSU's program at present is something to aspire to. Well then, we out recruited them on the heels of our worst season in almost 30 years for not only Favors, but also Ryan McKinley, who was their top CB recruit. I'll take these results as evidence of the strength of this class over the evaluation of some armchair quarterback with less than a 100 posts.

 

[grizindabox]

And you guys wonder why nobody posts on this board. Grow up and learn to deal with other peoples opinions on various subjects. Just because the majority on this site think this class is good means diddley squat and objective look at things is quite refreshing and some of you should try it. I have never seen bigger homers than the people that post here.

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Big G - please explain why (in your opinion) this class sucks. You've said it's bad, we're clear on that. But you've not said why. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement.

Very average speed other than the transfer Van and Russell no game breakers anywhere else.. Not much size, 14 guys under 190lbs and not much diversity in regards to positions that we need. Ralston may be the best of the average players but after that its way down hill with academic problems, transfers and very marginal talent. Mayeb I should ask the question back to you Mr. Griz Football, why is this the best class ever and why are you so high on it. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement as well.

Because Treshawn Favors 4.35 clocked 40 time is slow?

 

[Big G]

And you guys wonder why nobody posts on this board. Grow up and learn to deal with other peoples opinions on various subjects. Just because the majority on this site think this class is good means diddley squat and objective look at things is quite refreshing and some of you should try it. I have never seen bigger homers than the people that post here.

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Big G - please explain why (in your opinion) this class sucks. You've said it's bad, we're clear on that. But you've not said why. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement.

Very average speed other than the transfer Van and Russell no game breakers anywhere else.. Not much size, 14 guys under 190lbs and not much diversity in regards to positions that we need. Ralston may be the best of the average players but after that its way down hill with academic problems, transfers and very marginal talent. Mayeb I should ask the question back to you Mr. Griz Football, why is this the best class ever and why are you so high on it. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement as well.

Because Treshawn Favors 4.35 clocked 40 time is slow?

Opps, Favors is who I meant to type not Van, my mistake.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Well Van is pretty dang fast too...

 

[grizfan95]

And you guys wonder why nobody posts on this board. Grow up and learn to deal with other peoples opinions on various subjects. Just because the majority on this site think this class is good means diddley squat and objective look at things is quite refreshing and some of you should try it. I have never seen bigger homers than the people that post here.

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Big G - please explain why (in your opinion) this class sucks. You've said it's bad, we're clear on that. But you've not said why. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement.

Very average speed other than the transfer Van and Russell no game breakers anywhere else.. Not much size, 14 guys under 190lbs and not much diversity in regards to positions that we need. Ralston may be the best of the average players but after that its way down hill with academic problems, transfers and very marginal talent. Mayeb I should ask the question back to you Mr. Griz Football, why is this the best class ever and why are you so high on it. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement as well.

So NDSU was idiotic too for having Favors as their #1 RB prospect?

 

[Copper Griz]

Ah... my fault for not reading whole post.

I dont see ALOT to get excited about in this class though. I wouldnt say the world is ending but who the hell in their right mind wants to come to UM with Engstrom here. I wouldnt advise my kids to do so if they had the chance atm. Nothing like a hostile University president who has created a toxic enviroment in the entire athletic department and the Missoula/Montana community to really draw in the recruits.

This whole thread is hilarious "especially the title and ridiculous hypothesis by G. I think he is a troll and have to agree with Raider and AZ. On a positive note - good to see you back on the board Tokyo. I do not recall having seen a post from you in some time. BTW - Valentines Day is coming up. Royce could use some chocolate and a big teddy bear.

 

[grizfan95]

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Big G - please explain why (in your opinion) this class sucks. You've said it's bad, we're clear on that. But you've not said why. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement.

Very average speed other than the transfer Van and Russell no game breakers anywhere else.. Not much size, 14 guys under 190lbs and not much diversity in regards to positions that we need. Ralston may be the best of the average players but after that its way down hill with academic problems, transfers and very marginal talent. Mayeb I should ask the question back to you Mr. Griz Football, why is this the best class ever and why are you so high on it. I'd be interested to hear some logic behind your statement as well.

Because Treshawn Favors 4.35 clocked 40 time is slow?

Opps, Favors is who I meant to type not Van, my mistake.

So Florida was idiotic for recruiting Van as a 4-star RB?

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Funny you guys attack a dude that has the balls to tell it like it is. Keep posting G this place needs more posters like you and less of the myopic sheep that go spelunking in PlaYA RaPes ass.

This class is pretty underwhelming but there may be a few hidden gems. I totally agree with the drop down comments........for the most part they are not worth the trouble. Bradshaw was fast as hell too and he did NOTHING at UM.

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[Grisly Fan]

Strahm is not a hidden gem. He is the Oregon 6A defensive player of the year. Colt Lyerla was the 5A (one level lower) offensive POTY last year. Maybe in Montana that doesn't mean much but here in Oregon it does. Whatever he lacks in speed or size he more than makes up for in talent. Wait, you'll see...

 

[George Ferguson]

Alpha, once again you confuse me, but that's the way you like it I guess. Sticking up for Growler on here but bitching him out on your message board. As for the original point of this post, just like too many people put way tooooo much stock in this class before the kids have even played a snap, too many people are way tooo negative about them. Being this post came from Growler or a Growler wannabe, I'm guessing the negativity is two-fold. Not enough "Hard-working" Montana kids and too many black players. It's easy to figure that out given the tone of the original post.

Bottom line on recruiting classes: The neggies like Alpha's and Growler's don't have a crystal ball and have no way of knowing if these kids are good or bad players anymore than more positive guys do like Brint and Payton. We'll know who's right in 2014 or 2015. Not any sooner.

Side note: Please show proof that the Griz signed a single player this year who was in academic trouble at another school. We'll all be waiting for that one.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Jamaal Anderson, CB, 5-11, 180, So., JC, Fontana, Calif. (San Bernardino Valley College): Jamal is currently enrolled at Montana and expected to participate in spring football...he was an all-conference selection at cornerback as a freshman in 2011 at San Bernardino Valley College, and was also an all-conference pick as a punt returner there...he was an outstanding prep athlete at Summit High School in Fontana. Quoting Head Coach Mick Delaney: "Jamaal is a young man who we recruited out of high school, and things didn't work out for him academically, so he went to a junior college. He called during the fall and asked if he could come back and said that he just loved U of M and wanted to come here and play. We are just tremendously excited to have Jamaal in the Griz program."

 

[George Ferguson]

OK, one of 24. The original poster stated "too many"

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

OK, one of 24. The original poster stated "too many"

Im not going to check but didnt Van have academic problems at Marshal?

 

[grizfan95]

OK, one of 24. The original poster stated "too many"

Im not going to check but didnt Van have academic problems at Marshal?

Just as many problems as you have spelling Marshall correctly. Joking aside, this class has a lot of upside. And honestly, the position that we most desperately need filled is still vacant for the time being. We fill that with talent, this team could be going places.